Spider-man Mafia 2: Maximum Carnage

[Moogle0119]

Official Player List
1. Stress Ball, Ben Urich (Investigative Journalist)
2. Nikose, Dr. Kevin Trench (Nightwatch)
3. RalionXMasked Jedi 2, Demogoblin (4th Mafiate)
4. Masked Jedi, Michael Morbius (Morbius the Living Vampire - Vigilante)
5. Zilla, Cletus Kasady (Carnage - Mafia Don)
6. Cephrir
7. GrieverMr. Bookworm 2
8. Solid Snake, Mark Raxton (Molten Man)
9. Tendronai
10. Smarty McBarrelpants, Frances Louise Barrison (Shriek - 2nd Mafiate)
11. B_real_shadows
12. Ape Boy, Tyrone "Ty" Johnson (Cloak)
13. Doc ock rokc
14. Ravashak, The Doppelganger (3rd Mafiate)
15. Fungrus
16. Mr. Bookworm, Michael Collins (Deathlok)
17. Captain Combustible
18. The Argent Lord
19. The Wandering God

Death Order:
Ape Boy, Tyrone "Ty" Johnson (Cloak) Dead via Lynch on Day 1
Zilla, Cletus Kasady (Carnage - Mafia Don) Dead via Drained of Blood on Night 1
Smarty McBarrelpants, Frances Louise Barrison (Shriek - 2nd Mafiate) Dead via Lynch on Day 2
Solid Snake, Mark Raxton (Molten Man) Dead via Lynch on Day 3
Nikose, Dr. Kevin Trench (Nightwatch) Dead via Drained of Blood on Night 3
Masked Jedi, Michael Morbius (Morbius the Living Vampire - Vigilante) Dead via Decay on Night 3
Ravashak, The Doppelganger (3rd Mafiate) Dead via Lynch on Day 4
Mr. Bookworm, Michael Collins (Deathlok) Dead via Lynch on Day 5
Masked Jedi 2, Demogoblin (4th Mafiate) Dead via Lynch on Day 6
Stress Ball, Ben Urich (Investigative Journalist) Dead via Decay on Night 6

The Ravencroft massacre claimed the lives of staff and inmates alike. With the death count over 50, Carnage's killing spree spilled over into the streets of New York City as he slaughtered the inhabitants indiscriminately. Despite being opposed by various superheroes such as Spider-man and Venom, none have been able to stop him. Finally the various superheroes decided to join together to defeat Carnage and his "family" instead of working alone, however the differences in their methods of trying to stop Carnage made working together difficult. Would they be able to work together long enough to put an end to Carnage's reign of terror, or will they only end up destroying themselves?

Day 1. 10 to Lynch. No Deadline yet.

[Tendronai]

VOTE: DOC OCK ROKC

Clearly Doctor Octopus. Again.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Well it did work last time...

[Cephrir]

Vote: RalionX

Reasons for random voting suck.

Also, Nikose is in this game? Does that mean there's no cult?

[Fungrus]

Who or what is Carnage?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Carnage is a spiderman villain. Like a more psycho version of venom.

[Stress Ball]

Random Vote: Masked Jedi

[Mr.Bookworm]

It's May 4th.

The gods have spoken.

Vote: Masked Jedi

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Vote: Cephrir
I swear it works about 70% of the time.

[Zilla]

Vote: Masked Jedi bandwagon ftw.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Vote: Masked Jedi bandwagon ftw.

OMG scum!

[The Wandering God]

When in Rome...

Vote: Captain Combustible
Reason:
Not posting yet.

The Wandering God

[Nikose Tyris]

Wait.

I forgot to ask if there was a cult.

DAYKILL: THE WANDERING GOD

Wait shit I don't have that power.

EDIT: Editting to annoy Zilla.

[Masked Jedi]

Vote: Zilla

Really? This early? Really?

[The Wandering God]

Wait.

I forgot to ask if there was a cult.

DAYKILL: THE WANDERING GOD

Wait shit I don't have that power.
I love you, too.

The Wandering God

[Captain Combustible]

When in Rome...

Vote: Captain Combustible
Reason:
Not posting yet.

The Wandering God
Then I suppose I should post.

also I'm going to preemptively FoS: Zilla, for suspected future acronym use.

[Zilla]

Vote: Zilla

Really? This early? Really?

Why do you think I'm scum then?

[The Wandering God]

Okay
Unvote: Captain Combustible
and
Vote: The Argent Lord
Also hasn't posted yet.

The Wandering God

[Masked Jedi]

Why do you think I'm scum then?

Because you three voted me.

And I always seem to end up thinking you're scum anyway. Even in games where I know you're town, I still have to resist voting you because you playstyle makes my scumdar scream.

[Solid Snake]

...First days in Mafia games are just so utterly random.

Vote: The Wandering God

I'm using this vote to prove a point.
...you'll understand soon enough.

[Doc ock rokc]

I'm with Zilla because
A. Bandwagon
B. He is a little jumpy....Hiding something?

[Ape Boy]

Zilla's a chick, yo. She loves turtlenecks.

VOTE: The Wandering God

... Just so he stops signing his name at the end of every post.

[The Wandering God]

Zilla's a chick, yo. She loves turtlenecks.

VOTE: The Wandering God

... Just so he stops signing his name at the end of every post.
So now you are using vote pressure to get people do what you want?

Unvote: The Argent Lord
Vote: Ape Boy
Reason: Using his vote as a bludgeon to get what he wants. How is that not scummy?

The Wandering God

[Mr.Bookworm]

Because you three voted me.

And I always seem to end up thinking you're scum anyway. Even in games where I know you're town, I still have to resist voting you because you playstyle makes my scumdar scream.

Hey, I just chose your name for a completely arbitrary reason.

I'll be changing my vote to Zilla tomorrow.

[Masked Jedi]

Oh, don't understand me. Random voting is the only acceptable way to do Day 1. You're fine.

But she was the third to vote for me. That's my bandwagon cutoff point.

[Solid Snake]

Unvote: The Wandering God
Vote: Zilla

Unvoting and voting someone new, anyone new, should only help to prove my point. Zilla wasn't exactly chosen at random -- I want you all to notice exactly what I'm up to, and people seem to get upset when Zilla's name is thrown down arbitrarily.

Just remember who my vote is on.

[Solid Snake]

Oh, wait, everyone's getting upset at Zilla, not on his/her behalf?

Dammit, there goes any cred for my awesome cryptic messages.
I need sleep.

(Also, I'm not exactly sure what the double-post rules in Mafia are because in NPF boards, you're not supposed to post twice in a row, but in Mafia games, you're not supposed to edit your posts. Can anyone clarify before I can get perma-banned?)

[Masked Jedi]

If it's immediate and minor, editing's cool. Like for grammar. Still don't double-post, and try not to edit.

[Mr.Bookworm]

It's 12:37 AM (37-12=25, or 5 squared), Eastern Time (GMT-5), on the 5th day of the 5th month in the year 2009 (9-2-[number of zeroes]=5).

Goddamn I'm good.

Then I consulted the magic 8-ball just for luck, although I had to wing the divination when the little plastic thingy inside got stuck.

Unvote: Masked Jedi
Vote: Zilla

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Unvote: Ceph
Vote: Solid Snake
Double posting is a sin! Who commits sins? Scum!

[Zilla]

See Fenris? God damn if I'm not the only one who says this! And you went and banned Megaman FTW over it and everything, and gave me perma-infraction over it.

FOS: Solid Snake for apparently turning 180 on his reason for voting me and not unvoting.

FOS: TWG for blatant OMGUS

unvote: Masked Jedi for adequate reasoning/response.

Vote: Doc Ock Rokc for parroting me without reason.

[Ape Boy]

So now you are using vote pressure to get people do what you want?

Unvote: The Argent Lord
Vote: Ape Boy
Reason: Using his vote as a bludgeon to get what he wants. How is that not scummy?

The Wandering God

See? Now he's doing a blatant vengeance vote and annoyingly signing his name! Not like we don't know very well who posted, it's got a big 'ol name right next to your picture and everything!!

You people know both those things bother you, too!

