Albannar Discussion Thread

[Kamifuko]

The sign up thread has too many posts. Post here if you wish to discuss anything that you guys want to about the rp. Just no spamming.
Edit:If any people who want to sign up late, then they should post their character here instead of the sign up thread.

[IHateMakingNames]

Questions for Kamifuko.

1) Is it any religious/holy item that hurts vampires? That really doesn't make much sense. The priest of the Goddess of Kindness and Love beat off a vampire with a holy item, then later the same vampire is beaten off by the preist of the God of Death and Evil.

Vampires originally are only weak against holy items because they are a bane/evil made by the devil.

2) Vampire shape shifting, yes or no?

Also,

a normal cloak won't help, not unless it covers every inch of your skin, and shades your eyes.......and any time a stray sunbeam slanted into your eyes, they would burn up........this is why vamps usually stay indoors during the day.

Cloak lined with leather on the inside, hood, leather clothing beneath that. Very little light will get through. That, and my vampire is 2584 years old (Around that), he can look at a stray beam of light in the eye and it won't burn, just hurt (Since he will then instantly move his head).

[Kamifuko]

1) Yes, but it depends.
and "holy person" is the wrong term, as I just showed (too vague, basically).......a cleric of the appropriate deity is necessy for the holy symbol, and a follower of the appropriate deity for the Holy Weapon, but anyone can use holy water. Garlic must be injested or smeared onto a weapon to actually hurt/kill a vampire, but they won't willingly approach it.

and there is NO Catholic church in this world, and there are MANY good religions which fulfill the functions of such a church, which doesn't change anything as I have just showed you....
I think that DB covered it pretty well. :)

2) Still not entirely sure...sorry, I'm trying to think about it. :(

[Dragonsbane]

lets put it this way.........sunlight on vampire skin is like a match on oil, only you dissolve into dust instead of exploding.......

also, I already explained how that works in an earlier post........an evil cleric's Unholy Weapon (if they're evil, it's unholy......lets just keep things simple) might not affect a vampire the same way because it isn't a Holy weapon (don't get into semantics here, I'm using these terms for simplicity only. For all intents and purposes, anything sacred to an evil being is Unholy, and anything sacred to a good being is Holy). This is also why their holy symbols have a different effect.

[edit] if it's just a bat or a wolf, then I'm fine with it.......neither is particularly twinked, and neither is a good idea during the day (fur doesn't count as clothing, and won't protect you from the sun)

the real issue might be whether or not vampires can fly....

[IHateMakingNames]

1) How does that explain why many different religions all see one type of vampire as an evil/bane? Using the real world, a Catholic vampire isn't going to be affected by anything a Buddist does, or a Muslim, or some other religions.

2) Just say yes.


Edit - It doesn't reach his skin, that is the point. That, and the sunlight weakness gets weaker and weaker as the vampire gets older.

[QueenQeeko]

What's like who on the sacred what now?

[Kamifuko]

What's like who on the sacred what now?
You might not really get it unless you read the sign up thread...this is turning into a debating thread. :eek:

[Dragonsbane]

look, this isn't the real world! And only having one specific kind of person who can kill you is godmoding, whether you realize that or not. The monotheistic nature of real-life religions is why this isn't such a problem in real life (besides the fact that vampires, if they do exist, are very very rare). This world (in the RP) has MANY religions, and there's no way that only one of them can kill your particular type of vampire.

[edit] IHMN, then you may have to reduce your age.......negating your greatest weakness is also godmoding.

[QueenQeeko]

Shall I go back and read it? I'm all for descussing vampires but I also am trying to get Dragonsbane's attention.

[Dragonsbane]

what for, QQ?

[Kamifuko]

You can look if you want. The thing is that vampire is a race in the rp, and they're debating about it.

[Forever Zero]

On vampire shapeshifting, when they turn into a creature their weakness to sunlight generally doesn't seem to matter anymore. So a shapeshifted vampire could survive during the day in Wolf or Bat form, then travel at night in human form.

And as to Vampiric flight, I would say yes. Many vampire myths allow flight in some form or another.

[IHateMakingNames]

look, this isn't the real world!

Example. That was an example.

And only having one specific kind of person who can kill you is godmoding, whether you realize that or not. The monotheistic nature of real-life religions is why this isn't such a problem in real life (besides the fact that vampires, if they do exist, are very very rare).

Then let it be the main stream religion. Then it's a majority.

This world (in the RP) has MANY religions, and there's no way that only one of them can kill your particular type of vampire.

Some religions overlap (Like Catholic and Jewish), but half of those MANY religions should not be holy against vampires since they have different beliefs, stories, back grounds, and dieties.

[Royalspork]

Are you guys going to post in the rp itself this is a rp dicussion thread, right?

[Kamifuko]

Yeah, but I think that they want to make sure that they have everything in control before they join? :(

[Forever Zero]

Yes. We don't want problems popping up halfway through the RP killing it, so all the problems get worked out now. Most RPs work this way.

