A mildly interesting bit of Ninja Turtles news.

[Fifthfiend]

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4872/tmntf.jpg

I swear to God.

[Nique]

Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that a mix of the Oldskool Turtles in the background and their dubious next-gen clones from the more recent series in the foreground?

psuedoEDIT: Btw, 'Sometimes Four Ninja Turtles Aren't Enough'? What?

[Viridis]

Time travel? Wonderful. Just... wonderful.

[Tev]

It is the old school turtles, Turtle Blimp and all! Also the two monsters flanking them in the shadows look like animated versions of the two mutations from the movie with Vanilla Ice in it.

Shredder: "Wolf....Snapping Turtle.....yessssss......"
It all goes downhill from there really.

[Meister]

I thought of something else when I saw the "four not enough" line, but I take it there's an agreement never to mention Venus again?

[Eltargrim]

What the fuck, Meister. We had a deal.

[Meister]

See, I was joking, but as far as Peter Laird is concerned it's apparently 100% accurate.

After a grueling battle the TMNT were finding it hard to deal with their losses when suddenly the character retroactively ceased to exist; the Rat King had still destroyed their lair, but suddenly there were only four turtles again. [...] In a 2007 interview[1], director Kevin Munroe elaborated on the instructions Peter Laird gave to him for TMNT. Munroe admitted that among those rules was, "There’s absolutely no mention of Venus de Milo, the female Turtle. You can’t even joke about that with Peter. It’s just one of those things that he hates with a passion."

[Fifthfiend]

Everyone wondering if this is what it looks like:

It is exactly what it looks like (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/08/31/turtles-forever-crossover-movie-combines-80s-and-00s-teenage/).

[bluestarultor]

I thought of something else when I saw the "four not enough" line, but I take it there's an agreement never to mention Venus again?

Venus in concept (a female turtle) could have been okay if they'd just handled it decently. The entire stereotypical Asian Engrish-speaker was a poor choice. If they'd handled it more like Angela from Gargoyles, as in a new female member of the team that everyone can adolescently compete over, it could have fit in with the whole teenage thing and been a bit more believable than throwing in the only known female of the species and everyone treating her like their long-lost fifth brother who just needs a few grammar tips on occasion.

Also, did they even bother to explain where she came from (other than apparently somewhere in Asia which by no means resembles anything true to modern life)?

That said, it's been years since I saw the movie, so my memory on the entire subject could be a bit off. I don't even remember what weaponry she used, so take this tirade with a grain of salt.

Edit: The snap? That was a SERIES? Dang! I thought it was a fifth movie! :confused:

[Julford Hajime]

*Looks at the shadows on the buildings*

Shredder and Krang on the left side, and... Four more turtles on the right side?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

The link above says the guys on the right are the original comicbook turtles.
I need more turtle van and technodrome.
But I am quite intrigued. One would think they would have to target it towards the older crowd who watched the original cartoons as it would confuse the new crowd who only know the new cartoons and would be like "These 'new' turtles are wacky as shits. Where are there radical boards and killer tude?" . But the new turtles are center poster so I don't know.

[Archbio]

One would think they would have to target it towards the older crowd who watched the original cartoons as it would confuse the new crowd who only know the new cartoons and would be like "These 'new' turtles are wacky as shits. Where are there radical boards and killer tude?" . But the new turtles are center poster so I don't know.


Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is that a mix of the Oldskool Turtles in the background and their dubious next-gen clones from the more recent series in the foreground?

Statements like these make me feel like the entire franchise is a social experiment, I swear to Dog.

Chronologically it goes Not Really Wacky - Wacky - Not so Wacky. Appeals to "old schoolness" are silly in the context of praising the old cartoon versions as the original and the standard for ninja turtleness.

I think the project itself is too meta for me.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Statements like these make me feel like the entire franchise is a social experiment, I swear to Dog.

Chronologically it goes Not Really Wacky - Wacky - Not so Wacky. Appeals to "old schoolness" are silly in the context of praising the old cartoon versions as the original and the standard for ninja turtleness.

I think the project itself is too meta for me.

