"Live Action Alice In Wonderland" or "Johnny Depp Plays A Weird Ass Hatter"

[Seil]

http://movieblog.ugo.com/cm/ugo/images/alice-in-wonderland-mad-hatter.jpg

Like weird ass, amirite?

Anyhow, it the Poe thread, Aerozord said this:

Mad Hatter for example was a deranged serial killer

Which Rick took issue with. Discuss!

Perhaps Aero was referencing this? (http://juliele.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/alice_wallpaper_forest_1024redone6.jpg)

[Aerozord]

well I admit its second hand, but from my understanding the actual book is insanely dark. Mad Hatter being an example, being depicted in the Disney movie as wacky while in the book being psychotic. But as I said this is what I was told by someone I know thats read it, so I make no garentee to its accuracy

[stefan]

nonsense like this is pushing me closer and closer to writing a parody comic of the whole "ALICE AM GRIMDARK" concept that crosses wonderland with Fist of the North Star and Heavy Metal.


that said. Johnny Depp and Tim Burton need to be separated for the next, say, 10 years? also, Burton needs to be banned for that amount of time from making any adaptation or sequel of another work, so that maybe he can do something outside of his normal range.

[NonCon]

nonsense like this is pushing me closer and closer to writing a parody comic of the whole "ALICE AM GRIMDARK" concept that crosses wonderland with Fist of the North Star and Heavy Metal.

Keep in mind that Burton's grimdark is different from regular grimdark. Burton's grim dark has crazy colors and psychedelics.

Not really digging the Mad Hatter's look.

[Meister]

Three guesses who else is in this in a prominent role.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2qib5af.jpg

(e: that's what I get for copying image urls from other forums and not checking if they're actually separate images. Whatever. The table-breaking monstrosity stays.)

Also Alan Rickman (The Caterpillar), Stephen Fry (Cheshire Cat) Christopher Lee (Jabberwock) and, always one of my favourites, Crispin Glover. You certainly can't blame the casting if this goes wrong. Burton's obsession with day-glo Victorian aesthetics, maybe.

I'd rather see Alice in Wonderland by Terry Gilliam and Tim Burton go back to Batman, just for the sake of proving that you can make a more colorful Batman movie than Joel Schumacher. Johnny Depp as Joker and Helena Bonham-Carter as Harley Quinn and it's as good as done.

[Masked Jedi]

I was really looking forward to this movie until I saw the overabundance of Johnny Depp in the trailer. Now I'm mildly interested. And Aerozord, as my memory tells, the books are dark, but not much darker than the movie. They were children's novels, after all.

[NonCon]

There is going to be a Jabberwock? I'm all disappointed now. I liked not knowing what a Jabberwock looks like and as soon as I see the movie, good or bad, that will become my mental picture of a Jabberwock.

[Bells]

I was really looking forward to this movie until I saw the overabundance of Johnny Depp in the trailer. Now I'm mildly interested. And Aerozord, as my memory tells, the books are dark, but not much darker than the movie. They were children's novels, after all.

Well, yeah, but depends of the source you're going to use... the original ones are quite twisted.

I'm... not sure what to make of this movie yet though...

[Nique]

I feel like Tim Burton is eventually going to join the Frank Miller Self-Parody club if, indeed, he hasn't already.

[Aerozord]

I was really looking forward to this movie until I saw the overabundance of Johnny Depp in the trailer. Now I'm mildly interested. And Aerozord, as my memory tells, the books are dark, but not much darker than the movie. They were children's novels, after all.

well just because it is meant for children doesn't mean it isn't dark. Have you read the fairy tales by the brothers Grimm? I know adults I wouldn't tell those stories too.

Though from what Bells said sounds like it too went through adaption decay. Probably the more recent versions of the book have been made to more resemble the movie just as they did after Disney made movies of many old stories.

[RickZarber]

I bought the Annotated Alice and read that back in February, so this stuff is fairly fresh in my mind. I would say your source is mistaken, Aerozord: the Hatter is simply Mad, and not homicidal. ;) And while the books are rather twisted, I dunno if they are necessarily very dark. Certainly death is mentioned quite a lot (Off with their heads! and such) as well as some of the humor being rather black, but I wouldn't define it as the overall tone of the books. Mostly they are about word play and logic and math. (All the sequences of the second book, for instance, are equatable with a game of chess.)