[Zilla]

Zilla

Zilla: No, it doesn't bug me. Zilla

Zilla.

[Moogle0119]

Official Vote Count:

Doc ock rokc (2)
Tendronai
Zilla

Zilla (2)
Masked Jedi
Mr. Bookworm

Ape Boy (1)
The Wandering God

Masked Jedi (1)
Stress Ball

RalionX (1)
Cephrir

Solid Snake (1)
Smarty McBarrelpants

The Wandering God (1)
Ape Boy

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Solid Snake put in bold cryptic message. He is clearly Krypto!
Also he seemed concerned about people getting upset at Zilla which could possibly lead to a lynch. So I surmise that the person he votes for dies at end of the day!

Also any spiderman heroes (I assume he not give away if he villain) speak in riddles?

The other obvious suggestion is that he is under mindcontrol, with bolding parts of messages a classic way to signal that. I accuse the Purple Man!!

Also do we think there will be recycled roles from Spiderman 1? I'd be tempted to go back and see who was used there to see if we can work out roles for this ones.

[Ravashak]

Vote: Solid Snake

His posts just seem too odd for me at this point in time.

[Cephrir]

Vote: Cephrir
I swear it works about 70% of the time.

Pfff, that's totally not true. It's more like 72%. Lying scum. >.>

[FenrisWolf]

(Also, I'm not exactly sure what the double-post rules in Mafia are because in NPF boards, you're not supposed to post twice in a row, but in Mafia games, you're not supposed to edit your posts. Can anyone clarify before I can get perma-banned?)

I'll (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=614493&postcount=3) clarify (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=881548&postcount=5) matters. (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=882106&postcount=32)

See Fenris? God damn if I'm not the only one who says this! And you went and banned Megaman FTW over it and everything, and gave me perma-infraction over it.

The ban was more over Megaman being a douchebag and the permainfraction was more over not following directions.

[Masked Jedi]

Unvote: Zilla

I'm good now.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

So you weren't good before! AHA!

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote: Nikose
something's off about that motherfucker.

[Solid Snake]

Also he seemed concerned about people getting upset at Zilla which could possibly lead to a lynch. So I surmise that the person he votes for dies at end of the day!

Unfortunately, you literally could not be any further from the truth.

UNVOTE: Zilla
VOTE: Smarty McBarrelpants

...and, no, it's not going to kill you.

(Also note the vote totals up there and tell me if you notice anything off.)

[RalionX]

Vote: Smarty McBarrelpants

Just because.

[The Argent Lord]

Vote: The Argent Lord
For not posting ye... wait, fuck.
Unvote

[Zilla]

So Solid Snake has no vote. I don't know what that says about his alignment though.

[Solid Snake]

Yes, one facet of my role is that none of my votes count (they aren't even faux-counted in the auto-updates, so there wasn't much a way to conceal it aside from just lurking, which would have likely just resulted in me being blind-lynched on D1.) If there are a lot of no-shows in this game, my inability to vote is just going to increase the likelihood of a dastardly impasse.

I'd very much like to live for the time being and assist the town, but there will come a time later in the game where it will likely be in town's best interests to have me lynched. After all, if there's one more town alive than scum and I'm that townie, scum auto-wins because I can't vote to break the tie. Let's hope things never get that desperate.

Finally: I had a meta-gaming argument as to why it makes the most sense to assume a voteless player was, in fact, town-aligned. I deleted it because I hate relying on excessive meta-gaming. If I'm pressed further, I'll find a more ethical way to defend myself. I have to hope you'll trust me when I say that I am not the person you want to target for a D1 lynch.

[B_real_shadows]

Zilla, are you a pokemon?

[Zilla]

Zilla used Hyperbeam!

It's super-effective!

[Ravashak]

Unvote: Solid Snake
Vote: Ape Boy

Wonder if this'll create a bandwagon, never know on day one.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Yes, one facet of my role is that none of my votes count (they aren't even faux-counted in the auto-updates, so there wasn't much a way to conceal it aside from just lurking, which would have likely just resulted in me being blind-lynched on D1.) If there are a lot of no-shows in this game, my inability to vote is just going to increase the likelihood of a dastardly impasse.

I'd very much like to live for the time being and assist the town, but there will come a time later in the game where it will likely be in town's best interests to have me lynched. After all, if there's one more town alive than scum and I'm that townie, scum auto-wins because I can't vote to break the tie. Let's hope things never get that desperate.

Finally: I had a meta-gaming argument as to why it makes the most sense to assume a voteless player was, in fact, town-aligned. I deleted it because I hate relying on excessive meta-gaming. If I'm pressed further, I'll find a more ethical way to defend myself. I have to hope you'll trust me when I say that I am not the person you want to target for a D1 lynch.

You could tell us your rolename...
Edit: And your other powers.

[Moogle0119]

More talky/voting, or I'll set a deadline in the near future.

[Nikose Tyris]

More talky/voting, or I'll set a deadline in the near future.

Shut up and kill me. *sticks out tongue, waggily fingers next to head*

[Mr.Bookworm]

*rolls 19-sided die*

Unvote: Zilla

Vote: DOR

[B_real_shadows]

Who did you just hyperbeam Zilla?

[Solid Snake]

You could tell us your rolename...
Edit: And your other powers.

Both of these seem to be bad ideas; I'd prefer to keep my other "powers" (or even if I have said powers in the first place, or if I'm just bluffing) secret because I want scum to have to guess. Do I have any abilities, thus making me a prime town candidate to nightkill? Or am I bluffing, and thus the one townie best suited for scum to keep along (as I can't vote?) I'm forcing scum's hand, here, and that's a good thing: after all, if they do decide to kill me they're wasting a nightkill on a voteless townie instead of a cop, a doctor or a vig.

As for my character name: I could tell you, I guess. I'm not sure if it'll help prove my alignment any, and it would seem to make more practical sense to keep it secret so I can contradict any scum who 'accidentally' chooses to claim my character. With only a vague familiarity of the Spider-Man Universe, predominantly from the movies and Spectacular Spiderman, I will say this character is worthless enough to merit an inability to vote. Hated him in Spectacular Spiderman. And not in the good way you'd hope to hate a villain, but rather in the "damn you're so annoying" way.

[Griever]

As it is day one I'm going to

Vote: B_real_shadows

because number 11 is the spot I randomly chose to get my vote.

[Zilla]

FOS: B_Real for non-posting about my pokemon-ness

unvote
Vote: B-HS for rolefishing.

[B_real_shadows]

I'm still catching up on the times Zilla.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Day 1 roleclaims=hyper suspicion.
I don't see why he is holding back on his ability because he clearly has some extra power. Nobody's role is going to be: Townie but you can't vote. So I think it safe assumption that Solid Snake has additional powers.
The mafia are going to know this and assuming he isn't a member of the mafia they are going to target him tonight over a random person who doesn't have powers.
If he was townie aligned I don't see why he wouldn't hide it as long as possible instead of making himself as big a target for the mafia as possible.
In addition, I don't understand what further roleclaiming will hinder. You are already a mafia target, assumin gyou are not one youself.

Edit: We should maked sure to lynch someone today.

[Nikose Tyris]

ROLECLAIM: UGLY JERK.

LOOK AT ME I'M SUSPICIOUS KILL ME.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Unvote

Vote: Nikose

We do need to lynch someone...

[Moogle0119]

Deadline Sunday 11:59 PM (eastern)

[RalionX]

Unvote: McBarrelpants

Vote: Nikose

This may be what he wants, but eh.

[Cephrir]

FoS: BHS
That's rolefishing.

Unvote, Vote: Nikose
He's probably a cult leader.

[Ravashak]

May as well go with this flow

Unvote
Vote: Nikose

[The Wandering God]

I sense a disturbance in the force.

How do we know he's not a mafiate who, when lynched, manages to hurt the town somehow?

The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

FoS: BHS
That's rolefishing.


You need to address why it's bad. I don't deny I was fishing for roles and as I explained in my post I think it was perfectely warranted.

Calling me out on it without any explanation as to why its bad is pretty scummy behaviour in itself.
I addressed the possibility that Snake was town and why his alignment didn't matter, thus any information we could gain from it is a net positive.

