Smallville is pretty much the best TV show

[Fifthfiend]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=8661

KAPOW.

[Archbio]

I know all of these words, but the sequence of them makes no sense. Help.

[Bells]

Boy, is'u crazy?

Also: Isn't this show over yet? A show about Superman where the best part os Lex Luthor and his father, and now both are gone and/or dead. Why isn't this over?!

They managed to crap over the entire Superman history in a timeline before he became Superman. That is no small feat...

[Fifthfiend]

Guys I think you need to learn to read the topic link before you comment? That's just good netizenship!!

[NonCon]

Clark Kent... You are the one.

He looks like he's trying to shoot eye lazers but if Superman didn't have eye lazers.

[Archbio]

Guys I think you need to learn to read the topic link before you comment

I don't see what very poor cosplay has to do with TV shows.

[Bells]

Guys I think you need to learn to read the topic link before you comment? That's just good netizenship!!


I did! The S is his chest seems like it was made with a freaking chalk line!

They are also bringing Metallo, Zodd and the Wonder Twins this season... thus why i can't shake the question of "why isn't this hell over yet?"

[Mirai Gen]

"[We can sell] knives to stab yourself with in case you're still watching Smallville."

[Fifthfiend]

I don't see what very poor cosplay has to do with TV shows.

Maybe you don't know anything about style but if the success of smash hit films The Matrix and Punisher: War Zone are any indication, the public disagrees!!

[BitVyper]

Yes. A trenchcoat. Of course.

Maybe he can get a motorcycle too. A black and grey one, of course.

Criticism: His face is still too expressive.

[BloodyMage]

It's something to do with him becoming superman, but that he wouldn't suddenly come up with the superman costume that we all recognise so instead he's going to try out other costumes before smallville finally dies.

It's been switched to fridays now though, so it might die soon...hopefully.

[Mirai Gen]

I've just been honestly wondering how he gets the S.

Like, did he fall in some ash while going to a Matrix cosplay convention? Or maybe he's like "This is my new logo" and therefore buttfuck the original continuity of Superman? That last one is pretty in-line with Smallville thus far.

[Dracorion]

I've just been honestly wondering how he gets the S.

Like, did he fall in some ash while going to a Matrix cosplay convention? Or maybe he's like "This is my new logo" and therefore buttfuck the original continuity of Superman? That last one is pretty in-line with Smallville thus far.

And then DC will retcon Superman so that the "S" was never his family crest, just something he made up in a drunken stupor.

[MFD]

HAHA, I bet it's a reference to this (http://www.intuitivewebdesigns.com/comics/graphics/superman/NewSuperman.jpg).

[Nique]

*groan* I keep thinking I'll go back to this show eventually but then they anncounce something like this and I know that she's just like bad medicine.

...bad medicine is what I need.

[BloodyMage]

I've just been honestly wondering how he gets the S.

Like, did he fall in some ash while going to a Matrix cosplay convention? Or maybe he's like "This is my new logo" and therefore buttfuck the original continuity of Superman? That last one is pretty in-line with Smallville thus far.

Pretty sure the S was burnt on to his chest within the first season or two. I sometimes wonder how they're going to go from this to the red and blue, though I soon remember I'd have to watch the show to find out and quickly realise I don't care.

[Krylo]

I sometimes wonder how they're going to go from this to the red and blue

After listening to an Obama speech meant for schoolchildren he becomes brainwashed into a patriotic tool of the man, whom force him to wear red and blue, as they are the colors of this here United States of America.

The tights are just so they can giggle about it behind his back.

[Wigmund]

I always thought the red and blue tights were silly.
http://www.superherohype.com/nextraimages/wellingsmallville.jpg
Hmmm...that left eye looks a little blue...
6982
Wait a minute!
http://www.geocities.jp/wakabanarue/image/MikuruBeam.jpg
Superman has the Mikuru Beam!?

[BitVyper]

Wait... is he wearing heels?