In any case, there have never been (and likely will never be) very true adaptations of the Alice books. For one thing, they are incredibly episodic, with no over-arching story, so movies tend to pick and chose episodes or elements from both Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass and mix them up in random order. So with that in mind, I'm not overly bothered by whatever Tim Burton feels like doing to them. It'll be fascinating to watch, I'm sure.

[Xellos]

I have to say, I'm totally diggin' the cat.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/Alucardsman23/Random/chesirecat.jpg

Anyway, it is way too early for me to make a decision about this. Some of the visuals and possible plot elements made me raise an eyebrow or two (something about an Alice-Hatter romance?). But for the most part it looks pretty nifty and most of Tim Burton's movies end up winning me over in some way of another. I'll see it.

[Aerozord]

I have to say, I'm totally diggin' the cat.
http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc94/Alucardsman23/Random/chesirecat.jpg



well thats some grade A+ nightmare fuel, which is exactly what the Chesire Cat should be

[TheSparrow]

I bought the Annotated Alice and read that back in February, so this stuff is fairly fresh in my mind. I would say your source is mistaken, Aerozord: the Hatter is simply Mad, and not homicidal. ;) And while the books are rather twisted, I dunno if they are necessarily very dark. Certainly death is mentioned quite a lot (Off with their heads! and such) as well as some of the humor being rather black, but I wouldn't define it as the overall tone of the books. Mostly they are about word play and logic and math. (All the sequences of the second book, for instance, are equatable with a game of chess.)

In any case, there have never been (and likely will never be) very true adaptations of the Alice books. For one thing, they are incredibly episodic, with no over-arching story, so movies tend to pick and chose episodes or elements from both Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass and mix them up in random order. So with that in mind, I'm not overly bothered by whatever Tim Burton feels like doing to them. It'll be fascinating to watch, I'm sure.

I was pretty much going to say this, as Alice In Wonderland has always been one of my favorites despite the fact I am now 30. In fact my several copies of the book sit on the same shelf in my library with Hunter S. Thompson and Sun Tzu. Most people find my library to be exceedingly odd.

EDIT: As far as I have heard for the plot elements of the movie, this is actually supposed to be a revisiting of Alice. A 19yo Alice returns to Wonderland as an adult and faces off with the Red Queen.

[Preturbed]

EDIT: As far as I have heard for the plot elements of the movie, this is actually supposed to be a revisiting of Alice. A 19yo Alice returns to Wonderland as an adult and faces off with the Red Queen.

There's an original concept. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_based_on_Alice_in_Wonderland)

I think that, as a culture, we need to leave Wonderland alone for about 50 years.

[Kroze Gamegod]

There's an original concept. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_based_on_Alice_in_Wonderland)

I think that, as a culture, we need to leave Wonderland alone for about 50 years.

Well there have been SOME original takes on the world of Wonderland... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Looking_Glass_Wars)

It just sucks that Frank couldn't get his Looking Glass Wars movie out before Burton decided to do his traditional Burtonrape to Alice....

[Mirai Gen]

Three guesses who else is in this in a prominent role.



I'd rather see Alice in Wonderland by Terry Gilliam and Tim Burton go back to Batman, just for the sake of proving that you can make a more colorful Batman movie than Joel Schumacher. Johnny Depp as Joker and Helena Bonham-Carter as Harley Quinn and it's as good as done.

I was actually alarmed that Helena Bonham-Carter wasn't in this movie. It seems like she fits into any role in any movie that could be even considered 'dark' or 'twisted' or 'other words also meaning those things'.

[EVILNess]

I was actually alarmed that Helena Bonham-Carter wasn't in this movie, too. It seems like she fits into any role in a movie that could be considered 'dark' or 'twisted' or 'other words also meaning those things'.

She plays the Red Queen...

[Mirai Gen]

Bluh I need to lay on the facetiousness on that post a bit harder, I suppose.

[Aerozord]

its based off of an established series. I think I'd be more upset if it was an original take. I hate when they adapt something and the names are about the only connection

[Preturbed]

its based off of an established series. I think I'd be more upset if it was an original take. I hate when they adapt something and the names are about the only connection

Joking? I can never tell when people are joking on the internet, especially this forum.

[Aerozord]

well I can understand it to the point, and to a degree support it. But if the movie and source have nothing in common then the name, then whats the point, besides the cash in