Edit:
I sense a disturbance in the force.

How do we know he's not a mafiate who, when lynched, manages to hurt the town somehow?

The Wandering God
Eh its possible but normally if you have that kind of role you try and kick up more of a shit before they go (ie. false roleclaiming) cause they can often get information out of the town to help thier mafia buddies.

[Ape Boy]

How do we know he's not a mafiate who, when lynched, manages to hurt the town somehow?

UNVOTE
VOTE: Nikose

Wasn't going to, but this convinced me. Saying "Uh-oh, this guy could be some kind of joker/bomb role!" is a classic scum line.

I mean, you didn't even bother suggesting his innocence or bringing up the fact it could be a misguided Day One Wagon, you went straight for "What if he's evil and could kill us all?!"

I may very well be wrong, but if Nik is scum, we know where to go next.

[The Wandering God]

UNVOTE
VOTE: Nikose

Wasn't going to, but this convinced me. Saying "Uh-oh, this guy could be some kind of joker/bomb role!" is a classic scum line.

I mean, you didn't even bother suggesting his innocence or bringing up the fact it could be a misguided Day One Wagon, you went straight for "What if he's evil and could kill us all?!"

I may very well be wrong, but if Nik is scum, we know where to go next.
It's a scummy action to question something? Is that what you are seriously suggesting? If that's the case, I think I'm just going to give up right here, as you are obviously not going to respond to reason.

I don't know if he's innocent or not. All I do know is that he painted a large target on his chest and is begging people to kill him. That doesn't strike you as strange?

Honestly, I'd leave that sort of thing to the vig. I also love how you can find a link between us even when it doesn't exist.

The Wandering God

[Solid Snake]

Day 1 roleclaims=hyper suspicion.
I don't see why he is holding back on his ability because he clearly has some extra power. Nobody's role is going to be: Townie but you can't vote. So I think it safe assumption that Solid Snake has additional powers.

You're making a lot of assumptions.

First of all, my pseudo-metagaming argument: Most mafia games can't afford to include voteless scum because it severely hinders scum, and scum's already outnumbered as it is. I'm not saying it's impossible for voteless scum to exist, but the voteless scum role would have to have substantial abilities to make up for his inability to vote. But then there's the question of motive: why D1 roleclaim and make myself a potential target if I were voteless scum with superpowers? The more pragmatic strategy for a voteless scum would be to keep that stuff secret (and get through a few nights using special abilities) until I was actually at risk of being lynched. Lemme put it this way: if I were hypothetically scum I'd expect my scumbuddies to be pissed with my D1 claim.

The mafia are going to know this and assuming he isn't a member of the mafia they are going to target him tonight over a random person who doesn't have powers.

Alternatively, maybe I don't have special powers at all and I am, in fact, a voteless townie who's dissatisfied with the powerlessness of my role but who still wants to help the town win, and one way to assist town is to sacrifice myself N1 and keep townies with votes in the game.
Or maybe I'm bulletproof and I'm trying to convince scum to waste a shot.
Or maybe I do have a special ability but I'm taking a risk under the assumption that the voteless nature of my role ensures scum doesn't waste their time with me.

At any rate, the most pro-town thing I can do with my role is leave scum confused with all these questions as to what I could possibly be. That's why I'm spelling out the possibilities. I want scum to waste a scum-detective glance at my role, or waste a bullet on me, or waste any of their abilities on me as opposed to the traditional Doc/Vig/Cop power-roles. The least pro-town thing I could do is actually explicitly inform you all (including scum) exactly what the rest of my role entails (if anything.) The voteless part of my role is obvious -- I revealed it under the hopes that it convinced you a higher probability I was a trustworthy townie -- the rest doesn't have to be.

[Nikose Tyris]

In related news I think I'm immune to serial killer kills, and I'm town aligned but frankly we'll never hit a mafiate anyway.

Plus it's been so long since I played that I have no idea who's scum in this game anyway.

EDIT: However for shits and giggles I'll take a guess.

1. Stress Ball
2. Nikose Tyris
3. RalionX
4. Masked Jedi
5. Zilla
6. Cephrir
7. Griever
8. Solid Snake
9. Tendronai
10. Smarty McBarrelpants
11. B_real_shadows
12. Ape Boy
13. Doc ock rokc
14. Ravashak
15. Fungrus
16. Mr. Bookworm
17. Captain Combustible
18. The Argent Lord
19. The Wandering God


Red are my guesses on Scum, pink are my "I'm not sure what you are but I suspect you regardless because you set off my scum alarms in my head.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaanywho hurry up and kill me now kthx.

Edit: Oh and I think Solid Snake is the serial killer EVEN THOUGH he's done nothing wrong I just think he's that clever.

Edit3: okay I edited this time just to annoy Zilla.

Edit4: Also it'd be hilarious if Mafia did get snake tonight and he was the SK in the end I'd laugh till I cried.

[Solid Snake]

A voteless SK?
Interesting.
Kind of overpowers SK insofar as everyone generally assumes SK is bulletproof and has a vote, but I'll concede it's possible. I assure you I'm not SK, though.
I don't think I'd D1 roleclaim unless pressed if I were SK. After all, the strategy for scum and SK alike in D1 is generally to stay quiet through the first day of epic randomness and make it to day two unscathed.

[Nikose Tyris]

well see regardless of your defense or whatever that changes nothing in my eyes also I don't believe your voteless thing as it's a standing rule you can PM and have your vote reneg'd, or at least it was and regardless I don't plan to get into debates.

Also I like the color blue, isn't it pretty?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

You're making a lot of assumptions.

First of all, my pseudo-metagaming argument: Most mafia games can't afford to include voteless scum because it severely hinders scum, and scum's already outnumbered as it is. I'm not saying it's impossible for voteless scum to exist, but the voteless scum role would have to have substantial abilities to make up for his inability to vote. But then there's the question of motive: why D1 roleclaim and make myself a potential target if I were voteless scum with superpowers? The more pragmatic strategy for a voteless scum would be to keep that stuff secret (and get through a few nights using special abilities) until I was actually at risk of being lynched. Lemme put it this way: if I were hypothetically scum I'd expect my scumbuddies to be pissed with my D1 claim.

The mafia are going to know this and assuming he isn't a member of the mafia they are going to target him tonight over a random person who doesn't have powers.

Alternatively, maybe I don't have special powers at all and I am, in fact, a voteless townie who's dissatisfied with the powerlessness of my role but who still wants to help the town win, and one way to assist town is to sacrifice myself N1 and keep townies with votes in the game.
Or maybe I'm bulletproof and I'm trying to convince scum to waste a shot.
Or maybe I do have a special ability but I'm taking a risk under the assumption that the voteless nature of my role ensures scum doesn't waste their time with me.

At any rate, the most pro-town thing I can do with my role is leave scum confused with all these questions as to what I could possibly be. That's why I'm spelling out the possibilities. I want scum to waste a scum-detective glance at my role, or waste a bullet on me, or waste any of their abilities on me as opposed to the traditional Doc/Vig/Cop power-roles. The least pro-town thing I could do is actually explicitly inform you all (including scum) exactly what the rest of my role entails (if anything.) The voteless part of my role is obvious -- I revealed it under the hopes that it convinced you a higher probability I was a trustworthy townie -- the rest doesn't have to be.

A voteless townie is far less likely than a voteless scum as the only weapon of the town is the lynch and so what exactly is the point of making a voteless townie?
And it's just such an absolutely ridiculously role, to have someone who not only has no powers but has less powers than even the generic town man. What is the point of such a role? Why would you include it?
A voteless mafia man at least has the ability to stay in with the mafia who have a non-lynch path to victory. But I don't think you are that either as removing someone's ability to vote is a big hurdle and will be compensated in some way by some other power, which I'm sure that you have
.
Your latter argument makes sense ONLY if you are say kill proof or investigative proof. Though this makes sense to me, a character who is great at doing stuff at night but terrible in the day. You may very well be but I'm suspicious. Lynching you would be a terrible move for the town at this point in time but I'm just curious about your motives, that is all.