[bluestarultor]

Wait... is he wearing heels?

No, just thick-soled boots.

[Nique]

Lookalikea sum heels to me

[Shin Amakiir]

I read the title as "Seinfeld is pretty much the best TV show," then opened the link and saw the trench coat and figured that it was in relation to the coat that Seinfeld often wore in the show. It took a few posts to correct that.

[BloodyMage]

Wait... is he wearing heels?

Great now all I can think of is him trying out a dress and heels in his quest to find the right costume.

[Kerensky287]

No, just thick-soled boots.

Mo' like THICK-HEELED BOOTS.

(Couldn't decide which was better. I leave the decision to the reader.)

[Magus]

This is probably referencing the supposedly "awesome" darker version of Superman that they were bandying about a lot in different treatments before Superman Returns was decided upon/made. One of those variations had Superman wearing a black-and-white costume reminiscent of his outfit in the alternate reality Justice Lords thing (if anyone watches Justice League).

I think it's pretty stupid and further cements this show as "that show you watch once in a while when nothing else is on and the plot doesn't make any sense because you missed the last four episodes but y'know nothing else is on and its vaguely related to Superman you guess".

I mean, I keep better track of Legend of the Seeker reruns than new episodes of this show, so that speaks to how little I care about this one.

[Nique]

I remember back when Smallville was fun to watch and even funner to make fun of. Like when they had a streak of 'Monster-of-the-week' episodes, or just the 'so bad it's good' moments. The lows gave my inner nerd something to critique and the highs gave me hope for what would, I thought, become an awesome story that had a defined beginning, middle and end.

And then somewhere around Season 4 they took a nosedive and never turned back. Probably about the time that the killed Jonathan Kent

[Krylo]

Yeah, I had hope for it at first as kind of a fun little "This is what it was like for Superman as a highschooler" show, that acted as slice of life episodes for a super powered kryptonian just trying to fit in, that eventually segued into the actual origin story... then they fucked everything up.

Though, I pretty much figured it would be stupid when they had Lex Luthor going to his highschool.

[Fifthfiend]

I still say that from the moment in the first episode when Clark jammed his arm into a woodchipper to prove how unfair it is that he can break woodchippers with his bare arms it was clearly a show bound and determined to choke itself to death on its own angst.

[Mirai Gen]

I never caught on (cause I'm not the hugest fan of TV) but I do recall several threads bantering about on the forums years ago for the first few seasons.

Of course same thing happened with Heroes so I guess there's a reason for everything.

[Archbio]

Going all "X-Men films" on Superman's costume in an adaptation isn't necessarily bad, I'd even kind of be for it, but there's also the small question of the execution...

I mean, chalk, really?

[Krylo]

I still say that from the moment in the first episode when Clark jammed his arm into a woodchipper to prove how unfair it is that he can break woodchippers with his bare arms it was clearly a show bound and determined to choke itself to death on its own angst.

I don't think I actually saw the first episode, or yeah, I'd probably have not had any hope at all.

[Mannix]

I remember back when Smallville was fun to watch and even funner to make fun of. Like when they had a streak of 'Monster-of-the-week' episodes, or just the 'so bad it's good' moments. The lows gave my inner nerd something to critique and the highs gave me hope for what would, I thought, become an awesome story that had a defined beginning, middle and end.

And then somewhere around Season 4 they took a nosedive and never turned back. Probably about the time that the killed Jonathan Kent

Yeah, but you have to admit that episode gave us the greatest moment in TV history:

Clark decides to tell lana he's an alien, so he calls her and tells her to dress warm and come over because he's going to show her something she'll never forget. They go to the fortress and blah blah blah she dies, so clark jumps into a time machine that only works once to save her. so far so lame. but the time machine takes him back to the spot just after he called her, and he decides to break up with her to 'save' her. so the modified timeline went something like this:

Clark: Hey Lana, come over the farm and dress warm, I'll show you something you'll never forget.