Clearly the cartoons are the original because otherwise you would have to read comics and that would make you a......*nerd*.

[Archbio]

"Ninja Turtle Theater featuring awesome action figures (from circa 1988)" is the original.

[Meister]

One would think they would have to target it towards the older crowd who watched the original cartoons as it would confuse the new crowd who only know the new cartoons and would be like "These 'new' turtles are wacky as shits. Where are there radical boards and killer tude?" . But the new turtles are center poster so I don't know.
Easy, you put those elements in the most prominent spot that draw the most attention, from the most people, in the timeframe where the poster gets published. The older crowd still notices the old wacky Turtles easily.

[Mirai Gen]

Saw this on Willis' twitter last week. "Crisis on Infinite Turtles" indeed.

[krogothwolf]

Turtle Turtle Turtle!

Where are RockSteady and Bebop though? :(

Or even Miyamoto Usagi, the comic version. That was a great comic

[Tev]

Where are RockSteady and Bebop though? :(Looking at the poster it looks like they are getting pre-empted by the duo from the Second Movie, Tokka and Rahzar.

[Meister]

The message being "We're not half-assing this 'return of the wackiness' thing."

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Oh yeah, you people are just hearing about this? Okay...

Anyway, suggest you check out this YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5iy1CMr--Q&feature=player_embedded). From what I've been hearing, they won't be having any of the original voice actors for the old school Turtles. Something to do with Union Vs. Non-Union actors.

The attached YouTube I think comes from Comic Con, but I didn't personally hear it, so I can't confirm. Anyway, it gives you an idea of what to expect.

SWB

[bluestarultor]

Oh yeah, you people are just hearing about this? Okay...

Anyway, suggest you check out this YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5iy1CMr--Q&feature=player_embedded). From what I've been hearing, they won't be having any of the original voice actors for the old school Turtles. Something to do with Union Vs. Non-Union actors.

The attached YouTube I think comes from Comic Con, but I didn't personally hear it, so I can't confirm. Anyway, it gives you an idea of what to expect.

SWB

WTF? But it's Cam fucking Clarke (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0164682/)! And to a lesser extent, Rob Paulsen (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0667326/). Here's the original series cast list at IMDB, for those too lazy to look it up: link (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131613/fullcredits#cast).

Unless they're hiring scabs or something, I really see no reason the original cast couldn't be at least partly brought back.

[krogothwolf]

Theres a crap load of stupid legal mumbo jumbo with Union VA's. The fact VA have alternate names to take other jobs just shows how strange it is.

[Magus]

I saw that CGI TMNT movie recently and it wasn't that bad, actually. I was fairly surprised. It fell apart by the end but up until that point I was entertained.

This looks like a straight-to-DVD thing at this point, though...or at least it should be.

But y'know. Sometimes. Four Turtles? Just not enough. I guess. Besides referencing the cross-dimensional team-up, this is also going to be the fifth movie, right? Y'know. After the fourth one. It's pretty punny.

[InThroughTheOutDoor]

Oh yeah, you people are just hearing about this? Okay...

Anyway, suggest you check out this YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5iy1CMr--Q&feature=player_embedded). From what I've been hearing, they won't be having any of the original voice actors for the old school Turtles. Something to do with Union Vs. Non-Union actors.

The attached YouTube I think comes from Comic Con, but I didn't personally hear it, so I can't confirm. Anyway, it gives you an idea of what to expect.

SWB


Krang sounds great but the turtles just aren't the same now, especially Leo holy shit awful was he even trying? Old turtles bend new turtles over ftw.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Well this is... interesting. I'm interested in seeing how this all plays out.

Also I hope they do put bebop and Rocksteady in this. I miss those two.

[EVILNess]

You can make fun of me if you want, but I am super stoked about this.

I squealed when I saw the poster, then squealed again when I read further and found out it wasn't a photoshop.

[Arcanum Darkfire]

This looks like a straight-to-DVD thing at this point, though...or at least it should be.

According to SWB's youtube link the movie will air on TV, specifically CW4Kids. So it's not even going to DVD, at least not yet.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

You can make fun of me if you want, but I am super stoked about this.