[Dragonsbane]

there IS no main stream religion..........in order to allow for religious diversity, so people won't be tempted to choose one faith over another for the wrong reasons....

I checked my sources, I was wrong about the shapeshifting; I found a case of a vampire who shifted into wolf form in order to leave a cave during the day to attack someone passing by.......

Half of these many religions are evil, and thus haven't much power beyond the "command vampires to a limited degree using a holy symbol" thing.....

on a side note, there are ways beyond what IHMN calls "Holy Shit" to kill vamps......

fire (does lots of damage to vamps, they can't regenerate from it, and need healing spells to recover), decapitation, stake-through-the-heart, sunlight, magical weapons (don't do as much damage as holy weapons, but can still hurt vampires), and magic

[IHateMakingNames]

Kami, you really need to put your input into this...

And DB... Ugh... So, you think that every single religion has some sort of power over a disease?

And really, if vampirism is just a disease as stated in the sign up, then holy items/weapons should do nothing to a vampire. I will glady drop the holy crap for another weakness.


Edit - Fire is not a weakness. Fire is a weakness to undead. These vampires are not undead as previously stated. And magic weapons/magic hurt anything...

[Kamifuko]

I guess you didn't notice, I'm trying my best to remain neutral.

[Royalspork]

I think that IHMN character is fine as it is, it really only matters if we are against each other or if IHMN is a ruthless character and it doesn't look like he is so just go with it.

[Dante]

IHMN, if you want the advantages of the vampiric state, you'll jolly well have to pay for them in the form of weaknesses. That is, unless you want to go all godmoddy like Deamon did way back in the days when dinosaurs ruled the earth. Remember, characters are defined by their weaknesses, not their strengths.

DB, once is enough. There's no bloody need to keep reiterating the "religion/fire/whathaveyou" if IHMN doesn't want to listen.

[IHateMakingNames]

Let us compare.

Strenghts -

Stronger and faster then non vampire version of self.
Faster regeneration with blood.
Shape shifting(?)
Mesmorize with eyes X amount of times.

Weaknesses -

Sunlight (Big one)
Garlic is a poison
Holy stuff hurts extra.
There was something else, but I forgot.

So, it's either 4v3, 3v3, or 4v4. And the mesmorize thing is a pretty weak advantage anyway...

Beyond that, a vampire is just like a normal person (Minus the aging). You can still hurt them any way you can hurt anyone else, just they heal faster and take a bit more to die.

All I want to do is either remove the holy weakness and replace it with something else, or have it make sense and not have every single religious item hurt a vampire.


Also, you do realize as 'god moddy' you think my character is, bm_girl's is worse? My guy is just a vampire with a bow, she is a vampire with magic. Sure, she has that cloak thing, but she can just take it off.

[Kamifuko]

I've decided. Vampires can shapeshift. Into bats, or whatever it is they turn into. Please don't take advantage of my lack of vampire knowledge by saying that they turn into dragons or something like that...about the weaknesses, IHMN, if someone can PM me with a suitable weakness to replace the holy weakness; I'll consider it.
Edit: the first one to say "I hit you with the holy hand gernade, blargh you are dead" must be killed Lol, if someone posts that, I'll kill them off.

[Royalspork]

the first one to say "I hit you with the holy hand gernade, blargh you are dead" must be killed

[IHateMakingNames]

Can obsessive compulsive disorder be a vampire weakness (To replace holy stuff)? It's a pretty bad one. Example, if you throw salt at them, they will force themselves to count every single piece of salt or else it will annoy them to no end.

And if some one wants to bitch about the holy thing not hurting vampires anymore, don't you think it would be much easier to just rub some garlic on your sword then to become a religious follower and get your weapons blessed?

[Kamifuko]

Can obsessive compulsive disorder be a vampire weakness (To replace holy stuff)? It's a pretty bad one. Example, if you throw salt at them, they will force themselves to count every single piece of salt or else it will annoy them to no end.
I hate to sound like a baka, but what's obsessive compulsive disorder? :confused:

[Forever Zero]

It means just like IHMN said, that if they are confronted with a certain situation, they must do something in response no matter how illogical or strange. Like the salt thing, imagine if IHMN is fighting someone, and they throw salt at him. It is the middle of battle, but even though it isn't logical, he is forced to count every single piece of salt while he is being attacked, and he can do almost nothing else until every piece is counted.

And what is "Baka"?

[IHateMakingNames]

But note that the vampire won't sit there and take hits, s/he will avoid the attacks at them as best as possible while counting/doing whatever s/he is forcing him/herself to do.

Baka = Idiot, moron, etc, etc.

[Kamifuko]

It means just like IHMN said, that if they are confronted with a certain situation, they must do something in response no matter how illogical or strange. Like the salt thing, imagine if IHMN is fighting someone, and they throw salt at him. It is the middle of battle, but even though it isn't logical, he is forced to count every single piece of salt while he is being attacked, and he can do almost nothing else until every piece is counted.