[Cephrir]

Meh. Voteless townies can still speak, it's not like they're worthless. And I don't think I've ever seen voteless scum.

In other news, Nikose totally caught me, I give up. But seriously, statistically speaking chances are so good that I'd be a mafiate that your lack of creativity is totally suspicious >.>

[Solid Snake]

well see regardless of your defense or whatever that changes nothing in my eyes also I don't believe your voteless thing as it's a standing rule you can PM and have your vote reneg'd, or at least it was and regardless I don't plan to get into debates.


This line of reasoning would have more credence if this wasn't my first Mafia game on NPF and if I hadn't already inadvertently broken an NPF Mafia rule earlier in this very topic.

But given the existence of said rule, I'd have to say the game creator's pretty silly to assume that voteless townie could work well as a role. One of the few perks I had assumed based on the role was that, despite not having a vote, at least proving I was town would be easy given that I was free to openly discuss my voteless nature (and the host's updates would prove it. In some other Mafia games I'm been involved with voteless can't tell the other players they're voteless or they're modkilled.) At least the ability to prove the likelihood I was townie would have helped make up for the fact that I'm apparently more worthless in this game than town vanilla. >.>

Anywhoo,

UNVOTE
VOTE Nikose

Not that it changes anything at all but hey, I can still fake vote.

[Ape Boy]

It's a scummy action to question something? Is that what you are seriously suggesting? If that's the case, I think I'm just going to give up right here, as you are obviously not going to respond to reason.

I don't know if he's innocent or not. All I do know is that he painted a large target on his chest and is begging people to kill him. That doesn't strike you as strange?

Honestly, I'd leave that sort of thing to the vig. I also love how you can find a link between us even when it doesn't exist.

You questioning something isn't the problem, it's what the question was. Just a little bit defensive there, eh?

Very often on Day One, scum will just fuck around to try and mix in with the Town-enites. Sometimes, they start collecting votes, and one of their scum-buddies will try and jump in to take votes off them, especially using the whole fear tactic angle.

I think Nik was playing around, got hit with a couple votes, so you wanted to jump in and save him by saying he's a bomb, later suggesting that it'd be better for our Vig to take him out, when our Vig would subsequently die if your suspicion was right.

It's Mafia, dude. We're here specifically to discern links between people's actions. Whether or not they exist will be proven later.

[B_real_shadows]

But seriously, statistically speaking chances are so good that I'd be a mafiate that your lack of voting is totally suspicious >.>

Totally fixed Cephrir's quote and

VOTE: CEPHRIR

How many times have you NOT been scum Cephrir?

[Zilla]

I hate the wagon on Nikose.

I definately see TWG as defending Nikose though, and his actions are very weird. That alone makes me more comfortable with lynching Nikose.

Solid Snake is obvtown. major FOS: SMB for rolefishing; we want mafia in the dark here. If they know what Solid Snake can do, they can accurately assess whether he is a threat or not. I don't see any reason for him to fullclaim, doing so only hurts town.

Edit: Unvote
Vote: Barrel-Hating Sycophant for inopportune bandwagoning on a weak case.

Edit edit: FOS: everyone who jumped on Nikose "because we need a lynch". To everyone voting Nikose, what do you think of his claim that he is SK immune?

[The Wandering God]

You questioning something isn't the problem, it's what the question was. Just a little bit defensive there, eh?
So there is a list of right and wrong questions? Okay, what are they? Or is that a wrong question to? Of course I'm defensive, you've been giving me grief with talk that my actions are scummy. You accuse, I defend. It's scummy to defend myself?

Very often on Day One, scum will just fuck around to try and mix in with the Town-enites. Sometimes, they start collecting votes, and one of their scum-buddies will try and jump in to take votes off them, especially using the whole fear tactic angle.
Yes I'm well aware of common tactics in this game. >.>

I think Nik was playing around, got hit with a couple votes, so you wanted to jump in and save him by saying he's a bomb, later suggesting that it'd be better for our Vig to take him out, when our Vig would subsequently die if your suspicion was right.
There's a bit of a difference between:
"Hey guys,

Vote: Myself

I'm usually mafia, amirite?"
and Nikose's
"PLEASE KILL ME"

He's acting, well, INSANE!

It's Mafia, dude. We're here specifically to discern links between people's actions. Whether or not they exist will be proven later.
You're suggesting trial and error, I'm suggesting logic.

And no, Zilla, I'm not defending Nikose. If anything, I'm saying he's even more dangerous for being unpredictable.

The Wandering God
The Wandering God

[Captain Combustible]

As for my character name: I could tell you, I guess. I'm not sure if it'll help prove my alignment any, and it would seem to make more practical sense to keep it secret so I can contradict any scum who 'accidentally' chooses to claim my character. With only a vague familiarity of the Spider-Man Universe, predominantly from the movies and Spectacular Spiderman, I will say this character is worthless enough to merit an inability to vote. Hated him in Spectacular Spiderman. And not in the good way you'd hope to hate a villain, but rather in the "damn you're so annoying" way.

FoS: Solid Snake, did you just say you were a villian?

[Doc ock rokc]

Red are my guesses on Scum, pink are my "I'm not sure what you are but I suspect you regardless because you set off my scum alarms in my head.

HEY! Its because of my Name isn't it....
Unvote
Vote:Nikose Tyris Who is a jerk!

[Solid Snake]

FoS: Solid Snake, did you just say you were a villian?

So you actually think I'd be dumb enough to confess outright to being a villain if I were scum?
...all right. That makes perfect sense.

You see this is essentially the problem with towns D1; everyone always go after those who are actually productive, and smart scum players survive a day simply by refusing to contribute anything at all. If you actually have a legitimate suspicion then go for it, I suppose, but more often than not it seems the active players are punished for molehills that are blown out of proportion into mountains, and we're just left with a bunch of unproductive lurkers.

As for the whole villain thing I do think my character could technically be construed as a villain during certain moments in the Spider-Man chronology, he's one of those (and there are many) ambiguous types who misunderstands the noble intentions of Peter / Spider-Man and acts accordingly. Would I concede that much if I were actually scum?

[Ape Boy]

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There are certainly right and wrong questions to ask toward a situation. A simple "I'm not sure what Nikose is doing here, so I don't trust it" is good, saying "HEY, HE'S PROBABLY A BOMB" is bad. One simply states that you are skeptical, the other is a common scare tactic used by scum.

You say you're aware of common tactics, then you should know that. Also, defending yourself isn't bad, being overly-defensive (see: touchy, sensitive) is.

As for your examples, Nikose did both. Regardless, notably acting in any fashion can also be a scum tell.

You can't play this game without trial and error, and "He's a bomb, let's send the Vig after him!" =/= Logical.

[The Wandering God]

There are certainly right and wrong questions to ask toward a situation. A simple "I'm not sure what Nikose is doing here, so I don't trust it" is good, saying "HEY, HE'S PROBABLY A BOMB" is bad. One simply states that you are skeptical, the other is a common scare tactic used by scum.
I was simply trying to stop people from just voting in a great big rush.

You say you're aware of common tactics, then you should know that. Also, defending yourself isn't bad, being overly-defensive (see: touchy, sensitive) is.
Well since we can all agree and know beforehand exactly what "being overly-defensive" (Yes, I'm quite aware of what it means.) Each person will judge things differently. That's why we try to reach consensus. So that each voice can be heard and weighed before deciding.

As for your examples, Nikose did both. Regardless, notably acting in any fashion can also be a scum tell.
"acting in any fasion can also be a scum tell"

...

That does not make sense. If everything is scummy, then everything is equally valid. Which means there is no way to tell which actions are which. Your voting for Nikose is scummy because "acting in any fashion can also be a scum tell". In fact, any action you take can be a scum tell.

You can't play this game without trial and error, and "He's a bomb, let's send the Vig after him!" =/= Logical.
I'm not saying you can't play this game without trial and error. I'm just saying it's more of a fallback idea than an actual plan.

And you want logic:
Niklose wants the town to lynch him (Why? He's never actually stated WHY!)
He's acting extremely erratic and suspicious.
So, he's either a threat or a distraction. And since he wants to die, but in a specific way, why give it to him when it can backfire?

