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Wigmund
11-20-2009, 08:15 PM
They've got the LHC back up and running.

From Discovery News (http://news.discovery.com/tech/firing-up-the-large-hadron-collider-again.html):
If all goes well, the Large Hadron Collider will soon be smashing subatomic particles together as they travel near the speed of light around the 16.8 mile circumference of the world's most complicated machine. Scientists hope the Large Hadron Collider will give us more information of what the universe was like mere fractions of a second after the Big Bang. Journalists hope writing about the Large Hadron Collider won't result in an embarrassingly juvenile typo. And misguided people around the globe hope it won't create a black hole that will swallow us all.

Let's get that last one out of the way first: The LHC isn't going to create a black hole that will destroy the Earth and spaghettify us. That's a real term by the way. Spaghettification refers to the stretching of objects as they encounter intense gravitational fields. Who said cosmologists didn't have a sense of humor?

Scientists are quick to point out that such fears are misplaced. The collisions that will happen in the LHC -- assuming it ever works -- happen in the universe all the time. The LHC will create these events in a controlled environment and allow us to observe and measure them. If a black hole were to form from the experiments it would exist for less than a second before collapsing in on itself.

Some scientists hope that experiments at the LHC will provide evidence of the Higgs Boson particle. Have you ever wondered why matter has mass? It's okay if you haven't -- scientists have done it for you. We don't have an answer for that question. The best we can manage is a theoretical particle we call the Higgs Boson. We don't even know if such a particle exists. The LHC may give us the next clue we need to answer a fundamental question about the nature of the universe itself. That's pretty cool!

All of this is moot if the machine never gets going. Engineers at the LHC have had to deal with some big problems. The LHC was supposed to go online in 2008 but an improperly spliced cable and a helium leak shut it down for a year. Last month, the LHC faced another daunting foe: a piece of bread. Apparently a baguette clogged up part of the LHC. Fortunately, the brave men and women at CERN were able to dispose of this Enemy of Science.

And what about the theory that the Higgs Boson itself is traveling from the future to sabotage the LHC? I have a question for you. Which is more likely: The world's most advanced and complicated machine, composed of thousands of parts from dozens of manufacturers, should experience a few hiccups before it works properly or a theoretical particle that may not even exist somehow has sentience, the ability to travel through time and a grudge against the LHC? I think Occam's Razor will guide you to the right answer (Note: it's probably the first one).

Time-traveling particles (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/13/science/space/13lhc.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1) and heroic bread-dropping birds (http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-11/bread-loving-bird-shuts-down-lhc) have failed to prevent the LHC from coming online now, doom is nigh.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-20-2009, 08:21 PM
God damn it! Why must science continue to mess with shit it shouldn't mess with! XD

Azisien
11-20-2009, 08:45 PM
Well I for one am happy. Enough freaking delays. It's already going to be a year or two before they crunch enough data to SAY anything anyway. These delays are infuriating on a distant, nerdy level.

Wigmund
11-20-2009, 08:47 PM
God damn it! Why must science continue to mess with shit it shouldn't mess with! XD

Where would obtain all this cool shit?
http://www.vectorvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/wearscience_vectorvault.gif

Bells
11-20-2009, 09:05 PM
Goddamn it Wiggy!! (your nickname is Wiggy, ok? ) don't you know you're not supposed to use that title without proper musical background!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN2C6L9v2XM&feature=related)

Kyanbu The Legend
11-20-2009, 09:11 PM
Where would obtain all this cool shit?
http://www.vectorvault.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/wearscience_vectorvault.gif

Those are okay. Making micro Black Holes and smashing atoms together to figure out how the big bang happened in a process that may or may not nuke the surrounding area is not. XD

Sithdarth
11-20-2009, 10:55 PM
in a process that may or may not nuke the surrounding area is not.

Except for that part were it won't because it can't and anyone with a modicum of training in physics knows and could probably prove this.

krogothwolf
11-20-2009, 11:09 PM
Except for that part were it won't because it can't and anyone with a modicum of training in physics knows and could probably prove this.

Well there goes my theory on the real reason the world will end in 2012. I have money on the LHC blowin us up.

Viridis
11-20-2009, 11:14 PM
I have money on the LHC blowin us up.

That makes no sense. Bet money on the world not blowing up. You don't have to pay if you lose.

Bells
11-20-2009, 11:16 PM
Why noone has any money on the "the LHC will give to a choosen few, superpowers."?

Bet in the awesome people, enough doomsday!

krogothwolf
11-20-2009, 11:17 PM
That makes no sense. Bet money on the world not blowing up. You don't have to pay if you lose.

yeah, but this way if the world does blow up because of the LHC I can hound all my friends in hell to try and get them to pay up, and if they don't I get to torture them. Also it would allow me to go "I told you so" over and over again.

Kyanbu The Legend
11-20-2009, 11:31 PM
Except for that part were it won't because it can't and anyone with a modicum of training in physics knows and could probably prove this.
I was talking about the LHC shorting out (or someone sabotaging it) and blowing up. Its a machine that burns up thousands of waltz of electricity. It can go boom.

yeah, but this way if the world does blow up because of the LHC I can hound all my friends in hell to try and get them to pay up, and if they don't I get to torture them. Also it would allow me to go "I told you so" over and over again.
Wouldn't you have to over through the demons of S##### or at least somehow convince them to let you join their ranks to be able to do that?

BitVyper
11-20-2009, 11:40 PM
Its a machine that burns up thousands of waltz of electricity.

I never knew poetry could explode. (http://allpoetry.com/poem/4412011)

It can go boom.