I squealed when I saw the poster, then squealed again when I read further and found out it wasn't a photoshop.

I doubt anyone here could make fun of you with a straight face for liking this idea.

In fact, is anyone here even against this whole old and new school team up thing at all? It's safe to say that most of us are interested in seeing this, just to see how it all plays out.

EDIT:
Wow this the first time I've ever posted on here more then 6 times in one day! O_o I must be getting use to the this place now.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

While the idea is awesome there is no way this will work at all. I can't see it being anything other than a giant trainwreck.
Like a normal trainwreck, not a turtle-train wreck which would be sweet.

[NonCon]

In the first ten minutes the new turtles die and we just watch a full length movie about the original ones.

[Aerozord]

I loved both series, though both most definitely tanked at the end, but I liked them for different reasons. I dont think they are compatable. The reason the shows both worked is the turtles fit with the world and storyline they were in and they weren't in the same world or storyline. Take them out of it and it wont work.

Though the basis of the characters are all the same, but thats basically why it wouldn't work on that level either. The fine details make them fit well with their setting, but the basics of who they are is the same, it would be just having the same four people twice. They are so much alike there wouldn't even be any interesting interplay between the characters.

[EVILNess]

I am doubly excited about this because looking at the poster makes me think the Mirage comics turtles might make an appearance.

It's like I'm 6 again, and not even this movie sucking beyond all reason could make me unhappy.

[Magic_Marker]

This is now the best thing ever.

I doubt there is a way this could suck, like at all. Even if it sucks I predict it will at least fall into "So Bad Its Good" and will likely fall into "So Good its Awesome."

[Fifthfiend]

I am doubly excited about this because looking at the poster makes me think the Mirage comics turtles might make an appearance.

Yeah if you look at the bigger version of that image that is floating around somewhere it is them on the upper right rooftop.

EDIT: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2592/3863691327_0e287ca5ae_b.jpg

[EVILNess]

You guys have no clue how much I am geeking out over this. I almost hyper-ventilate every time I see the poster Fifth posted.

[Archbio]

Is that goofy cartoon shredder and Krang on the right rooftop, and the (somewhat) less goofy Krang/Shredder cartoon meld in the middle?

And... could the big sphere thing with a red eye shape in the middle be an updated technodrome?!

Freak out!

[Fifthfiend]

If they don't have the Technodrome in this thing or worse have the Technodrome but it doesn't fucking do anything like they did for nine goddamn years I will literally murder everyone involved with this production.

[Corel]

The Mirage Turtles are in this?

Bwhaha, oh man. I just wished I could have sat in on the meeting where this idea was pitched, trying to keep a straight face whilst they were trying to justify this was a good direction to take the franchise.

It's so bad it's going to be so good.

[01d55]

The Mirage Turtles are in this?

Bwhaha, oh man. I just wished I could have sat in on the meeting where this idea was pitched, trying to keep a straight face whilst they were trying to justify why this was this was a good direction to take the franchise.

It's so bad it's going to be so good.

I've never heard of the mirage turtles but it's hard to imagine how they could do anything to this movie that the classic 'toon turtles haven't already.

[Mirai Gen]

Except the Mirage turtles would butcher all of the other turtles in cold blood. (ba dum tish)

Seriously eight is more than enough, twelve is just overdoing it.

[Corel]

I've never heard of the mirage turtles but it's hard to imagine how they could do anything to this movie that the classic 'toon turtles haven't already.

Say goodbye to your childhood aspirations. (http://www.ninjaturtles.com/comics/mirage/one/pg01.htm)

[EVILNess]

Seriously eight is more than enough, twelve is just overdoing it.

Lies. Scandalous, hateful lies.

Also, the Mirage turtles are the TMNT from the comics by Mirage studios.

If they are indeed in the movie, I must wonder if they are in their 30s like they are in the current volume of comics. Also, yeah the Mirage turtles are a tad more hardcore than their Saturday morning counterparts.

I mean, Leo decapitates many, many people. The Shredder included.

