Inglorious Basterds

[BitVyper]

Well, I just got back from it, and I have to say I think that's about the best thing I've seen from Tarantino period. Everything was just fantastic, especially the antagonist that SS guy - I missed his name. The guy who played him was phenomenal. Every line was delivered perfectly, and the lines themselves were very well written.

So yeah, I pretty much just loved this movie. What did everyone else think?

[NMR]

I agree on the whole loving the movie part. The jokes are few, but so great you have to respect them. I mean, everyone gave a spectacular performance. I agree with you for what's-his-face SS guy. His performance made me a little giddy. I also think Brad Pitt also gave us a amazing performance.

And then the ending just oh so wrapped it beautifully.

"This just might be my masterpiece," If I remember correctly.

[Seil]

If you're going in to see the film, historically accurate it 'aint. And violent. Remember that scene where a Basterd is gently stroking a Germans face with his baseball bat? Yeah...

It was an action-packed adventure, but my friend Shyrn had a few complaints.

[Arcanum Darkfire]

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as well. However when I went to go see it I thought that it would be historically accurate so the ending really surprised me. I was thinking "Oh man it sucks that you know their plan isn't going to work because that's not how the war ended... Oh snap I was wrong, that did work and Hitler's face now looks like mashed potatoes."

So yeah, I was really impressed by it.

[BloodyMage]

If you're going in to see the film, historically accurate it 'aint. And violent. Remember that scene where a Basterd is gently stroking a Germans face with his baseball bat? Yeah...

It was an action-packed adventure, but my friend Shyrn had a few complaints.

I thoroughly enjoyed the movie as well. However when I went to go see it I thought that it would be historically accurate so the ending really surprised me. I was thinking "Oh man it sucks that you know their plan isn't going to work because that's not how the war ended... Oh snap I was wrong, that did work and Hitler's face now looks like mashed potatoes."

So yeah, I was really impressed by it.

QFT. I remember sitting in the cinema, disliking it slightly because he seemed to be writing himself in to a corner where something ridiculously contrived would have to save the day, but realising it just wasn't historically accurate made me appreciate the whole thing all the more. I was also expecting it to be out of chronological order though, so overall I was pleasantly surprised with this movie. It was very good.

[InThroughTheOutDoor]

I have come to expect a certain level of quality from QT and damn if he did not disappoint one bit! The jokes were hilarious and well delivered although sparse. The action was over the top violent which lets face it is par the course for Tino, anyone catch Hitler's face being blown into swiss cheese? The last act with the surrendering of the SS Officer, well who didn't see it coming but who cares is was awesome! My second favorite Tarantino film of all time, first being Pulp Fiction of course and 3rd being both Kill Bill's since I count them as one long movie.

[Azisien]

I had minor trepidations going to the movie because a couple people I had talked to beforehand were not so impressed. And IGN sure didn't seem too keen on it. That's not good either since my usual score for IGN is "IGN Score - 1.5 = closer to actual score."

But, then I went and saw the movie anyway because the trailer's still awesome and hey so was Kill Bill.

And I did really like it. I was expecting a bit more action, but the story in its place was still good. Colonel Landa, or rather the actor's performance, is certainly Oscar worthy. One of the best movie villains in recent memory. Some of the comedy was awesome.

I was expecting a bit more actual Inglorious Basterds, and a little more out of Hugo Schlitz. So I guess a disappointment over the amount of action/basterdry cleverly balanced by great Tarantino dialogue and humour.

8/10!

[Fifthfiend]

Hey ITTOD we got these things we call spoiler tags you are gonna better wanna start using them if you are gonna drop some big-deal shit about a movie like Hitler fuckin' dying in it.

[Aerozord]

why would people think it would be historically accurate? Looking at the trailers it seemed rather clear it was at most satirical

[BitVyper]

It isn't satirical. Just to be clear for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Rather. I don't think I'd call it satire.

[Fifthfiend]

why would people think it would be historically accurate? Looking at the trailers it seemed rather clear it was at most satirical

Dude with this movie we are talking about a level of "not historically accurate" that the most satirical of satires would not usually dream of approaching.

Yes most people would go to this movie expecting them to fudge many if not most if not all of the details of World War Doubleyou Doubleyou Two but pretty much nobody is going to expect them to shoot motherfucking Hitler to death in a movie theater.

[Funka Genocide]

you know, I really should know better than to read a thread about a movie I was really excited to see.

fuck!

[Fifthfiend]

Man I am sincerely sorry you had to have that given away.

