Pretty F-ed up

[Derek R.]

I'm not out to mock anyone's belief structure here, but someone sent me this and it seemed pretty f-ed up for lack of better words. This is a serious track and not a joke. Of course, we all know this could never happen because Hot poorly drawn chicks don't sit around playing D&D.

Those with bad Hearts and love for Gaming should not Click (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp)



Anyone as messed up in the head as these kids shouldn't be doing anything. I mean anything! Not eating, Drinking, Sleeping, Talking or owning pets. Maybe in the 80's everyone who Gamed was a Madman out to commit suicide because of a storybook character, but nowadays most of us are just overweight fanboys who would rather spend our hard-earned money on books and pewter figures then Dates that lead to casual, meaningless Sex like most of society. What do you think?

[Dante]

Chick is an idiot, that's all I can say. I've seen his other tracts, and they're all as full of crap as he is.

What scares me isn't that he *thinks* they're effective, but that there are people out there wh might actually buy into it.

[DungeonMaster+5+5]

I for one agree with Chick. That Dark Dungeons game is clearly a tool of satan, anything that lets the DM declare your character dead with no saving throw must not be of God. Oh well, that's 1st edition for you.

[Squishy Cheeks]

Friends don't let friends read crappy propoganda. pft 8th level ready to learn dark magics? HA in my group you need to be at least level 15 to be taken seriously.

[Ranson]

I had a friend who's parents were actually convinced of the "evils" of gaming by that particular tract. I recommend the wonderful articles referenced here (http://www.rpgstudies.net/#2) as good defenses against such idiocy. It's also a good index of such attacks on our lifestyle. Some of them are readable online . . . I recommend articles by Michael Stackpole.

[Batman]

I really wish a table top game would give me the power of Satan. According to my aunt,my Magic cards make me Lucifer himself.

[DungeonMaster+5+5]

Wait, you mean magic cards don't really have magic? *throws away deck*

[GraphicAngel]

My brain hurts....

You're positive this is serious?

[Dona Maria]

*AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA* my god, that was the funniest thing i've ever seen! I'm going to take it to kinko's and have a poster made, seriously. i love those "if your child uses his imagination, it is the work of the devil!" the only scary part is people think its true (ie what happened to the harry potter books in the South). i dont play any table top, but seeing how people react i want to move to Salt Lake and set up a D&D group. we'll meet in parks where small children play. anybody with me?

[GatoFiero]

Um, Mormons are survivalists. If they think your threatening their kids then they'll shoot your ass and say a prayer of forgiveness.

[Dona Maria]

doesn't bother me in the slightest. hell, i'll buzz my hair and wear a black triangle on my neck just to seal the deal.

[Exploding Ostrich]

If not for the little details like the fact is was purchaseable on its own, I woulda thought that strip was some sort of bad joke. Now I just want to kill that bastard.

[GatoFiero]

We should send this thread to the site that posted that comic, and the guy made it.

And as for d&d being satan's game, what about paladins? They're pro God arn't they?

[VeritasHertz]

I don't know about your paladins, but mine rape kittens.

It's okay, the kittens deserved it, they were dressing sexy like and all, it's their fault. Now where is my Book of Vile Darkness? Ah yes, onto the finer points of cooking and devouring souls.

[Tenjin Matsukaru]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! ok im cool now. Well then the creator of this site was surely a religious crackpot. I really couldn't care less either way although sites like this are really good if you feel like laughing your ass off at something (I say this only because I am agnostic and I am free to do so without some almighty deity givimg me a good smiting). I reckon if we sent this forum in several of us (me included) would have mormons taking hatchets to our computers while we sleep and notes on our desks reading "YOU ARE NO LONGER ENTITLED TO AN OPINION!"

[GatoFiero]

I now have an offical rebuttal. I even suspect that most of you have seen it before: The Rebuttal (http://www.cybermoonstudios.com/8bitDandD.html)

[Dante]

I did. It's still hilarious. You might want to look for Just Drieux's essay on D&D as well.

[Derek R.]

Now now now...no need to kill the guy. That sort of...proves his point. Put the kitten down!

[Muffin Mage]

What we need to do is sacrifice a few squirrels to the pagan god of natural 20s, then send the tape to the 700 Club.

[Minkus]

While it's been said before, I think that guy's a mindless zealot. I'm a Christian, proud to be one (note Avatar), but that was just offensive. Not from the whole DnD viewpoint, not the Satan is taking over your lives things, but from his ignorance. This is my personal thoughts on the matter, and they will be from a Christian view, so if you're Satanic or what-not, take it with a healthy dose of salt.

1) The first two panels, when read with the proper accents, can be said in an entirely joking manner. Like calling a half-orc a wise sage, it's hard to take seriously. Calling someone by their class if...uncommon, in my experience.

2) That gaming table is remarkably clean. Only a few cans, the map, minis, and the DM scrren. No dice, no character sheets, no chips/pizza, just one guy reading a little pamphlet.

3) Not a serious rebuttla for #3, but look at panel #6. What kinda face is that? The artist obviously has some talent, what's with the hag?

4) "I can't, I'm fighting the Zombie, tell her I'll see her later tonight." Without a DM? Granted the DM is on the phone, but she's playing by herself, it looks like.

5) "Ever since her character in the game got killed, it's as though a part of her died." Wish my mom knew what was happening to my chars. Fairly unrealistic that the mother would associate it ONLY with her gmae getting a bump.

6) Siucide note. "It's my fault Black Leaf." Obviously. With a DM that mean, take a step and you die. "I can't face life alone!" If, in fact, she felt completely alone, how the hell did she find a 7-person strong gaming group?