Lana dresses warm and comes over, excited for the surprise.

Clark: Lana, we shouldn't see each other any more. Goodbye.

BEST. BREAKUP. EVER.

I'm not sure if I could come up with a shittier way to break up with somebody if I tried.


In terms of great TV, this episode is only rivaled by that time that Peter Petrelli accidentally erased that Irish chick from the universe.

[Nique]

I still say that from the moment in the first episode when Clark jammed his arm into a woodchipper to prove how unfair it is that he can break woodchippers with his bare arms it was clearly a show bound and determined to choke itself to death on its own angst.

It looked cool though. Although I actually threw in with the exact same 'this show's gonna suuuuuck' opinion from the beginning and even until season 1 was coming to a close. Once I actually watched season one in it's entirety, I bought the first 3 seasons on DVD.

[Fifthfiend]

On a tangental note,

Jonathan Kent

http://i606.photobucket.com/albums/tt148/fifthfiend/reactions/MenInTights.gif

[Magus]

I remember liking it at one time but then I missed an episode or whatever and it was impossible to follow because they'd dropped the "monster-of-the-week" format in favor of some crazy stuff involving the Phantom Zone and evil alternate dimensional Kryptonian demons sent by Lord Xenu to stimulate the thetans or something. And like the Green Arrow is in it regularly now? I think he was cooler than Kent by virtue of actually having a costume, and one similar enough to the comic (though edgy with sunglasses and a hood or whatever), not something that looks like a badass longcoat but fails in that the guy within it is not badass.

[Fifthfiend]

As measured relative to lifespan the "talking about spoilers" tag has been used literally infinity times more than the actual fucking spoilerbox tag for the purpose of spoilering spoilers.

By which I mean that the former has happened twice now compared to the latter's never in all of forum history.

EDIT: Fuck it I'm just killing the tag.

[Nique]

Sorry! Probably due to only ever using the quick reply.

[krogothwolf]

I just want clark to dawn the superman costume and end the show, the perpetual teen angst of it is starting to wear thin. AND GIVE ME GREEN LANTERN ALREADY DAMNIT!!!

[Magus]

At one time I thought they would make sequel called Metropolis where he was actually Superman but that died out when I saw that they were in Metropolis and he was pretty much Superman and it was still called Smallville for some reason.

[Mirai Gen]

If there was a GIF of a man milking a cow with a gleeful expression on his face while it turned to money, I'd have an explanation for that.

[The Gunslinger]

I'm gonna call it right now. People are not going to trust Clark,maybe even be a little scared by him, while he is in that awful costume, so he'll start wearing brighter colors so as to seem more friendly. And that ends with him going around in tights to please the women and intimidate the criminals.

The heels are probably for the inevitable musical episode.

[Nique]

Oh please if they actually took this show in the correct direction I'll ... Well, I'll eat my hat (Note: Do not own hats). And musical episode? If Joss Whedon starting directing, well, that'd be something worth watching.

[The Gunslinger]

That is the second time someone has bet me with eating their hat. The first time I was only sorta right so no hat was digested.

I think that the writers know where they want to go, but they have no idea how to get there without trudging through the dreaded Fire Swamp.

[RickZarber]

My favorite part about Smallville is how apparent it is that none of the writers have the first clue about how computers work. Or rather they would, if computers were magic.

It's insane how much the script consists of: "[FULL RECAP OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED] and that means [BAD THING WILL HAPPEN], so I'll just [TECHNO JARGON] until you can [PUNCH BAD GUYS / NOT DO ANYTHING]."

And that's not even touching on the Superman element.

[Fifthfiend]

brb HACKING THE GOVERMENT

I'm gonna call it right now. People are not going to trust Clark,maybe even be a little scared by him, while he is in that awful costume, so he'll start wearing brighter colors so as to seem more friendly. And that ends with him going around in tights to please the women and intimidate the criminals.

The heels are probably for the inevitable musical episode.