[Magus]

I thought the pacing of the film was a bit off, I also think there's about a half-hour of the actual Inglorious Basterds just killing random Nazis missing, though I suppose all the characters were indeed supposed to be Inglorious Basterds. Also the scene where Hitler and Goebbels and the others are replaced with doubles by the surviving German high command was missing. I mean obviously you don't have to be historically accurate but I'd expect something made up to explain it rather than the audience just having to chalk it up to an alternate universe. Well, from any other director, I suppose. I mean, I know suicide in a bunker is anti-climactic so I'm not faulting his choice, it's just his lack of presenting an explanation for it.

Also the relation to spaghetti westerns seemed tenuous at best. You can't just stick the music in and expect the scene to match-up, because all it did was make me go, "This isn't anything like that scene, really". Like at the beginning where the one Jewish girl is running away from the house and Landa is aiming his gun at her, you expect him to shoot her at an extreme distance ala For A Few Dollars More but it doesn't happen. That scene was mainly like the opening to The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly, if anything. Then the later scene where we first see the Inglorious Basterds in action, with the Nazi bodies lying around, if we go according to the music was supposed to be like the early death scene in Once Upon A Time In The West, but once again it doesn't match up because we don't really care about a bunch of dead Nazis. It just ends up being nice music to go with the scene as opposed to an actual reference to something.

Anyway, despite the lack of the film actually referring to the movies it was supposed to refer to (there are probably many more I haven't seen that it succeeds in doing so with), I of course enjoyed the film for its humor and over-the-top violence, though I thought it definitely needed to be paced a bit faster. I understand the attempt was to keep us tense about the fate of the characters involved (will he recognize her? Will they all end up shooting each other to death? etc.), but at the time it just felt a little dragging. More scenes with the Basterds themselves would've made the film even more enjoyable.

EDIT: Also about the ending being given away, Roger Ebert himself thought it was okay to do that because the film was screened at Cannes. Hey, guess what, Roger. I didn't go to Cannes! I'm not a freaking prestigious film reviewer! Sheesh.

I mean all he said was something like, "Of course the ending isn't historically accurate, this is Tarantino we're talking about (I don't feel sorry about giving that away since the film was screened at Cannes months ago)" and my mind working like it does went to the logical conclusion and was proven right. So it's quite annoying to even have people hint at the ending like that because of course I'm going to guess the correct answer, it's a Tarantino film!

[BitVyper]

I thought the pacing of the film was a bit off, I also think there's about a half-hour of the actual Inglorious Basterds just killing random Nazis missing, though I suppose all the characters were indeed supposed to be Inglorious Basterds. Also the scene where Hitler and Goebbels and the others are replaced with doubles by the surviving German high command was missing. I mean obviously you don't have to be historically accurate but I'd expect something made up to explain it rather than the audience just having to chalk it up to an alternate universe.

NO! Explaining it would have made it stupid.

[Magus]

Like I said Tarantino is the only director who can get away with not explaining it because you know his intent is simply to do it for shits and giggles.

[BitVyper]

No see, as long as it was done well, I would think that was awesome if any director had done it. I mean, you're going into a film genre where basically every movie ever made is a rehashing of the same damn events with the same damn conclusions, played up with the same overdramatic HEROES vibe, and going FUCK YOU HITLER DIES!!!!! TPK! ALL NAZIS ANNIHILATED! WAR OVER!

Hell, it would be better if it hadn't been Tarantino (er, that is to say if it was the same movie with a different director's name on it). 'Cause then you wouldn't be expecting anything like that.

And it didn't seem like the intent was shits and giggles at all when I watched it.

Edit: In fact, I think this actually has a different overall feel from Tarantino's usual fare. I mean, it's unmistakably his work, but it's more... his usual elements in a complete film. The dialogue especially feels smoother than usual for him. It's a movie that I think a non-Tarantino fan can enjoy.

[Bob the Mercenary]

Saw it last night. I remained up in bed until about 4am thinking "In the balls! In the balls!

I loved the tension building scenes, and really, both the opening scene and basement tavern scene deserve their own Oscars. Brad Pitt was hilarious, much bloodiness happened...I was pleased.

[Magus]

"Bon-gioorr-noo"

The tavern convo felt like it dragged a little long for me but I think that's the only one that just seemed a little too long. But the payoff was certainly there.

[Kerensky287]

I think the tavern was great because every time you thought they were going to get out according to plan, something happened to delay them a bit more until they ALL GOT SHOT.

[InsaneGenius]

I really liked the movie. Would have been better with more Basterds killing Nazis, though.

I don't mind the drawn out talky-scenes because the dub was great. Far better than I expected after seeing several dubs for other Tarantino films. I can't wait to see it in all it's original Glory anyway.