And what is "Baka"?
Ohh....I'm not sure about that. Sounds kinda weird. :confused: And, if I remember correctly, baka is Japanese for idiot or stupid.

[IHateMakingNames]

It's an asain vampire weakness (Though some western stories have vampires count salt). But it's still pretty bad.

[Dante]

There were quite a few Eastern Europe vampire legends which were REALLY weird. The Alp, for example, drew its power from its hat. The Dakhanavar only bit its victims on the soles of its feet. And picking up and counting small objects featured prominetly in those legends.

EDIT: As for Asian vamprie weaknesses, they include peachwood swords, bronze coins, dog's or virgin's blood, and talismans stuck to the forehead.

[IHateMakingNames]

The blood thing I've never really heard off...

And asain vampires still have the sunlight weakness right?

I think Dante is our best source on this (This being asain vampires, and not really having anything to do with this RP...)

[Dante]

Asian vampires - I'm not too sure. presumably they are still weak against it. If vampires are Yin-aspected (death, stillness, negation) then the Yang of the sun (In Chinese it's "Tai Yang", literally "Supreme Yang") would wreak merry hell witht he vampire.

[Dragonsbane]

IHMN, you forgot the biggest strength of all................being nearly impossible to kill by normal means. Normal weapons can't really hurt vampires, and while blood speeds healing, they regenerate anyway. Besides Holy stuff, there aren't many ways to kill a vampire, even for a mage...

that is a HUGE advantage, and the holy weakness is necessary to counterbalance. The OCD thing wouldn't work, as it's something used with an entirely different genre of vampirism.......

in response to your "garlic" question.......garlic isn't a very strong poison, and if not ingested it doesn't do nearly as much damage as a Holy weapon (which would burn them severely........that's why truly holy weapons are rare, game balance;)). Even when ingested, only an extremely weak vampire would die from it, though a stronger one would be hurt and weakened. They can also smell it, and know to avoid it. This is basically just a way that someone who knows how can do a little damage with a nonmagical weapon to a vampire, it isn't much but it's better than nothing

[Dante]

The general idea of vampiric invulnerability is that they have zombie-like immunities - they have no vital organs (except the head) and while they CAN be torn apart by massed machinegun fire, stilettos and arrows and most piercing attacks are useless in and of themselves.

[IHateMakingNames]

Sure, it takes a lot to kill them, but if you do to them what would normally kill a non vampire, they won't be able to run/move much, so it shouldn't be to hard to cut off their head or pierce their heart.

And normal weapons can and do hurt vampires, just they can dodge/block better then most normal people, and they heal faster.

[Dragonsbane]

No, they don't. I'm starting to believe that you can only read your own posts......

I already explained how this works.......do I really need to repeat myself?

[IHateMakingNames]

Yes, they do (Assuming you mean normal weapons hurting vampires, since you didn't mention anything in your own post).

[Forever Zero]

You explained how D&D works, and not all of us like or follow D&D and instead look to literature or other RP systems. You also failed to take into account that these Vampire are not Undead, but only diseased, thus it doesn't make sense for them to be weak against all of the same things.

[Dante]

Oh, and if these vampires are diseased, then you could do worse than follow Blade's explanations.

[Dragonsbane]

let's say there's a thief named Ed, and Ed wants to backstab a vampire. Ed sticks his plain, steel dagger into the vampire's back, what happens?

He whirls around and kills Ed, simple enough.........then he pulls the dagger from his back, and the wound heals within the space of a few seconds.

he isn't exactly immune, or he wouldn't have a knife sticking in him at all.....but he can regenerate almost instantly from such a wound. The things I listed that can hurt vampires take longer to regenerate, and some require magic to heal (also listed, and mentioned as such)

If we're gonna have a creature like that (a vampire, if you don't understand what I'm talking about), you'd best be prepared to have a Holy weakness. You've already been warned about godmoding once...don't let this be a second time.

[Elminster_Amaur]

I think that the way IHMN wants it is that Vampire falls down having difficulty breathing after being stabbed in the back.

[IHateMakingNames]

A few seconds? To heal a knife through the back. For one, the knife might hit the heart (Not very likely with a knife, now that I think about it), which would hurt a lot to a vampire. And even after that, it would only heal in a couple of seconds if he managed to kill Ed right away then drain a lot of his blood.

Also, just putting garlic on your weapon is better then Holy weapons. All holy does is burn the cut so it takes longer to heal/is harder to heal, garlic will put poison into the vampire's system.


Edit - Oh no, the vampire will turn around and attack with a knife in his back, but it isn't going to heal in a few seconds.

And normal people (RP people, not real peopel) can still do things with a knife in their back, just it hurts more for them.

[Forever Zero]

I'm beggining to think you are failing to read anyone else's posts, Dragonsbane...