[Mirai Gen]

Yeah to say that the hard-bitten E+L Mirage Studios TMNT gang would be a tad conflicting with the "WOAH DUDE" 80s turtles and whatever-the-hell-2000s turtles is an underestimate.

[Archbio]

Bwhaha, oh man. I just wished I could have sat in on the meeting where this idea was pitched, trying to keep a straight face whilst they were trying to justify why this was this was a good direction to take the franchise.

Care to elaborate on that? They were great.

If they don't have the Technodrome in this thing or worse have the Technodrome but it doesn't fucking do anything like they did for nine goddamn years I will literally murder everyone involved with this production.

I was thinking along the lines of hexing them, but yeah, same sentiment.

Technodrome!

[Corel]

Care to elaborate on that? They were great.


Multi dimension crossover of the franchise. It's like Flintstones meets the Jetsons, but with Ninjas. With themselves. Or even worse the Alvin and the Chipmunks special where they met themselves. It sounds down right barmy just saying it.

I'm not saying it's not going to be entertaining, but I can't see this going any other way but being so awful it's going to be great.

[Archbio]

Multi dimension crossover of the franchise. It's like Flintstones meets the Jetsons, but with Ninjas. With themselves. Or even worse the Alvin and the Chipmunks special where they met themselves. It sounds down right barmy just saying it.

Ah! I thought you meant the Mirage turtles in particular, because with this I agree. I mean, my suspension of disbelief has a hard enough time with talking, humanoid turtles trained in martial arts, but this just seems like it's going to break that suspension over its knee.

Yet... technodrome! Which might do something!

[01d55]

I am totally unimpressed by that comic.

[RickZarber]

A thought occurs.

TMNT finally showed us who would win in a Leo vs Raph fight.

Might Turtles Forever settle the matter of which cartoon Raph might beat the other?

[Magus]

That Mirage comic is pretty horrifying. It looks like something that would occur in Frank Miller's wet dream.

"I wanted to have a hardcore, take-no-prisoners take on the Turtles. But I also wanted all the goofy stuff that made it the Turtles, such as the Turtle Van (don't worry, it has a spiked cowcatcher and whirling blades on the side) and a love of pizza (but topped with steroids and methamphetamines in order to give them a fighting edge)."

Also, I'm starting to think that, sometimes, twelve Turtles isn't enough. I'm sure there will be at least 16 Turtles in this. Maybe some of them will be evil Turtles from an evil dimension, though (the Mirage ones might fit).

[Bob the Mercenary]

Who else had this pop into their head?

Big Apple: 3AM

[Edit] Also, yes I am super geeking out right now. Though why does there always have to be some underground/unreleased/import comic of everything I've ever had an interest in? I never knew there was a Turtles comic. Next thing I know there's going to be a fucking Calvin and Hobbes manga.

[Intern Nin]

That Mirage comic is pretty horrifying. It looks like something that would occur in Frank Miller's wet dream.
Thing you gotta remember about that comic, it started off as a satire of comic books at the time (Frank Miller's work, particularly the Ronin series, and X-men) and at the same time was kind of valentine to Jack Kirby (Whom both the creators were fans of). And as time wore on and the comic became more popular, they did tone down on the amount of the ol' ultra-violence the turtles would dole out. They were the heroes of the comic and heroes don't just go around killing for no reason. Cept when it comes to the Foot, but fuck those guys.

And while I'm here rambling,
Might Turtles Forever settle the matter of which cartoon Raph might beat the other?
80's Raph would win. No contest. I'm not being a fanboy, it's just the truth.

[Mirai Gen]

Yeah, IN beat me to it. http://www.heavymetal.com/images/channels/tmnt/full/07.jpg then look at http://wpcontent.answers.com/wikipedia/en/9/9f/Ronin1.jpgMiller you can see the similarities, except one's about anthropomorphic turtles and is therefore more hilarious as a parody.

After about the second volume they turn much more goofy and funny, especially when the time-travelling ditzy blonde appears. EDIT: That's about the time they start saying "duuuuude" too.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

That Mirage comic is pretty horrifying. It looks like something that would occur in Frank Miller's wet dream.