Also, Solid Snake, I understand your frustration.

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

First off, where did Nikose say, earnestly, that he wanted to be lynched?

Is your sarcasm meter entirely broken?

Secondly, Mafia having a bomb role is total BS. You get rid of mafia by lynching them. If the only way to get rid of mafia causes town damage, that's BS. I think Moogle's better than setting up something like that.

Thirdly, your reaction to the entire situation is very strange. If he's a bomb, you propose we use a vigilante kill on him. Not only does that control the vig's target (very useful for scum), it puts a powerrole at risk in a scenario that we could use a vanilla townie for.

If my vote wasn't well-deserved on B-HS, you'd be up.

Edit: I caught that too, CC. I don't like that Solid Snake responded with this:

So you actually think I'd be dumb enough to confess outright to being a villain if I were scum?
...all right. That makes perfect sense.

It was clearly a slip and unintentional, but he passes it off as if he did it intentionally with this comment, then goes on to present the WIFOM of "scum wouldn't be this forthcoming."

I said he was obvtown earlier, but now I'm thinking he may be trying too hard.

[The Wandering God]

First off, where did Nikose say, earnestly, that he wanted to be lynched?
Oh, you want quotes?
Vote: Nikose
something's off about that motherfucker.
Note: he was the first person to vote for himself.
Shut up and kill me. *sticks out tongue, waggily fingers next to head*
ROLECLAIM: UGLY JERK.

LOOK AT ME I'M SUSPICIOUS KILL ME.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaanywho hurry up and kill me now kthx.
That's one vote followed by three pleas for death. Even another poster said that it was what Nikose wanted.

Is your sarcasm meter entirely broken?
Only when I'm reading on message boards, what with the complete lack of voice and body language.

Secondly, Mafia having a bomb role is total BS. You get rid of mafia by lynching them. If the only way to get rid of mafia causes town damage, that's BS. I think Moogle's better than setting up something like that.
Oh I don't know about that. (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=382827&postcount=487) So seeing as how I was in a game that featured that variant rule, then yes, I think it's a possibility.

You should know better than to say "only way to get rid of mafia". There's the vig and SK. Oh but wait, Nikose claims to be immune... (I don't believe it.)

Thirdly, your reaction to the entire situation is very strange. If he's a bomb, you propose we use a vigilante kill on him. Not only does that control the vig's target (very useful for scum), it puts a powerrole at risk in a scenario that we could use a vanilla townie for.
How is that useful to scum? They would be losing a member in such a way as to not fully utilize it. Why would it put the vig at risk? The example I saw only mattered when the target was lynched. That's why the vig had to hit it and why the PO explaining all of that won the town the game I referenced.

If my vote wasn't well-deserved on B-HS, you'd be up.
Why?

The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

I hate the wagon on Nikose.

I definately see TWG as defending Nikose though, and his actions are very weird. That alone makes me more comfortable with lynching Nikose.

Solid Snake is obvtown. major FOS: SMB for rolefishing; we want mafia in the dark here. If they know what Solid Snake can do, they can accurately assess whether he is a threat or not. I don't see any reason for him to fullclaim, doing so only hurts town.

Edit: Unvote
Vote: Barrel-Hating Sycophant for inopportune bandwagoning on a weak case.

Edit edit: FOS: everyone who jumped on Nikose "because we need a lynch". To everyone voting Nikose, what do you think of his claim that he is SK immune?

The deadline is approaching and the worst thing the town can do is to not lynch.
You ridicule my claim of "We need a lynch" but we really really do. My vote for Nikose was purely because I thought that would be a bandwagon that would hold and thus would enable the town to get thier lynch, rather than failing to meet majority.
If you have an alternate target to lynch then please present them.
Because we do need someone and I am slightly suspicious of your attempts to seemingly derail a town lynch.

Edit: Missed the rolefishing bit original. There is no way my rolefishing hurts the town. You are looking at things from a simplistic perspective of "fishing=bad" which it normally is but as I addressed earlier it is not in this situation. You need to think beyond standard assesments and address the actual situation. No mafia is going to ignore the SS target so it doesn't really matter how much extra information they get.
Ideally SS would have responded to my claim with the claim that he had no extra powers, thus hopefully avoiding a mafia attack on a voteless townie. That is partially what I was looking for.

[Ape Boy]

RE: My stuff, cause Zilla can handle her own

Pt.1 - I know, that's what I've been saying. Except I think you look like scummy for trying to do it through fear.

Pt.2 - Don't think anything new was said here.

Pt.3 - Acting in any fashion can look scummy. As in, "Acting insane", as you put it earlier. If someone is notably "acting" a certain way, they aren't being natural, which can certainly be a tell.

Pt.4 - You're suggesting you can follow pure logic in this game without trail and error. Alright, do so. Hit us scum right now, from Day One, with nothing else from the game, seeing as we have no actions, clues, alignments, squat.

You cannot separate the two ideals, they are hopelessly intertwined as it comes to this game, which was my point. In Mafia, there is no logic to be gleaned without trial and error, and no fruitful trial and error bereft of logic.

Hell, you tried to put your own logic in on Nik twice, first saying our Vig should kill the person you suspect to be a Bomb (both controlling the Vig's target and killing them in the process, because Bomb target=death), and now you say Nik is definitely a threat or a distraction, so we shouldn't vote for him?

Spock would not approve.

Yes, there exist scenarios where Nik isn't scum, such is the way with Day One. The evidence and logic better support him being sarcastic, joking around, it turning on him, and a scum buddy comes to his aide over what you're suggesting, that he's been entirely serious this whole time, remains a threat and distraction, and we should risk our Vig to kill him.

[Moogle0119]

As everyone was arguing about who would be the best lynch candidate, the Ravencroft Task Force showed up and dragged Nikose off to Ravencroft for a 24 hour visit. People jailed cannot act, post, or be targeted by lynches or any night roles nor use any night actions (if any) until the start of the next day. All votes that were on Nikose are now void.

Deadline remains the same (Sunday 11:59 PM).

Edit: Vote count

Doc ock rokc (2)
Tendronai
Mr. Bookworm

Ape Boy (1)
The Wandering God

B_real_shadows (1)
Griever

Cephrir (1)
B_real_shadows

Masked Jedi (1)
Stress Ball

Smarty McBarrelpants (1)
Zilla

Still 10 for a lynch.

[Ravashak]

Well, with Nikose gone to Ravencroft for a bit, I'm (temporarily) going back to my previous vote that wasn't based on too much.
I prefer to have a lynch, but at the moment, there's no clear candidate for that in my eyes.

Vote: Ape Boy

[Zilla]

unvote: Smarty
Vote: TWG

FOS: Ravashak for no-reason voting Ape Boy, who has been actively scumhunting and making reasoned judgments.

I'm switching my vote because of this.

How is that useful to scum? They would be losing a member in such a way as to not fully utilize it. Why would it put the vig at risk? The example I saw only mattered when the target was lynched. That's why the vig had to hit it and why the PO explaining all of that won the town the game I referenced.

because apparently, Nikose HAS to be scum, and the vig HAS to be safe, and there's no downside to having the vig shoot Nikose. I really don't like this. I was operating from the perspective that we don't know Nikose's alignment, and having the vig target Nikose is bad because scum could be pointing Vig's gun at a townie to keep it off them. I just now thought that if scum has a bodyguard, it's awesome for them to set Nikose up for vigging so he can be protected.

Either way, I really don't like TWG's suggestion of vigging Nikose this early. That other game, there was cop support for it and it was well into the game. Day 1, we shouldn't have the vig on a leash. That is if we even have a vig (I know it's rare to not include just about every power role here, but it's possible).

I still don't like SMB's actions, but I feel we have a much bigger chance of lynching TWG today, and I feel he is quite likely to be scum.

[Cephrir]

Yeah, at the very least it seems like TWG knows Nikose's alignment. The thing is, if this is true, they're scum together, but if not, I think Nikose is more likely scum for obvious reasons.

Unvote, Vote: Nikose

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Ceph, Nikose is in jail, you can't vote for him. That is why TWG is being voted for.