That is all well and good and how an Undead vampire works, but what if it isn't Ed the Theif, but Hugo the Barbarian and his Axe O' Head Choppin Goodness that cleaves the vampires head off? It is an average, everyday axe, but it cleaves through and kills the vamp. How does a Vamp heal with no head?

Also, these ARE NOT UNDEAD VAMPIRES. THEY ARE DISEASED. THE UNDEAD RULES DO NOT APPLY TO THEM, SO DICUSSION ON WHAT DOES APPLY TO THME IS NEEDED. Repeating the same argument over and over is not convincing, it is repetative and annoying.

[Dragonsbane]

poison which weakens the vampire severely, but won't hurt that badly..........and apparently you don't know how bad a burn a Holy weapon would inflict.

if the vampire isn't a complete weakling, he'll survive the garlic (unless he's stupid enough to eat it), and within a few minutes he'll be fine. If a Holy weapon hits him, not only does he get severely burned (in addition to stabbed/slashed/smacked/shot or whatever weapons of that type normally do when they hit someone), but worse, the wound won't regenerate unless he has access to some healing magic!

my point? Holy weapons hurt vamps more than garlic.

[edit] if it's hugh the Barbarian, then he wouldn't be backstabbing, would he? The vampire would see him coming, and Hugh might not get a clear shot at his head.

[edit2] IHMN, if you want to remove the weakness to Holy stuff in exchange for the loss of one of the vampire's strengths.........then pick something more substantial than the ability to take flesh wounds but not die from them. Like you said, if a normal person can act with a weapon in them, then so can a vampire, even if he gets hurt the same way as a normal person.........especially since he will heal shortly after.

[IHateMakingNames]

... How the hell does a holy weapon hurt a vampire, but holy magic/white magic (Healing) heals the vampire? That makes no sense at all.

But even so, a vampire can cure anything but death with enough blood, nothing is unhealable.

And no, the garlic is bad. He now has garlic in his blood. Vampires can't make their own blood, and while it is in there it is killing them. The vampire would have to drain their current blood then quickly completely drain some one else so they don't die.

[Dragonsbane]

regeneration, it would neutralize the garlic, which is a weak poison anyway........like if a bee stings you (I know garlic would hurt a vamp worse than a bee would hurt you, I'm just making a comparison), what happens to the venom it injects into you? Vampires are diseased, not undead (since we decided on that), as living creatures, they do make their own blood (same as humans).

The answer to the first question in your last post is answered by D&D, but you have already shown you don't care about that........so it's something we'll have to find a better strength to trade for, to deal with the holy weakness.

[IHateMakingNames]

... A vampire that can make it's own blood... Why would it need to drain blood from others then? There is no point in it if they can create their own blood.

Edit - I still like the Obsessive vampire idea. Pick up some sand from the ground and throw it at them, they will stop attacking you to count the sand.

[Royalspork]

ok just a random thought but maybe water= vampire blood and human blood = water for vimpires

[IHateMakingNames]

Two main reasons for water.

1) For the oxygen (But that is what air is for).

2) For your blood (It's mostly water).


Edit - Vampires need blood for healing, and because they can't make their own blood. If a vampire could make their own blood, then they would always have blood to go to the wounds, which would then make them near invincible.

[Dragonsbane]

IHMN.........why do vampire bats drink blood? They make their own blood too, don't they?

Why do leeches and mosquitoes drink blood?

Vamps just regenerate faster when they drink blood, consider it a perk.

[Dante]

Damn, I feel the need to bust a few cans of biology kickass all over this thread...

[IHateMakingNames]

Dante, please do. I just guessed (I would respond to the animals drinking blood thing, but some bio lessons first might help).

Also, DB, vampires need blood for healing, and because they can't make their own blood. If a vampire could make their own blood, then they would always have blood to go to the wounds, which would then make them near invincible. Do you really want that?

[Dragonsbane]

we're thinking of different things. I'm saying their blood, though infected with the disease of Vampirism (since you said injecting it into a victim causes the transformation), is otherwise much like human blood, meaning they can recover from poisons in their bloodstream which don't kill them, so you were incorrect in claiming that getting garlic in their blood would require them to drain it all out. They regenerate much more quickly after drinking someone else's blood, and are temporarily strengthened by it (this can also heal them after they are struck with a garlic-stained weapon). Otherwise, they regenerate slowly. Also, blood is practically the only nutrition (food or drink) they need, but without it they "starve" to death.

That help?

[edit] we've toned down the vampire a bit, both in strengths and weaknesses......I'm not convinced on shapeshifting now, though, is it really necessary?

Another thing, what effect would drinking another vampire's blood have on a vampire?

[Dante]

All right, hatfuckas, listen up! Dis is Dante's Vampiric Parabiology 101, so sits the fuckz downz and shutz da fuckz up!

IHMN.........why do vampire bats drink blood? They make their own blood too, don't they?

Is to supplement nutrients dey don't get from PLANTS! Vamp bats eat fruit too, just dat they suck blood as a past time of sorts!