I like you kid, you've got moxie.

[01d55]

As measured relative to lifespan the "talking about spoilers" tag has been used literally infinity times more than the actual fucking spoilerbox tag for the purpose of spoilering spoilers.

By which I mean that the former has happened twice now compared to the latter's never in all of forum history.

http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?p=817669#post817669
I commend both your insightful viewpoint and your correct and appropriate use of the spoiler2 tag

[The Gunslinger]

I think its time they pull this show off the air and give us 'Wayne' or 'Gotham' like they wanted. If done right it could serve as an okay prequel to the Nolan's films, and who doesn't want to see a teenage Bruce Wayne ditching the angst and manning up?

Wait... I just realized something. They're only using Green Arrow because Warner Bros. probably laughed at them for daring to suggest using Bruce.

[RickZarber]

Hey, we're getting The Graysons, isn't that enough?

[The Gunslinger]

Graysons, really? That's just lazy and stupid.

How in God's Name are they gonna make that into an actual show? If they do make the Graysons then I want HBO or Showtime to make Preacher.

[Nique]

I forgot about that... is that still actually happening because... A show about Robin would be pretty lame, and a show about Robin before he's Robin is weeeeeeaaaaaksauce.

[Archbio]

Don't even joke about that. That show's plug was pulled way back.

What about a show about little Bruce Wayne before his parents get murdered?

[Nique]

You suck and we all hate you.

[Mirai Gen]

Did The Graysons get laughed out of being used?

[The Gunslinger]

At this point I would take a Nightwing series over Smallville.

[Magic_Marker]

What about a show about little Bruce Wayne before his parents get murdered?

You rang?

http://www.the-isb.com/images/LilBruce03.jpg

I don't know what you're talking about 01d55, I didn't forget to post the link. (http://www.the-isb.com/?p=304)

[Marc v1.0]

God, it's like looking at someone's twisted mockery of Bruce Wayne's worst nightmares made manifest

In a fun house mirror.

[Archbio]

You rang?

I'm going to need a minute.

[01d55]

Hey Dubya-M, howsabout a little attribution (http://www.the-isb.com/?p=304) for your source?

[Magic_Marker]

01d55 is right, go the the isb, like, right now.

His best are Civil War in 30 Seconds. (http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2007/02/civil-war-in-30-seconds.html) and Infinite Crisis in Thirty Second (http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2006/05/infinite-crisis-in-thirty-seconds.html)

[The Gunslinger]

I'm not really sure how I'm supposed to take that... Its just so not right, that's just-

(Gunslinger has momentarily suffered a Heroic BSOD, we're sorry for the inconvenience and hope that you will continue reading his posts. Thank you.)

Can anybody tell me where to I can find a five gallon bucket of Extra-Strength Brain Bleach? No links were provided because I am not a sadistic jerk.

[Magus]

The reason for canceling the Graysons was that it "wasn't in line with [WB's] current view of the future of the property," i.e. people want stuff about Batman not Robin, and they want it to be dark and not upbeat like Smallville [used to be].

And now with Smallville they're going dark when people probably want stuff with Superman to be a little more upbeat.

They seem to keep trying to do the opposite of what they should. I'm glad they indefinitely postponed/canceled the Graysons because a pre-parental death Dick Grayson solving crimes with a traveling circus is a pretty lame idea.

[Fifthfiend]

01d55 is right, go the the isb, like, right now.

His best are Civil War in 30 Seconds. (http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2007/02/civil-war-in-30-seconds.html) and Infinite Crisis in Thirty Second (http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2006/05/infinite-crisis-in-thirty-seconds.html)

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/3841/751/400/128405/CWin30-04.jpg

I kind of want to find a way to fit this into an image-sig.

[The Gunslinger]

I second that motion.

I also call for something about Dick Grayson. Age 12.

[Magus]

Here's the five-minute attempt:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/921/civilwarisbparodysig2.jpg

Dunno if it meets sig image regulations (I don't have one of my own).