That said:
Vote: TWG
We need to vote somebody and trying to get a Vig to go after someone who will potentially backlash on thier killer is a fairly ridiculous move. They could be working together or TWG might have seen an opportunity I'm not sure.

[The Wandering God]

RE: My stuff, cause Zilla can handle her own
Why, when you two are almost parroting each other? (Seriously, you two keep using the same arguments.)

Pt.1 - I know, that's what I've been saying. Except I think you look like scummy for trying to do it through fear.
Here's exactly what I said,
"How do we know he's not a mafiate who, when lynched, manages to hurt the town somehow?"
That seems more like a reasonable idea than,
"You shouldn't vote for Nikose or something bad will happen to you."
Which IS just using fear without actually giving a reason. If I had just said something empty, it would be trying to do it with fear. I was trying to offer a possible alternative. That's why it's stated in the form of a question after all. Ya know, since I can't be 100% sure.

Pt.2 - Don't think anything new was said here.
So you aren't going to give me the exact guidelines to determine what is/what is not being "overly defensive"?

Pt.3 - Acting in any fashion can look scummy. As in, "Acting insane", as you put it earlier. If someone is notably "acting" a certain way, they aren't being natural, which can certainly be a tell.
And how can you tell the difference between someone acting and being natural? Better yet, how can I tell the difference?

Pt.4 - You're suggesting you can follow pure logic in this game without trail and error. Alright, do so. Hit us scum right now, from Day One, with nothing else from the game, seeing as we have no actions, clues, alignments, squat.
But we do have actions and clues. Like your action of using a vote as an instrument of terror to get what you want. Which is why I'm voting you because terrorism=scum. And everything you've said since has only convinced me more.

You cannot separate the two ideals, they are hopelessly intertwined as it comes to this game, which was my point. In Mafia, there is no logic to be gleaned without trial and error, and no fruitful trial and error bereft of logic.
Since the two were/are/will always be separate, I don't have to do anything to show they already are. Seeing a clue in a GM's post and following it to it's conclusion doesn't necessarily require trial and error, just as you can have townie's who aren't able to draw connections between events.

Hell, you tried to put your own logic in on Nik twice, first saying our Vig should kill the person you suspect to be a Bomb (both controlling the Vig's target and killing them in the process, because Bomb target=death), and now you say Nik is definitely a threat or a distraction, so we shouldn't vote for him?
If I thought the bomb role would kill the vig, then I wouldn't have suggested it. The vig wouldn't be in any danger because the 'bomb' would only go off from a lynch death. What I originally said was whoever LYNCHED him MIGHT die.

Also, I always thought his actions were erratic and dangerious. I just thought he was being lynched without anyone actually questioning why.

Spock would not approve.
Boy, you sure are good at speaking for others, aren't you?

Yes, there exist scenarios where Nik isn't scum, such is the way with Day One. The evidence and logic better support him being sarcastic, joking around, it turning on him, and a scum buddy comes to his aide over what you're suggesting, that he's been entirely serious this whole time, remains a threat and distraction, and we should risk our Vig to kill him.
I. CAN'T. TELL. WHEN. PEOPLE. ARE. BEING. SARCASTIC. IN. HERE.

And how do you know he was being sarcastic? I gave evidence as to why I thought he was suspicious and dangerous, where's your evidence of sarcasm? What's your logic? And if I was his scum buddy, wouldn't it be better for me to vote for him to make myself look more townie?

unvote: Smarty
Vote: TWG

FOS: Ravashak for no-reason voting Ape Boy, who has been actively scumhunting and making reasoned judgments.
And there's another bit of evidence of Ape Boy and Zilla being chummy.

I'm switching my vote because of this.How is that useful to scum? They would be losing a member in such a way as to not fully utilize it. Why would it put the vig at risk? The example I saw only mattered when the target was lynched. That's why the vig had to hit it and why the PO explaining all of that won the town the game I referenced.because apparently, Nikose HAS to be scum, and the vig HAS to be safe, and there's no downside to having the vig shoot Nikose. I really don't like this. I was operating from the perspective that we don't know Nikose's alignment, and having the vig target Nikose is bad because scum could be pointing Vig's gun at a townie to keep it off them. I just now thought that if scum has a bodyguard, it's awesome for them to set Nikose up for vigging so he can be protected.
Nikose WAS acting suspicious and erratic. Nikose wanted to die from a lynch vote, was going about doing things to get it, and succeeding. Maybe he's trying to sacrifice himself for another reason. What if lynching him benefits someone else? The only downside would be if the BG defended Nikose, but since Nikose was acting so suspicious, that wouldn't happen.

And there's nothing wrong with offering suggestions for vig targets. I can't make him/her do anything. They can think for themselves. And it seems reasonable for the mafia to have a bodyguard, but not a 'bomb' role?

Either way, I really don't like TWG's suggestion of vigging Nikose this early. That other game, there was cop support for it and it was well into the game. Day 1, we shouldn't have the vig on a leash. That is if we even have a vig (I know it's rare to not include just about every power role here, but it's possible).
Lots of people wanted Nikose dead (including Nikose), I just thought there might be an alternative route for doing so. I didn't realize that offering alternative's was an unpardonable sin. I don't want a vig on a leash, but that doesn't mean I can't say what I think. Again, they can do as they please.
I still don't like SMB's actions, but I feel we have a much bigger chance of lynching TWG today, and I feel he is quite likely to be scum.
Why am I likely to be scum? What have I done wrong?

Yeah, at the very least it seems like TWG knows Nikose's alignment. The thing is, if this is true, they're scum together, but if not, I think Nikose is more likely scum for obvious reasons.
The only thing I know about Nikose is what he typed out. Everyone else is acting like they know his alignment when they are voting for him, and my suspicions are somehow ring truer?
Ceph, Nikose is in jail, you can't vote for him. That is why TWG is being voted for.

That said:
Vote: TWG
We need to vote somebody and trying to get a Vig to go after someone who will potentially backlash on thier killer is a fairly ridiculous move. They could be working together or TWG might have seen an opportunity I'm not sure.
I never said that the vig would suffer any ill effects. YOUR assumption, not mine. As I repeatedly said, the 'bomb' would only go off under a lynch death.

And yes, I'm fairly ridiculous. That's why I visit NPF.

The Wandering God

[B_real_shadows]

And yes, I'm fairly ridiculous. That's why I visit NPF.

Dude be trippin balls I tell you.

[Solid Snake]

Since I can't really vote, I'm just going to butt in here for a second and say:


Why am I likely to be scum? What have I done wrong?


This one line here just struck me. It's not necessarily a scumtell but it's a very weird sort of logic for a D1 lynch. In D1 we don't have any idea who scum is because scum haven't had much a chance to do "anything wrong." I'm not sure if you're trying such a desperate defensive strategy on the basis that you're a town power role or a scum (hypothetically, either would react similarly in such a situation) but it's curious.

[The Argent Lord]

Well, my scumdar is, admittedly, shit, but here's my take on things. I think Nikose was trying to get himself nightkilled. The "act like an idiot so you get lynched D1" is a really common Jester tactic, most people here have learned to ignore it. By being particularly obvious with it, he was hoping to specifically get himself not lynched. He also claimed SK immunity, so that leaves the only open options as a mafia or vig kill. If we assume he's a town bomb of some sort, he's got a 50/50 chance of hitting the vig, and I doubt he'd take that risk. So it makes sense that he would be a mafiate bomb baiting the vig by faking Jester. This makes TWG look pretty suspicious, since he was pointing the vig at Nikose with a nonstandard definition of bomb. He's not tripping any major scum sensors outside of this logic, but since we're on a deadline...

Vote: TWG

Zilla's actually pinging my scumdar harder, but I think she's just being her usual overagressive self. Same with Ape Boy.

[Ape Boy]

UNVOTE
VOTE: TWG

We parrot each other because we both have played Mafia for a long time (between here and HoRP, I have probably 100 Mafia games to my credit), and we both play the same way. The fact that more than one person see's it helps the argument that we're not just being crazy jerks here.