Why do leeches and mosquitoes drink blood?

Because blood is predigested nutrients for leeches and they don't need to evolve digestive systems, yo! And mosquitoes (female mosquitoes, mind) drink blood so that they can produce their eggs (don't ask me why, dat's waaaay above my pay grade). See! Mosquitoes dey are herbivorous, as in dey suck plant sap to live. Males suck plant sap to lvie, and so do females, but dey be needing a dose of blood ocne every 25 generations to remain fertile, dig?

All right now.

Assumign that vampirism is a supernatural disease of some sort, We can say that vampirism causes extreme allergic reactions to sunlight and fire and possibly garlic, but no inherent positive energy vulnerability unless God (IE Kamifuko) sez so. Side effects of the vampirism disease include the ability to boost physical attributes and regenerate damage by "burning" blood (actually a metaphysical process involving the cannibalization of some spiritual aspect of blood). Blood is burned slowly every day, because the disease propagates itself by this release of spiritual energy (or whatever) If a vampire sucks not, then the disease will consume him, and he will assuredly die as his life force is consumed by the parasitic organism in his veins.


So wat does dis all mean?

1: Vampires are allergic to etcetra thingies.

2: Vamps need not be allergic to positive energy (or negative energy)

3: Vamps are fundamentally human or whatever barring their special conditions. IE you can still excise his lungs and he will still die, but if he had enough blood to burn he couldr egenerate the organs...of course, if you have your lungs excised it means you're pretty much screwed, because whoever's doing the excising can do it voer and over again.

4: Blood is damned essential to vampires. They will literally die without it.

5: I am bored.

Endeth the lesson. Now reflect upon your sins, supplicants, and learn!

[Forever Zero]

Thank you Professor Dante, that is the most intelligent thing posted so far in the Great Vampire Debate!

[IHateMakingNames]

So, basically, Dante just said what I've been saying, but with scienic and odd spelling choices, and better, and smarter.

But, these vampires aren't weak against fire. And I don't know what you mean by positive energy (Or negetive energy).

Though, I would rather say the disease shuts down what ever organ produces blood (Just to keep with the basic vampire thing of no blood being made) instead of using it really fast.

Edit - Also, since Kami never mentioned it, I assumed these vampires didn't have to breath... She didn't seem to put a lot of thought into the vampires, so I figured they were basically the undead vampires, but not undead.

[Royalspork]

do we have to take exams now???

are we geting to play the rp albannar or annoy DB some more?

[Dragonsbane]

I am humbled........thank you, Dante.

he seemed to be saying what I was trying to express, only with a few corrections concerning the disease instead of undeath query, and with a higher degree of eloquence. Whatever he said, I agree with.

I guess that settles it, except for the two questions I posted in my last edit, which are...

1. the effect of a vampire drinking another vampire's blood
2. shapeshifting

[edit] Kami doesn't know much about them, she was relying on my judgement.........feel free to call me a dumbass and laugh at me for anything I told her that was incorrect.

[IHateMakingNames]

1. That would be a form of an attack, since it is killing the vampire by removing there blood.

2. Bats for flight, wolves for forest, panthars for jungles, other mammals to fit into the enviroment that the vampire is in.

[Dragonsbane]

I prefer the blood being "burned" myself........since it makes more sense for a living yet diseased being. Also, for your character, IHMN........perhaps you could use your original outfit with a facemask, with two dark lenses in the eyeholes to protect your light-sensitive eyes.

I mean, is vampire blood better or worse for vampires than human blood?

would the creature depend on which environment they were born in? Or just whatever creature is best suited for whatever environment they happen to be in at the time? (the second option is WAY to broken, I can see far too many ways to claim a dragon is best suited for a certain environment.....)

[IHateMakingNames]

If we make the vampire to 'alive' though, then it gets rid of a lot of the vampires good qualities (Like not needing any of it's organs besides the heart).

Puh, and hide his beautiful face? Never!

That, and it would be pretty hard to mesmerize some one when you have lens covering your eyes.


Also, for #2, not sure if these vampires can do it, but would some shape shifting be possible? Like for whatever reason, instead of turning into a bat, the vampire would turn his arms into bat arms (Human size though). (This is a question for Kami).

Edit - I said mammal. A dragon is not a mammal.

[Dragonsbane]

the organs would heal, he'd just need to "burn" some blood.

He could remove the mask to mezmerize, thus giving him an air of mystery that the ladies are sure to love! (ever wonder why Black Mage has so many fangirls?) They will dream about the face behind that mask, and when he does take it off they will be mezmerized and think their dreams have come true anyway! It's a win-win scenario:D

I doubt partial shapeshifting would be allowed, sorry.

Dragons are not mammals, I just misread your post.....though that doesn't answer the question, really.

[Kamifuko]

Uhh...I just got back. But, I managed to read the biology lesson...But, I'm glad to see that you guys are done debating. :D At least, I think you're done debating. IHMN, if you really want it, then I'll replace the holy weakness with the obsessive impulsive disorder weakness. But, at least one other person has to want it. Does that seem fair to you guys?