[The Gunslinger]

No Dick Grayson? Age Twelve.

[MFD]

I always preferred the last Li'l Bruce comic cover.

Anyways. The Graysons? Awesome in theory. In practice, though, it'd be Smallville with a circus.

[Magic_Marker]

In practice, though, it'd be Smallville with a circus.

I fail to see the fail. That would be the funniest show on television.

[Magus]

Really? Dick Grayson solving crimes with a traveling circus prior to meeting Batman sounds good on paper?

Are you one of those people who thinks that Batman learning his skills from circus acrobats was way cooler than learning his skills from ninjas? :D

[The Gunslinger]

Dick Grayson, Age 12, should not get a show by any means. Dick Grayson, Age 20-Something, as an independant Nightwing would kick ass.

They could also go with the Flash. I would love to see an episode where has to deal with super speed without all the secondary powers. It would be an intelligent way to limit his powers and create some tension.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Without the secondary powers he could probably only go about 50 kph or so before he started doing himself damage. So basically he could set some running world records. And that probably about it.

[Nique]

Ahh the Speed Force. Seriously DC, what the hell?

[The Gunslinger]

Okay, maybe just the secondary powers that keep him from killing himself. And we do not talk about the Speed Force and all that stupidity.
Smallville really needs to get back towards its roots. Just focus on how Clark uses his powers and how that screws with his life. No French/Chinese witches, secret organizations, or, ugh, bio-super power suits. If they had it on for Lana that bad, they could have come up with another reason to power her up. I cheered when Lex (or Zod/whatever that was) stabbed her.

[CABAL49]

I highly doubt Lex is gone for good. Without him there is no Superman.

[Nique]

No French/Chinese witches, secret organizations, or, ugh, bio-super power suits.

So just take the French, the Chinese, any nature worshipers, Extremist-Islamics and Robots out of the show? I cry 'intolerance'!

[The Gunslinger]

I just think that they should introduce something that at least sounds good on paper.

And I'm okay with robots as long as they don't screw up Metallo by making him into a human fused with Kryptonian technological upgrades. He's a cyborg, like Cyborg, its to simple to screw up so it'll be great to see how they do it.

[Nique]

Which is apparently an all-white cast? Nah I'm jerking your chain, you're a great sport and probably not racist at all!

Yes Lana as a witch = Stupid. Any secret organizations, mystic or otherwise (other than Intergang or Government black-ops) are equally bad ideas. And actually Robots and mechs? Couldn've used a bit more of that on Smallville.

[The Gunslinger]

The only reason that they're mostly white is because actors of other races have much more self respect than the entire cast of Smallville. Welling was in Cheaper by the Dozen, Durance was in an Uwe Boll movie, and Witwer had a bit role in gamer and was the voice and face of Vader's Apprentice. No self respect... well, Witwer got a cool job at least once.

I think Live Wire has the potential for a cool interpretation.

[Krylo]

as long as they don't screw up Metallo by making him into a human fused with Kryptonian technological upgrades. He's a cyborg

...

So, what's the difference here, other than the word Kryptonian?

Heck, if you take kryptonian to mean 'with kryptonite' instead of 'from krypton' I'm seeing even less of one.

[Mirai Gen]

I think you mean "Robot", Gunslinger. Cyborgs are human/robots.

[Krylo]

I actually thought Metallo was a cyborg, in the loosest sense. Wasn't he human at one point and shoved into a robot body?

Or am I thinking of some other superman villain?

Though, I do admit, I get a little annoyed at how it's increasingly common to call cyborgs robots and vice versa, but I don't think Guns was making that mistake, as he compared him to Cyborg, who is most definitely a human/machine hybrid.

[NonCon]

Though, I do admit, I get a little annoyed at how it's increasingly common to call cyborgs robots and vice versa

That statement with your sig makes you my favorite person.

[Fifthfiend]

Technically, Metallo is an android!