If you'd have said "I don't trust what Nikose is doing. I'm not voting for him", we wouldn't have this problem, but instead, you try to put the idea that he has a vengeance role into people's minds.

Here's a hint, though: Giant wall of text = overly defensive.

You said it yourself, he was "acting insane". Do you think Nikose is insane in real life? He may be and you can't always tell someone's natural state, but when you notice someone acting a particular way, there it is.

You must not have played much Mafia and are unfamiliar with Day One. Any votes at the onset of D1 are random or joke votes, until a wagon starts to form or someone lets off some tells. Hell, we even get a couple more out of this, because if you come up clean, I'm going to have to look at Zilla next. It does seem odd that someone is so lock-step with my argument (not that I'm complaining), but hey, that's for later.

By the way, equating a joke vote about you signing your name (which is annoyingly ridiculous) to terrorism? Also overly defensive.

Nice response after that. It was basically "NUH-UHHHHH!". I've drawn a conclusion based on your posts, my previous experience, and some general tells. I've used logic to form the theory that you are scum. Great, but what good is it without testing the theory? You have to test your logic, or else it's useless. Doing one without the other is destined to fail.

It's not hard. When someone refers to themselves as "motherfucker" or posts in all caps, they are most likely joking around.

[Fungrus]

Anyone think TWG could be the Vig? If it's true that's really forcing the BG's hand which is annoying.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

I never said that the vig would suffer any ill effects. YOUR assumption, not mine. As I repeatedly said, the 'bomb' would only go off under a lynch death.


I'll address the bit directed at me.
You were taking an extreme and nonstandard interpretation of Nikose role and one that did not match at all how Nikose was playing it.
At best, you were suggesting the Vig subject himself to unwarranted risk in an extremely suspicious manner, especially as we had discussed why Nikose was unlikely to have the role you described.
Further, Nikose' claims of being SK immune and thus neednig a vig kill made the whole thing seem more suspicious.

Well, my scumdar is, admittedly, shit, but here's my take on things. I think Nikose was trying to get himself nightkilled. The "act like an idiot so you get lynched D1" is a really common Jester tactic, most people here have learned to ignore it. By being particularly obvious with it, he was hoping to specifically get himself not lynched. He also claimed SK immunity, so that leaves the only open options as a mafia or vig kill. If we assume he's a town bomb of some sort, he's got a 50/50 chance of hitting the vig, and I doubt he'd take that risk. So it makes sense that he would be a mafiate bomb baiting the vig by faking Jester. This makes TWG look pretty suspicious, since he was pointing the vig at Nikose with a nonstandard definition of bomb. He's not tripping any major scum sensors outside of this logic, but since we're on a deadline...

Vote: TWG

Zilla's actually pinging my scumdar harder, but I think she's just being her usual overagressive self. Same with Ape Boy.

The reason I think Nikose is not a lynch-revenge role is that lynch revenge people usually try and gather some information for the mafia before they go, through stuff such as fake PO claims and ridiculous arguments. This will get you lynched quickly but can also pull out information from the town, such as thier power roles. This is a much more effective way for them to get lynched than asking for it.

Anyone think TWG could be the Vig? If it's true that's really forcing the BG's hand which is annoying.

I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion?

[B_real_shadows]

no, lynch revenge roles have typically gone to people who just play the game and die when their time comes, and usually end up taking a townie because mafiates are very careful not to put on the last vote on someone, but rather the 2 to 3 votes inbetween so that they aren't seen as the "Last one to have voted just to ensure someone's death".

As such, I don't like any of these arguements against TWG.

[Ape Boy]

I can see how Fungi came to the idea that TWG could be the Vig, with TWG suggesting through meta-speak that he would take care of Nikose during the Night.

The problem I have is that if he thinks it's a vengeance role, it's a bad suggestion regardless, seeing as it aims to control the vig's decision in the game, even if it's his own privately, and the vengeance role would more than likely take him down as well. Most of the vengeance roles I've come across aren't merely limited to lynchings.

[Zilla]

I don't think TWG is the vig. I'd think he wouldn't say anything about the vig thing if he was the vig himself and just do it at night. It really seems like he wasn't going for town opinion on the matter either; even when rebuked from every direction, he kept saying that vigging Nikose was a good idea. If he had that conviction and was vig to begin with, he wouldn't have bothered making it public.

[The Wandering God]

As everyone was arguing about who would be the best lynch candidate, the Ravencroft Task Force showed up and dragged Nikose off to Ravencroft for a 24 hour visit. People jailed cannot act, post, or be targeted by lynches or any night roles nor use any night actions (if any) until the start of the next day. All votes that were on Nikose are now void.
I'm the town-aligned Ravencroft Task Force. I put Nikose in jail to remove him for the day. And now the mafia is trying to kill me.
This one line here just struck me. It's not necessarily a scumtell but it's a very weird sort of logic for a D1 lynch.
I was asking people to state why they think I'm scum so that I could have a chance to respond.
By being particularly obvious with it, he was hoping to specifically get himself not lynched
But he WAS going to be lynched. He had the majority by far.

If you'd have said "I don't trust what Nikose is doing. I'm not voting for him", we wouldn't have this problem, but instead, you try to put the idea that he has a vengeance role into people's minds.
Yes, I tried to put a new thought in people's heads. History has shown this to be an unpopular move. But I'm going to keep giving different points of view since that's what I do.
Here's a hint, though: Giant wall of text = overly defensive.
What, that I try to respond to everything so that I'm not accused of avoiding something? That I try to explain my actions/words so others can't misconstrue them?

You said it yourself, he was "acting insane". Do you think Nikose is insane in real life? He may be and you can't always tell someone's natural state, but when you notice someone acting a particular way, there it is.
No, I think he was specifically trying to egg people on.

You must not have played much Mafia and are unfamiliar with Day One. Any votes at the onset of D1 are random or joke votes, until a wagon starts to form or someone lets off some tells. Hell, we even get a couple more out of this, because if you come up clean, I'm going to have to look at Zilla next. It does seem odd that someone is so lock-step with my argument (not that I'm complaining), but hey, that's for later.
Yeah, I'm aware that everyone does it because it's a tradition. I've never been a big fan of tradition. I think it stifles freedom.

By the way, equating a joke vote about you signing your name (which is annoyingly ridiculous) to terrorism? Also overly defensive.
I sign my name for my own reasons, and they have nothing to do with anyone but me.

Also, I think it's annoyingly ridiculous use a vote as a "joke".

Nice response after that. It was basically "NUH-UHHHHH!". I've drawn a conclusion based on your posts, my previous experience, and some general tells. I've used logic to form the theory that you are scum. Great, but what good is it without testing the theory? You have to test your logic, or else it's useless. Doing one without the other is destined to fail.
Do you mind using some specific examples rather than generalities? Otherwise, how I can respond in a less than general way?
It's not hard. When someone refers to themselves as "motherfucker" or posts in all caps, they are most
likely joking around.
If this were any other part of the forum, I'd agree. But considering the context, I have to believe that there is a deeper meaning behind everything.
I'll address the bit directed at me.
You were taking an extreme and nonstandard interpretation of Nikose role and one that did not match at all how Nikose was playing it.
At best, you were suggesting the Vig subject himself to unwarranted risk in an extremely suspicious manner, especially as we had discussed why Nikose was unlikely to have the role you described.
Further, Nikose' claims of being SK immune and thus neednig a vig kill made the whole thing seem more suspicious.
At no point did I come out and say flat out what role Nikose had. All I said was he's acting suspcious and intentionally drawing votes to himself. I thought he had a death wish via lynching (which was working).

I don't know how Nikose would play any given role. I don't assume that since things went one way once, they will again. That's the crux of too many arguments around here (and a great deal of a headache for me and anyone else who isn't intimately familiar with all the little byplays and history already established here. Not everyone knows all these supposed tells, and by referencing and relying on them so much, it certainly makes it difficult for others to ever bring anything new to the table.)

And yeah, Nikose was suspicous. But rather than actually discuss it, everyone just started voting. "Fools rush in where angels fear to tread." I was merely trying to offer some alternatives when the whole thing blew up in my face.