[Dragonsbane]

Do we even need it anymore? Dante's description seems perfectly good to me, and it doesn't mention OCD. The fact that they need to consume blood after "burning" (official term for it, now!) so much to heal themselves after even normal wounds kinda negates the need for a big weakness...

[IHateMakingNames]

That 'one other person' should be bm_girl, since she has (half) a vampire (Stupid cloak thing...).

And can a vampire partially shape shift? Like just sprout some wings, or turn arms into human sized bat wings, or change legs into a dolphins tail while in the water, etc?


Edit - Dante's explaination didn't mention anything about the whole holy thing...

And he didn't mean it takes an insane amount of blood, he just said that so there is a reason why blood is needed to be drained (Vampires still heal the same).

[Forever Zero]

Positive Energy/Negative Energy = Holy/Unholy Gods

It's not that hard a connection to make...

[Dragonsbane]

she's a full vamp, she just has a magic cloak.........consider it a temporary cure that lasts as long as she wears it, but the disease resumes when she takes it off.

Dante's explanation made the Holy thing unneccessary, and prevented IHMN and BMG from having an unfair weakness to clerics of Good deities.

[edit] FZ, that's a D&D thing too.........I mentioned it earlier, didn't I?

[Dante]

If it is merely biological, then there's no holy issue. And IHMN, everyone is vulnerable to fire inasmuch as they are not demons of the pit who are immune to fire.

[IHateMakingNames]

I know everyone is vunerable to fire, but it's not a extra weakness to a vampire like it usually is.

[Dragonsbane]

Or Fire Elementals!

are vamps affected more by fire than a person would be, I mean? And could they regenerate from a would caused by fire (the Hydra couldn't, and that may or may not be relevant...)

I doubt partial shapeshifting will be allowed, but BMG needs to see all this.

[Forever Zero]

[edit] FZ, that's a D&D thing too.........I mentioned it earlier, didn't I?

My comment on it was in direct relation to IHMN thinking that Dante hadn't addressed the Holy issue in his biology lesson, when in fact he had covered it using the terms Energy instead of Gods...

[Dragonsbane]

ah, I see........

would a vampire that drank the blood of another vampire be strengthened, weakened, or unaffected by it?

[Dante]

SO don't make it a special weakness. If vampires are all fleshy and watery like normal beings then they'l lbe as hard to burn as normal human beings. The vampire weakness to fire comes from two sources -

1: Undead vampires fear fire because fire is a symbol of cleansing and what have you.

2: As vampire bodies dry out they become dry and more vulnerable to fire than normal. This is the VtM explanation.

[IHateMakingNames]

Drinking a vampire's blood is just like drinking anything elses blood, just it's more deadly to the vampire being drained then it is to a non vampire being drained.

Edit- Fire isn't a special weakness, and it never has been for these vampires...

Edit 2 - And fire = cleansing? Usually water = cleansing (Which might explain the unable to cross a body of water thing...)

[Dragonsbane]

ah, I see........should we go to the RP now?

[Royalspork]

yes to the rp people

[Dante]

If you wanted to bring more VtM into this, you coudl say that elder vampires can cocnentrate the blood they take in, meaning that a no0b vampire and an elder vamprie ahve the same amount of blood, but the amount of energy (or blood points) that a fixe amoutn of elder blood will provide is more than the same amoutn of no0b blood.

[IHateMakingNames]

What is VtM?

Also, Dante, are you on a different type of computer or something? You seem to be having many more typoes then normal.

[Forever Zero]

VtM = World of Darkness - Vampire: The Gathering

[Dante]

Typos? Yes, I am afflcited by typodemons... Damn typodemons.

Also because I'm doing a few things at once and find it hard to concentrate...

[Dragonsbane]

don't you mean Vampire: the Masquerade, FZ?

or did you get confused with Magic: the Gathering?

[Forever Zero]

No I meant exactly what I said! I was not wrong!

Bah, it's past midnight here so my brain isn't at 100%, and I was thinking of making a Magic Card, so when I answered I got them mixed up. Yes, it is Vampire: The Masquerade.

[Dragonsbane]

is Vace in the Quiet Dragon? He seems to have just entered a random bar or something......

[Forever Zero]

He did. He left The Quiet Dragon (Since I originally had not designed it with a bar...) to go in search of a bar or another place, and thus has stumbled into currently unnamed bar... There is a purpose for this I will reveal in time.

[Dragonsbane]

the problem is that everyone else is in the Quiet Dragon......oh, by the way.....Draloron would probably recognize Vace as a storm genasi (loves to read, remember? It's safe to assume he knows a lot of history, sciences, and facts.....it's just real-world experience he lacks)

[Forever Zero]

So... What's your point? Everyone else is, in fact, at the Quiet Dragon...

And that is fair enough. A scholar would recognize his unique traits.