"I wanted to have a hardcore, take-no-prisoners take on the Turtles. But I also wanted all the goofy stuff that made it the Turtles, such as the Turtle Van (don't worry, it has a spiked cowcatcher and whirling blades on the side) and a love of pizza (but topped with steroids and methamphetamines in order to give them a fighting edge)."

Also, I'm starting to think that, sometimes, twelve Turtles isn't enough. I'm sure there will be at least 16 Turtles in this. Maybe some of them will be evil Turtles from an evil dimension, though (the Mirage ones might fit).

Ah you realise the comic was the original right? The TV shows was adapted from them.

Also surely this is supposed to be a kids movie, like the cartoons are aimed at, but I don't see how you can do that with the comic turtles unless you make them real incompetent or something.

[EVILNess]

I envision 80's Raph annoying the crap out of 03 Raph, since he basically has the same personality as 03 Mikey.

[Magus]

Yeah but I mean I've read some of the later comics and they weren't that grim. I don't know if it was the success of the cartoon and movies that made them tone down the comic as well, though.

It isn't so much that it was dark it's that it just didn't seem that great at being dark. But I guess everything has to start somewhere.

[Regulus Tera]

SHIT GODDAMMIT IT WAS TODAY AND I FORGOT TO WATCH IT

FUCK

[Kyanbu The Legend]

They are airing it over and over again every saturday at 10:30 am on the CW for the next 3 weeks. So your good.

Anyway I saw it today. And the whole cross over thing worked out very well. Both the 80s and original mirage comic turtles personalities were 98% faithful to their respective original sources. And it was kind of funny to learn that the TMNT's Eutron Shredder is not only the main big bad but the most dangerous, most violent, and most psychotic of all the Shredders. He even makes Mirage Comic's Shredder look like a joke in terms of threat level. Being that he almost succeeds in destroying the entire turtle multi verse had it not been for the most unexpected turn around that made me really, REALLY want to watch the 80s turtles again. I won't tell you guy what it was so you'll have to wait till next week or see if 4kids uploaded it on the net to see what happened.

[Regulus Tera]

Question: Is it true the anime Turtles are in the special?

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Question: Is it true the anime Turtles are in the special?

They may have appeared earlier in the movie but I didn't see any anime style turtles during the second half of the movie. See I missed the first half of it so I'm not sure what you mean by the Anime Turtles. If your talking about them using the back to the sewers design for the TMNT turtles then no they didn't use them. They used there old TMNT season 1 designs with a bit of an artist quality boost.

However when Shredder was about to kill the TMNT and 80s Turtles, he did say that he discovered that there are many worlds filled with turtles along with showing them a small image gallery of each group of turtles although the images were too small to really make out.

After a bit of googleling I see what you mean. Again they may have appeared torwards the beginning, but I didn't see them during the last half of the movie.

[Regulus Tera]

I mean the Saint Seiya-like turtles with snazzy armours from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGMfb60lc14&fmt=18).

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Oh you mean those Anime Turtles. Yeah like I said they may have appeared near the beginning being that it's just the 80s turtles with upgrades. But I did not see them at all during the second half of the movie.

[Bob the Mercenary]

I thought it was awesome for the most part. The constant allusions to the 90s series had me laughing, especially how they solve all of their problems by throwing garbage cans. xD

But SO MANY PLOT DEVICES OH MY GOD! I know it's a kid's show and all, but still, they can just make a trans-dimensional beam with a screwdriver? Granted, he's Donatello and he "does machines".

Also, "Who are you looking at? There's no one there!"

[Regulus Tera]

Thank God for Youtube, that was fucking amazing.

[POS Industries]

I mean the Saint Seiya-like turtles with snazzy armours from this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGMfb60lc14&fmt=18).
What I love about that is that the 1987 cartoon Turtles being magically transformed into some ridiculous anime bastardization is a plot point.

But man, this movie. This fucking movie. Any time that I thought it couldn't get any more awesome, it immediately got more awesome.

[Naqel]

Just watched the movie.

Words escape me.