So can a propane tank, or an oil refinery, or like any number of other large and small things. Point?

Kyanbu The Legend
11-20-2009, 11:48 PM
I never knew poetry could explode. (http://allpoetry.com/poem/4412011)



So can a propane tank, or an oil refinery, or like any number of other large and small things. Point?
I was just saying. There really wasn't any other point aside from stating that. I have to remember not to joke about physics as that apparently didn't go over well.

Regulus Tera
11-21-2009, 12:14 AM
We have one of these threads every fucking time they turn on the LHC.

bluestarultor
11-21-2009, 12:21 AM
We have one of these threads every fucking time they turn on the LHC.

To be fair, the thing hasn't actually ever been "on" yet, has it? The closest we have is section tests, and the thing is 16 miles around. Besides, it could be worse. The OP could have posted an article from another crazy yammering about the Van Allen Belt and moon landing and crap. I think hearing from Discovery is an improvement.

krogothwolf
11-21-2009, 12:34 AM
Wouldn't you have to over through the demons of S##### or at least somehow convince them to let you join their ranks to be able to do that?

Yeah, I have faith that I could get the demon's to join me in torturing them, mainly because they'd enjoy it :D

Sithdarth
11-21-2009, 01:55 AM
I was talking about the LHC shorting out (or someone sabotaging it) and blowing up. Its a machine that burns up thousands of waltz of electricity. It can go boom.

Yeah see not going to happen. Generators produce millions of watts of electricity and even if you shorted them they wouldn't explode. At most a structural failure could cause a catastrophic disintegration but that has everything to do with really fast rotation and absolutely nothing to do with electricity. Simply put electricity is not explosive. No matter how much you put into a place electricity will not explode nor will it cause an explosion. That is unless of course you put it into an explosive or use it to vaporize/heat something in a sealed container. Seeing as there are no explosives currently at the LHC and any place where something could potentially be heated in a container there are numerous safety valves, sensors, and other devices to stop an explosion its safe.

Additionally there simply is no possible failure mechanism of the LHC that would cause an explosion large enough to effect anything outside the tunnel. Worse case scenario a few safety valves fail at the same time as the coolant system fails and helium gas bursts a pressure vessel. It makes some noise, shuts down the LHC, destroys a bit of the tunnel maybe but it never comes near the surface. That is absolutely worse case. Even if the beams where on its built underground so they'd hop out of their tracks and head straight into lots and lots of Earth well away from hurting anyone. In short there is absolutely no way that the LHC can nuke any area at all aside from the isolated section of the tunnel an accident or sabotage happened in. The only way to nuke the area around the LHC is to smuggle a nuke into the area around the LHC.

Remember folks complex and powerful does not equal potential for giant explosions. Its actually very rare for anything to have the potential to explode at all much less explode enough to cause damage to a large area. This is especially true of things that are buried safely underground. Or in other words despite what Hollywood would have you believe every large scientific endeavor is not an explosion waiting to happen.

Marc v1.0
11-21-2009, 03:52 AM
every large scientific endeavor is not an explosion waiting to happen.

Yeah, only the really cool ones can explode

Premonitions
11-21-2009, 06:04 AM
You people are missing the true potential of this thing!
It's gonna transform! into a giant robot!
And I get to pilot it because none of you have hair cool enough for the job.

NonCon
11-21-2009, 06:06 AM
You people are missing the true potential of this thing!
It's gonna transform! into a giant robot!
And I get to pilot it because none of you have hair cool enough for the job.

Your hair is not blue. You pilot nothing.

synkr0nized
11-21-2009, 07:15 AM
This isn't overdone at all. (http://www.last.fm/music/Europe/_/The+Final+Countdown)

Kyanbu The Legend
11-21-2009, 01:38 PM
You people are missing the true potential of this thing!
It's gonna transform! into a giant robot!
And I get to pilot it because none of you have hair cool enough for the job.

For about 5 minutes. Then it's my turn.

Funka Genocide
11-23-2009, 01:55 PM
You people are missing the true potential of this thing!
It's gonna transform! into a giant robot!
And I get to pilot it because none of you have hair cool enough for the job.


you know... he's got a point.

fuck.

Regulus Tera
11-23-2009, 04:32 PM
Low energy collisions were performed in ATLAS and CMS, then later in ALICE and LHC-beauty. The current plan is to ramp up to 1.2 TeV per beam by Christmas. That means it should exceed the collision energy of the Tevatron within the next month.

A report on the first week's results will be given at 4PM on Thursday. This report will be webcast in English here: http://www.cern.ch/webcast

So basically we're officially not dead.

Tev
11-23-2009, 05:02 PM
The current plan is to ramp up to 1.2 TeV per beam by Christmas. That means it should exceed the collision energy of the Tevatron within the next month.This post makes me feel cool for some reason.

Viridis
11-23-2009, 05:52 PM
LHC first beam event. (http://cmsdoc.cern.ch/cms/performance/FirstBeam/cms-e-commentary09.htm)Very technical but interesting looking displays. No sign of imminent doom or giant robots yet.

Hawk
11-23-2009, 06:44 PM
Or superpowers...

I call that a failed test frankly!

bluestarultor
11-23-2009, 06:48 PM
Or superpowers...

I call that a failed test frankly!

I dunno about you guys. I just got some sweet ice abilities. :p

synkr0nized
11-23-2009, 06:51 PM
I have decided that all the doom-and-gloom ideas and notions about the LHC exploding and any particles discovered with it also exploding or being destructive are actually foreshadowing of the scientific community figuring out the actual composition of the Tokyo Tower.