[Dragonsbane]

just telling you so you don't think I'm using Out Of Character knowledge if Draloron sees Vace and recognizes him as a lightning genasi

[Forever Zero]

That is fair and makes sense. And Vace would most likely keep that private normally, so only a scholar knowledged in the Plain of Lightning or in the Genasi in general would know that.

[Dragonsbane]

Yes, he won't recognize BMG or IHMN as vamps though, not at first......it's evening, and they may be getting ready to feed, so he may become curious but won't know anything definite.

[edit] Draloron knows a lot about both, especially since one of the people who handled shipping contracts for his family was a Water Genasi.

[edit2] sheesh.........we haven't even formed a party yet, and already I've had to waste magic defending myself.

[IHateMakingNames]

DB, pay more attention before you include other characters in your post. For one, I stated that Dirk was sitting there with his arm in front of his eyes to block out the light, meaning he couldn't have been looking at your guy. And secondly, I never said he looked over, just over heard.

Might as well point this out now before you start making worse mistakes.

[Dragonsbane]

Must you always be so offensive? Point it out in a civil manner, and I shall correct it.

[Dante]

Must you always be so offensive? Point it out in a civil manner, and I shall correct it.

IHMN has a very unique bedside manner - he makes you eat the fucking bed.

[Forever Zero]

IHMN has a very unique bedside manner - he makes you eat the fucking bed.

Mmm, mine tastes like cotton! And if nothing else, he gets the job done...

[Dragonsbane]

For once, he was right, and for that I commend him....

by the way, what do you think a hungry vampire feeding would sound like? I was guessing a sort of "slurping" sound....

[Forever Zero]

Umm, I assume it would be silent, unless he is being brutal and ripping the targets neck off to suck out the blood faster...

[IHateMakingNames]

If they are hungry and slopy, maybe it would sound like when you try getting the liquid at the bottom of a cup with a straw (They don't literally drink blood, they suck it out with fangs). But almost every time it will be quiet, since the fnags are in the victim and the heart does most of the work for the vampire.

[Dragonsbane]

it's a hungry one.....and "slurping" is the sound you get trying to get the liquid at the bottom of a cup with a straw.

[Dante]

I think a feeding vampire would slurp...

[IHateMakingNames]

Then what is the sound of people who eat soup like idiots?

And the vampire would never make any sounds unless they are sucking a person dry (Which would take a while and it would only happen at the very end), or they ripped off the guys head and are licking the blood up.

The victim might scream though if the vampire didn't try to prevent thtat before hand.

[Dragonsbane]

They're different sorts of slurping, but slurping nonetheless!

It's like how Red Mage and Black Mage are both Mages, but are different in many ways.

Also, this is a hungry vampire who hasn't fed in several days, so it's drinking a bit faster, biting in hard to make a larger puncture in a major vein of its victim, thus filling its mouth with blood and guzzling it down.

[IHateMakingNames]

Vampires don't drink blood. They suck it through their fangs.

[Forever Zero]

I thought they drank it. How do you suck through your teeth? Your teeth are made of rock hard calcium...

[Foamy]

ok look vamps suck blood. their fangs puncture the skin in a spot on the neck where there is an artery and that pumps the blood into the vamps mouth. and further more the victim is paralized with the sensation of having their blood sucked so they cannot scream. so there.

[IHateMakingNames]

I always assumed that vampires fangs had a narrow hole in them which connected to their blood stream, so they sucked the victims blood directly into their own, and when they wanted to turn their victim into a vampire, they have some of their blood go out of the fangs.

[Foamy]

that could work too.

[Dragonsbane]

they could do both, actually.

[Forever Zero]

Question, how do you know that the man in the bar is an assassin? that makes absolutely no sense...

And as to Vampires, they are popularly portrayed as having to cut themselves and feed their own blood to the victim as well as drinking their victims blood to make them a vampire.

[Foamy]

i noticed he was an assassin because he looked like one. i assumed.

[Forever Zero]

He looks like an assassin because he has on a cloak?

[Dragonsbane]

this thing that makes Draloron different from other humans, is it something I already know about and just forgot?

[IHateMakingNames]

If that is the case, I guess bm_girl's character is an assassin as well, as is mine (But he actually is...).

Edit - Unless you have some stupid little back story thing, I don't think your guy is special in any way (Besides being a mage, but that isn't very hard).

[Foamy]

look it's been done just leave it.

[Forever Zero]

Actually, I have an easy way to fix it...

[Dragonsbane]

IHMN, keep your nose out of things that don't concern you...........this is between me and BMG...

[Foamy]

the thing that makes you different is that you're an not an NPC, DB.

[IHateMakingNames]

Oh, but it does involve me. I'm in the RP as well. If your 'special' thing is you being a half-red dragon werewolf, I think that is something that should be addressed.

[Forever Zero]

I so need to make a Half-Red Dragon Werewolf as a character one day...

[Foamy]

im just trying to get all of the players in the same place so we can start a quest or something. i just needed something to start a conversation.