Also, I really don't like Til Schweiger, but Hugo Stiglitz sure should have done something that lives up to his reputation aside from him shooting some guy in the balls, several times, before getting shot..
The tavern scene still is my favorite, I think.

[Magus]

Dub? Is there a version where they don't speak German? Or something?

Also Hugo Stiglitz was shown brutally killing at least three SS officers. It seemed good enough. Hopefully there were scenes of the Basterds killing random Nazis cut from the theatrical film, though, because the movie needed more of it, as you and others have said.

EDIT: Oh, and during that particular scene in the tavern I seem to remember him going stab-crazy on one of the German soldiers. That was pretty brutal.

[InsaneGenius]

Yeah, but He should have laughed maniacally while doing it and he also could have stabbed two or three of the other guys before kicking the bucket. I mean, he's pretty much portrayed as a madman and the baddest thing he does is in a flashback.

Maybe the DVD release will have some more Basterds killing Nazis.

Dub? Is there a version where they don't speak German? Or something?

I mean the German dub.
I'm pretty sure the guys from the english speaking countries speak english in the original, as evidenced by some guy having to translate on the fly between Aldo and that random Nazi, which seems funny in the actual German version because everyone speaks German. Except the French. Damn... the French.

[Fifthfiend]

Why in the fuck would you dub that movie? That's seriously one of the dumber things I've ever heard. You really can't just like take off the fucking German subtitles, and then add some fucking English subtitles?

[Meister]

It's a tradition, they dub everything over here. Most times it really does make the movie worse. Me, I've refused to go anywhere but the undubbed theater in Berlin for years.

Oh, exception: some Jim Jarmusch movies, because apparently small-time arthouse distributors look at their material and recognize where it does and doesn't make sense to dub a movie, what a surprise. (Most notable example: Night on Earth but they do speak five different languages in that film and there's a lot of puns.)

e: VV Oh man, video game dubs are a whole other story. Although I think they're learning: Brütal Legend will not only have German and English audio here, they also got the same guy who usually dubs Jack Black for his role.

[Mirai Gen]

It's a tradition, they dub everything over here. Most times it really does make the movie worse.

That's....that's pretty awful. I remember linking you the German voiceovers for Velvet Assassin and how incredibly (pleasantly) surprised you were that it was actually really good.

[InsaneGenius]

Inglorious Basterds' German dub is good, though. In my opinion, but still, I was really surprised. The dialogue just feels like it flows naturally for once. In contrast to Pulp Fiction, to quote a movie from the same guy.
Also: The hell? You can't just fuck up iconic lines, at least make them retain the feel of the original, dammit. I mean, it's still the same message, but "Unsere Sprache? Sprichst du sie?" (Our language? Do you speak it?) Just doesn't get close to "English, Motherfucker! Do you speak it?" Most of the time the word "Motherfucker" is translated as "Wichser" (meaning wanker, but having more impact because Germans aren't British), Which would've been a much better choice than doing what they did GARBLDUBTRANSLATIONOFUNRELATEDFILMRARARBLRLGL
I could go on. But I wont.

[Meister]

You gotta admit that's a particularly tough line to translate. Translate it directly and part of the audience will involuntarily think "English? But they're speaking German." Change the reference from "English" to "German", though, and you'll get people thinking "why German, it's an US movie and just dubbed..." Working around the issue using the "our language" translation may lose a bit of impact, but it doesn't make the audience go off on a mental tangent about the dubbing process for two minutes.

HOSHIT DERAIL. Um, I can tie this into Inglourious Basterds by mentioning that as soon as you get a scene where an English- and a German-speaking character get together, particularly if it features on-site translation like the one you guys described, all that theory goes out the window and all you can do is just translate and dub the sucker and hope it won't be too rough in the end. Just be glad the days are over where they'd give characters that spoke German or with a German accent in the original some German dialect in the dub.

[InsaneGenius]

You gotta admit that's a particularly tough line to translate.
Yes.

HOSHIT DERAIL.
Fuck.

Inglourious Basterds
Does that mean that the movie is is full of German in the original? The stupid theaters of any surrounding towns don't show it in its original glory.
I just assumed that most of the German dialogue was English in the original... because... there's gotta be a LOT of german in that movie. English speaking characters aren't even on screen most of the time. I'd like to know... which language do they speak in the opening scene (aside from French) and in the tavern. Two scenes where a lot of talking goes on, supposedly in German. If that's the case, why did they dub it? Most Germans know at least a bit of English and the Film is already full of subtitles anyway, a few more wouldn't hurt.