EDIT No wait my bad. Basically what I'm not clear on is if Metallo is a human brain transplanted into a robot body (Cyborg!) or a human mind imprinted on a robot brain/body (Android!). Basically if there's pieces of him in there that he grew himself then he's the former, if he comes with the bumper-to-bumper factory warranty, the latter.

[Krylo]

Technically, Metallo is an android!

Hold on while I look this up...

Yeah, nope, see, an android is a full robot built to look/act like a human.

A (non-android) robot is like the ford assembly line robots.

A cyborg is a combination of human and robot parts.

As that metallo has a human brain, he, technically, falls under cyborg. I guess you could make an argument that he's SO MUCH robot now that he'd fall more toward android, but ehhhhhhhh. Human parts = cyborg so far as I'm concerned.


That statement with your sig makes you my favorite person.

D'awwwww <3 you too nonsie.

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah naw my bad. Basically what I'm not clear on is if Metallo is a human brain transplanted into a robot body (Cyborg!) or a human mind imprinted on a robot brain/body (Android!). If there's pieces of him in there that he grew himself then he's the former, if he comes with the bumper-to-bumper factory warranty, the latter.

[Krylo]

True.

I guess it is pretty gray area on that.

Whatever, the important part is Metallo has a chunk of Kryptonite for a power source and is awesome.

[The Gunslinger]

From the pictures I have seen, they're going with the cyborg powered by Kryptonite. There's no need to argue over semantics.

[Krylo]

But...

If we didn't argue over semantics no one would ever post anything ever.

[Fifthfiend]

But...

If we didn't argue over semantics no one would ever post anything ever.

I disagree!!

[NonCon]

I disagree!!

Well, maybe I can take your disagreement seriously when you stop using a strawman. :rolleyes:

[The Gunslinger]

I just realized that I said that on this forum. And people would still post. We still have to belittle people and call them stupid from the safety of our own homes and/or ivory towders, don't we?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Most of my posts comes from my mighty ivory tower. Gaze upon it and despair!

[The Gunslinger]

Oh god. After Supernatural went to commercial last week, a friend of mine saw a promo that tried to paint Smallville as "dark." *shudder*
.............
Fine! I watch Supernatural and I don't care who knows!!

[Nique]

Fine! I watch Supernatural and I don't care who knows!!

Maybe you should. We're all worried about you. :(

[Magus]

I watch Legend of the Seeker so I certainly can't call you out on liking Supernatural...well maybe I can, seriously, you watch Supernatural? Even I don't watch that, and I watch Legend of the Seeker! :D

[The Gunslinger]

Tons of, uh, normal people watch Supernatural and at the very least we're on the same level as Legend of the Seeker!

And we're all above those damn Gossip Girl fans.

Back to Smallville, is there any chance that the writers are gonna be able to pull this out of the rubbage bin?

[BloodyMage]

Supernatural is awesome. It might just be that they used 'Don't fear the reaper' in an episodes, or their use of 'Renegade' by Styx in another but really if I had to put it down to anything it'd be that the storyline isn't stupid and doesn't make me cringe. The characters are very angsty though.

I stopped watching Smallville though because, while the main character is as angsty, the storylines were stupid and made me cringe.

[Arhra]

True.

I guess it is pretty gray area on that.

Whatever, the important part is Metallo has a chunk of Kryptonite for a power source and is awesome.
Man, remember when Superman fought Metallo in that old Lois and Clark TV show?

Superman eventually figured out that while getting close to Metallo horribly rapes him, Metallo couldn't jump. So he hovered out of reach and used his heat vision.

The creators of Metallo's body regretted not installing super leaping ability.

Hilarious.

[The Gunslinger]

I would give you my kidneys AND eat my hat if you could provide a link for that.

And we don't need Clark getting raped. It would probably be hilarious at the moment but they would probably use it as an excuse to dial-up the angst...

Screw it, they should do it anyway.