7) Mike. The dude with the letter jacket. I have a lot of friends who are deep in their faith, and none of them fast in conjunction with prayer. Fasting shows devotion, true, but none of them do that. Pray every day, write devotions and have very good insights, but not a one fasts.

8) The speaker, although much of his ideas are valid and easily checked in the Bible, goes a bit far with the burning/exorcism. He's a zealot then. And then he can become a terrorist, because he'll do stupid things for political/social/religious views. Also, he doesn't gear his words toward youths. About minutes into his speech, most kids "Debbie" and "Mike"'s ages will have zoned out completely.

10) The exorcism doesn't accurately portray evil spirits. If, remember the Christian aspect of this post, Satan was once second in command of the universe, right below God, then he's not going to be some little cloaked figure or a dragon. He's going to look big, beautiful and glorious. After all, posing as an agel of light will get him the best reaction, most people would be slightly unsettled if the Grim Reaper started trying to convince them of some menial thing, much less the destination of their souls. And his "demons" are actually former angels. Meaning they ain't stupid little thief-looking things either.

11) Adding all these up I find one fairly recurrent idea. This guy did little, if any research. There you are, the whole point of this post was to show how little this guy actually knows. Now I feel big. :)

[CelesJessa]

I had to add my own little comment here. Okay, if someone would get into the game that much... I doubt it was D&D's fault, I mean, that person has got to honostly have some problems before hand.

And how often does a game get THAT serious? I've played a fair share of my D&D games and I have never seen it be really serious. They look rather somber to be playing D&D. I mean, when I play D&D, it's hard to talk over my friends to keep the game going. And when we do play the game, nobody takes anything seriously. I mean, my character died from doing something really stupid, I didn't cry and get shunned by my friends because "I don't exist anymore".

And burn your occult paraphernalia?
Like rock music? Okay, so now, not only will D&D lead me straight down the path of destruction, but somehow listening to certain music will cause me to join the occult? Excuse me, but I haven't heard a song yet that has moved me to want to sell my soul to satan.

And why are a bunch of parents seemingly at this meeting. It doesn't look like anything he's talking about would really be something they're having problems with.

And that's a hell of a lot of D&D stuff, charms, and rock music CDs to make a bonfire that big. So... burning figurines, blank boards, character sheets, CDs, charms, etc, is going to save them how?

Man... I really wanna e-mail this loser that wrote the article and this comic... >_< They are the ones who need to reflect.
*shakes head* I mean, I'm a Christian too, but I honostly don't see how this stuff is directly linked to satan.

[Squishy Cheeks]

"Yo God, it's Kevin. Yeah I was reading some stuff the other day by a baptist zealot. Same problem as usual. It's these nuts that make it hard to profess my faith. Everytime I have to deal with one of them I begin to question your judgement. I mean come on dude. You on your own are cool. I'm down with you. But some of your followers need to take their head out of their asses. Keep up the good work."

[Forever Zero]

These zealots really are an embarassment to average, everyday Christians. Anyone can take anything out of context and warp it into what they want it to say, but that doesn't make it true. I consider myself a Christian, but with these lunatics running around, accusing everyone of being doomed unless they subscribe to their specific view of what God meant in the bible, and accusing everyone else with an opinion of trying to lead Christians to satanism, it really just makes me angry at them.

On a humerous note, a Captain SNES comic gives its opinion on Jack T. Chick...

[Derek R.]

That picture rocks! Kudos!

[Squishy Cheeks]

funny parody (http://www.howardhallis.com/bis/cthulhuchick/)

[Muffin Mage]

I thik that we should ignore all these zealots. Because, after all, trying to convince a fanatic of something that is not directly in his belief structure is like trying to force-feed someone a plum pudding...
...through a mountain range.

[Derek R.]

But it would be worth it! Being Plum pudding and all

[AndyBloodredMage]

omg these nuts piss me off so much. they say anyone with an imagination is doomed to go to hell. yet, their very priests rape young boys. and they still go after dnd. seems to me their priorities are out of whack.

[natowarhead]

Um, Mormons are survivalists. If they think your threatening their kids then they'll shoot your ass and say a prayer of forgiveness

really? i have yet to see this, seeing how i'm LDS (aka- mormon), play d&d, M:TG, and listen to metal...

but i can see your point. a few years ago, my parents took the family on a "vacation" to utah. even though i was one of the majority there, missionaries were constantly approaching me and asking if i accepted christ as my savior. my gosh it makes me angry to see zealots of any religion (including you too Chick) spreading propoganda.

i need the hard stuff to calm my nerves. *reaches for the diet, caffine free pepsi*

[Jigen34]

I like how he had that list of all those killers and kids who killed who all played D&D. I bet all those people ate food too, and breathed.

[Muffin Mage]

Did you read any of his other tracts? They're hilarious! There's one where he says that the catholic Church is the cat's paw of Satan, and another where he says that Hitler was a Jesuit (never mind the 500,000 Catholics that he killed), and another where he says that Halloween is Satan's birthday (it's the day before All Saint's Day, actually), and another where he ...

And so forth and so on. I personally see a pattern, don't you?

[Dante]

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[Muffin Mage]

Heheheheheh. That's worth a cookie. Or fifteen.

[cruelty13]

And I thought it was a joke or something like that. Now I realise, that dumb people are really common in this world.

[Squishy Cheeks]

welcome to enlightenment cruelty. Now all you need to do is figure out how to exploit their stupidity.

[Derek R.]

Oh I'm sure places like where Chick comes from can teach you how to do that JADguy. Exploiting stupidity is what they do best.