[Meister]

This is where I admit that I'm going purely by descriptions from this thread and am gonna actually see the movie probably next week or so. >_>

[BitVyper]

Most times it really does make the movie worse

I like the German version of that one Ranma 1/2 opening song...

I think the German one is called Mit Der Sonne or something like that.

Does that mean that the movie is is full of German in the original?

There's a pretty even split between German and English with some French and a little Italian thrown in for good measure.

[Death by Stabbing]

If Toonami was still around...it would give it an 8 out of 10

but seriously this movie made me want to go out and beat up Nazis and I'm not usually a violent guy...

But it was just so satisfying to watch Nazis get killed (even if they were just actors)

I enjoyed myself quite a bit. My old man saw it with me I think he was expecting a more...let's say historically accurate account of WWII. As far as action it truly didn't disappoint also the characterization was quite good. You really get to like the Bastards.

It seemed like some scenes tended to drag on bit though like the Opening and the bar room one but ultimately it was a good film worth seeing but I don't know that I'll buy it on DVD.


There's a pretty even split between German and English with some French and a little Italian thrown in for good measure.

Also there's tons of French I mean the whole opening scene there? But yeah mostly German and English...some Italian but most of it not of the best quality ;)

DBS

[Meister]

Now that I've seen it I have to agree with Fifth, there's no reason to dub this movie and you'd think even a mainstream publisher would recognize that. It's bleedin' obvious.

I'd like to know... which language do they speak in the opening scene (aside from French) and in the tavern.
Opening scene: French and English, tavern scene: pretty much entirely German except for a few lines at the end. As a rule, all the German actors spent more time speaking German than anything else. The tavern scene was excellent by the way and probably the one most reminiscent of other Tarantino movies in that it's a tense scene where events slowly but steadily spiral out of control through pure coincidence. EDIT: And a loose cannon psychopath.

Hugo Stiglitz sure should have done something that lives up to his reputation
Quentin Tarantino: a director who makes me actively look forward to a scene with Til Schweiger in it. I have no idea how you even begin to pull that one off. Stiglitz' introduction was nothing less than brilliant. As for living up to his reputation, in the tavern scene you do briefly see him going to town with his knife.

Fun facts: might have mentioned this, but the Babelsberg film studios, where this was largely shot, are quite literally just down the road from where I live. And if I remember the website correctly, I saw this in the theater that owns the Zeiss Ikon projector you see in the climax.

[01d55]

So when did Germany relax its super-draconian censorship laws covering depiction of Nazis?

[Meister]

It's not quite so simple; let's just say this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_%C2%A7_86a) is a decent enough read on the subject and, for example, the Indiana Jones movies never had a problem either. The way nazis are depicted in Basterds probably helps, too.

[Archbio]

Oddly enough, I thought Kill Bill's French dub improved some of the dialogue.

[Marc v1.0]

"Say goodbye to your Nazi balls."

Best line.

[InsaneGenius]

"Say goodbye to your Nazi balls."

Best line.

That really was one of the best moments in the whole movie. The scene just goes on and on, then that stupid coincidence and that and then... BAYUM!

[Meister]

Genius, did you catch Bela B. in a cameo as an usher? Because I sure as hell didn't and I'd have thought I'd notice such a thing.

[InsaneGenius]

Genius, did you catch Bela B. in a cameo as an usher? Because I sure as hell didn't and I'd have thought I'd notice such a thing.
No, I missed that. Must've been a very very brief appearance, from behind.
Maybe, I was too busy watching out for Samuel L. Jackson, who didn't show up once n the movie. Because I remember there was talk about Sammy appearing in the movie.

[Meister]

Jackson was the narrator, so voicework only. Speaking of voicework cameos: remember when we see Landa talking to Aldo's superior on the radio? Harvey Keitel.

Using the [ss] tag has never been so appropriate and never will be again.

[Fifthfiend]

That really was one of the best moments in the whole movie. The scene just goes on and on, then that stupid coincidence and that and then... BAYUM!

I didn't really read that as a coincidence. The SS officer was really obviously suspicious and pushing for one of that group to let something slip.

Using the [ss] tag has never been so appropriate and never will be again.

I should totally edit something about Nazi spoilers into the description.

[InsaneGenius]

I didn't really read that as a coincidence. The SS officer was really obviously suspicious and pushing for one of that group to let something slip.

True, I didn't mean what happened directly before the incident, but rather their attempts to actually get up and leave interrupted each and every time. Maybe I don't remember it correctly, but I'm pretty sure those were coincidences. Letting aside the fact that it was in the script, of course. Now don't tell me that wasn't in the movie, because otherwise I'd have to worry about my brain.