[Dragonsbane]

what about a half-fiend half-black-dragon lich drow werewolf? :p

[IHateMakingNames]

"So... How about this weather?"

That would have been a better line then "You seem special and different, tell me why. Now!", especially when the character isn't special (Beyond being a PC).

what about a half-fiend half-black-dragon lich drow werewolf?

Impossible. You can't be half-fiend, half-black dragon and then a drow. That's either 150% or 200% (Depending if you meant full drow or only half drow), when the max of your existence is 100%

And then a Lich is undead, while werewolves can't be Undead (It's a living only disease).



Anyway, this thread has reached the limit...

[Foamy]

look just make up something about your past DB.

[Forever Zero]

The Half-Red Dragon Werewolf joke comes from a comic I like and that IHMN read.

And perhaps everyone will meet up while doing their own thing? The Main Evil hasn't done anything yet, so perhaps the king will put up a bounty on some bandits or monsters will attack the main gate. Instead of trying to force a situation to advance plot, it is much easier to let the story go as it will then wait for an event that binds everyone together.

EDIT/REPOST: I believe Kamifuko might be understanding if we either continue to post in this topic, or made a new one to continue discussion.

[Dragonsbane]

I know what it will be *evil grin*, ask him if he had any weird dreams lately, BMG.....

FZ, which comic is that?

As for the plot, I will talk with Kamifuko.....

[Forever Zero]

http://www.critical-miss.tk/

The comic is about D&D and it is called Critical Miss. It's short, just started, and erratically updates, but I make sure to keep an eye on it.

[Dragonsbane]

I wondered why that joke sounded familiar....

[IHateMakingNames]

To answer bm_girl's IC question, sucking the 'chosen ones' blood wouldn't do anything. It would just get burned/used eventually and then it's gone.

And for a vampire/elf who is only 125 (A child in both of those races terms...), she seem to know a lot.

[Dragonsbane]

well...............you don't know what a Chosen is, IHMN. Trust me, it WOULD have an effect, the trouble is figuring out whether or not she would survive it....

I'll give you a tidbit of information, magic is not something that gets flushed out of the system in a case like this....the blood itself would get burned up, but the magic wouldn't be.

[edit] many humans much younger than 125 know more, she's just a fast learner for an elf.

[IHateMakingNames]

Is this 'chosen one' crap even confirmed with Kami, or are you just making this up?

And a word of advice to Kami whatever the answer is, never make one (or few) character(s) the center of the story/to important. Then it gets boring to everyone else, posting stops, and the RP dies.

Edit - Vampires are ageless, elves just age really slowly. She should have had to have been biten recently to not appear as a little kid.

And it's also getting annoying with bm_girl's character, because she is having her character know everything.

"Oh look, it's Dirk."
"Oh look, it's an assassin because he has a cloak on."
"Oh look, it's the 'chosen one'."


Edit 2 - I just went back and read a post, why the hell is Dirk being refered to as a 'old victim' to bm_girl's character? He's been a vampire longer then she has existed.

[Foamy]

im winging it here!!! i just want the damn quest to start!!! *hides in dark corner and waits for quest to start...*

[IHateMakingNames]

That is the GM (Kami's) job, not your's. This isn't one of those shitty Arena threads, you can't just post what you want.

[Kamifuko]

Look, all the PCs are the "Chosen Ones", okay? Your chosen to save the kingdom from the great evil...and the reason I haven't really posted is in the Albannar thread. Sorry. :)

[Forever Zero]

"Chosen Ones" always seemed like an odd concept... I always like the idea of average people coming together to take on incredible odds and succeed. But whatever works...

[Kamifuko]

You're as average as vampires, gensai, and wizards can be. :p Chosen Ones, because though 'average' people, they were chosen from the beginning for this task.
Edit:I'm going to start a new discussion thread...I'm suprised how fast these reach their limit. :eek:

[Dragonsbane]

exactly, all of us are chosen, but only Draloron knows about it........and it just confuses him. It doesn't give him anything special, and I'm glad it doesn't, since he should be relying more on his magic than on any special powers or abilities

[edit] IHMN........seriously, have you ever tried NOT being an asshole!? If you don't like something, then be polite about it, and maybe it might change.

[Xennith]

It's clear to me that this RP has been going for awhile already, and I figure it was started during one of my away periods... and I wish I could have joined.
So, out of curiosity, is there any way I could join up now? If there isn't, it's cool. I just figured it couldn't hurt to ask.

[Kamifuko]

Just post your character info in the second discussion thread, and use the required information from the sign up thread. Just don't sign up in that thread, it rreached it's limit.
P.S.~ Make sure to read the rules before making a character.

[Dragonsbane]

Sure! but we're on Discussion Thread 2 now, just post your character there and I'm sure Kami will let you join.

[Xennith]

Cool, I'll post my character in a while, right now I've got work to do IRL.

Probably just edit it in right here.