The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

no, lynch revenge roles have typically gone to people who just play the game and die when their time comes, and usually end up taking a townie because mafiates are very careful not to put on the last vote on someone, but rather the 2 to 3 votes inbetween so that they aren't seen as the "Last one to have voted just to ensure someone's death".

As such, I don't like any of these arguements against TWG.

I don't think I've ever seen a lynch revenge person by lynched without pulling stunts to get townie information. It's practically inherent in the role.
Otherwise you're just basically a normal guy and ignoring the rather large power in a revenge role by taking your chances.
Well except the one game where he killed everyone who was voting for him which was like 40% of the time. Man that was stupid.

I'm the town-aligned Ravencroft Task Force. I put Nikose in jail to remove him for the day. And now the mafia is trying to kill me.

I'm not sure what to do with this. Normally I don't think jailers are that helpful for the town as they only come into play when the town has already made a decision and unless the jailor has secret information he won't help much. And then when the lynch target is locked up the town can often fail to meet deadlines through indecision.
Also the cult getting hold of a jailor= bad. Do we know if their is a cult?

I'm gonna leave my vote on TWG because
A) Even if he's not lying a loss of a jailor is not a huge loss for the town
B) We have no other candidates and need to hit someone.

Also the name doesn't suit a single person role. I suspect they are more of a mason group with some collective powers.

[Mr.Bookworm]

I hate to bandwagon, but:

I'm not sure what to do with this. Normally I don't think jailers are that helpful for the town as they only come into play when the town has already made a decision and unless the jailor has secret information he won't help much. And then when the lynch target is locked up the town can often fail to meet deadlines through indecision.
Also the cult getting hold of a jailor= bad. Do we know if their is a cult?

I find this line of logic fairly compelling.

IF TWG is telling the truth, the Cult either gains a decent role or the Mafia hits him tonight. Either way, we lose bad.

If he's NOT telling the truth, he's clearly scum.

Or he's lying and part of the Mafia, and the Cult gains a Mafia member tonight.

All bad, and better to just kill him now.

Unvote: DOR
Vote: TWG

[The Wandering God]

Whatever. I'm tired of trying to argue with people who won't actually listen.
Unvote
Vote: The Wandering God

The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

I'm listening to your arguments, they just aren't very convincing and are riddled with assumptions that aren't particularly valid.
Edit: You seem to be holding onto a theory that there are exact rules for finding scum and perfect patterns of scum behaviour. This is not correct and most of the work of the town is in analysing behaviour of the individual and comparing it to both the past behaviour and the past behaviour of themselves, particularly. From there its mostly a task of minimising risk and assuming you are telling the truth a roleclaimed jailor is quite a large risk for the town to carry if there is cult around and that is assuming you are telling the truth, of which we have no evidence.
If you can present a better target then go ahead.
The key problem with your defence is that it is imperative for the town to lynch someone everyday. If they don't, they will lose. You are pretty much the only option at this point and deadline is approaching fast.

[The Wandering God]

I'm listening to your arguments, they just aren't very convincing and are riddled with assumptions that aren't particularly valid.
Then it's a good thing this whole experience reminded me how much I hate playing mafia here.

I'm sorry for being so incompetent though. I'm sure it's just as annoying as signing my name. (But luckily my obnoxious ego covers for both of those.)

The Wandering God

[The Argent Lord]

The reason I think Nikose is not a lynch-revenge role is that lynch revenge people usually try and gather some information for the mafia before they go, through stuff such as fake PO claims and ridiculous arguments. This will get you lynched quickly but can also pull out information from the town, such as thier power roles. This is a much more effective way for them to get lynched than asking for it.
I think you're either misreading my post or just being unclear because it sounds like you're agreeing with me. I said I think he isn't a lynch-revenge role, but an NK revenge role.
But he WAS going to be lynched. He had the majority by far.
I know that, but he didn't when he started. Notice that once his bandwagon grew he stopped saying "KILL ME" and claimed a townie role?

[Cephrir]

Guys. TWG has claimed a confirmable protown role that we know is in the game and has not been counterclaimed. He is obviously telling the truth. His claimed action meshes with his opinion and there's not really anyone else who would have thrown Nikose in jail. Why on earth are you still voting him.

TWG is perpetually the D1 lynch because he tries too hard, apparently. >.<.

[Zilla]

^ This.

unvote: TWG

Killing a nearly confirmed town role is bad news.

Vote: SMB because I still don't like his attitude towards this, especially his egging on that we have no better target so we should lynch TWG. Until I hear a counterclaim, I think it's better to no-lynch than to lynch TWG.

As horrible as his play and assumptions have been, Cephrir is entirely right that he claimed a verifiable pro-town role that I think would be easy to counterclaim. If the Ravencroft task force doesn't counterclaim this, they're playing badly, as their being out is more than enough balanced by bagging scum.

[Ape Boy]

The problem now is that if we let him live and he's telling the truth, he's dead, culted, or even perpetually blocked, if the Mafia has no better target and have the ability to do so in the first place.

If we let him live and he's lying, we've let scum off the hook.

If we lynch him and he's telling the truth, we lose a pro-town player.

If we lynch him and he was lying, yayyyy for us.

It's one Hell of a catch-22, but the consequences of not lynching him are worse than for lynching him, for the reasons SMB put, and that when there's a jailer, there is almost always a deputy to take their place.

I'm not surprised by no counter-claim, though. They'd be revealing themselves to someone who could be scum, is about to die, and is fishing to help the Mafia. If I were able to counter-claim TWG, I would simply throw my vote in for him somewhere, knowing he was lying and we were about to get a good result.

[Zilla]

^ Your last point is potentially a good one. But my vote isn't on him unless there's a counter-claim.

Even as a living target, he's at least valuable as someone to soak that targetting. If the town removes him, scum are free to target other players instead. Also, chances are scum won't touch him when he's this hot, since they'll want town to waste a lynch on him and promote the WIFOM that "He lived through the night, he must be scum!"

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

^ Your last point is potentially a good one. But my vote isn't on him unless there's a counter-claim.

Even as a living target, he's at least valuable as someone to soak that targetting. If the town removes him, scum are free to target other players instead. Also, chances are scum won't touch him when he's this hot, since they'll want town to waste a lynch on him and promote the WIFOM that "He lived through the night, he must be scum!"

My reasoning is that if there is cult and if he is jailer he is an absolutely massive target cause a cult with a jailer is practically unstoppable.
This is why I don't think any jailor has counterclaimed because if they did then the cult would just target them.

In fact, your calls for the real jailor to counterclaim are highly suspicious to me because I don't think the real jailor should counterclaim. I explained this in an earlier post.
I'm gonna
HOS: Zilla, Cephrir
for trying to out any other jailors we have floating around on Day 1, a move that is nearly totally anti-town.

I do agree that it is a risky play to vote TWG but I continued in the lieu of using our vote and I totally don't believe his roleclaim, especially as it came after a role was GM confirmed and it sounds like a mason group, not an individual role.
People mentioned no lynch as a viable option to not risk losing the jailor. It seems a bit of a dicey move to me.
I think some more about it.

Do we know what the minimum votes for a lynch is? That will affect my decision.

[Cephrir]

If the scum want to waste their abilities targetting a jailor, I'm OK with that. If he's scum, he'll get caught eventually. Even if the real Task Force were to not counterclaim, eventually they will die or change their mind. And even so, all the task force has to do to counterclaim without revealing their identity is jail TWG tomorrow. And I'm not really that scared of a culted jailor, at least it's not a killing role or PO. And if it ever becomes apparent that TWG is unlikely to ever be lynched, someone will probably shoot him at night, whether they're a vig who thinks he's cult or the mafia going for a guaranteed PR.

[Ape Boy]

Jailing him would effectively counterclaim, but it would also save him for the Day. Who knows what would happen in the interim?

If for whatever reason we didn't lynch him the next day, it'd be a free mafiate served up to the cult, should there be one.

[Solid Snake]

My reasoning is that if there is cult and if he is jailer he is an absolutely massive target cause a cult with a jailer is practically unstoppable.

Most Mafia games with under 20 players don't have cults.
I know that's metagaming to an extent, but if there's a cult and a mafia and a serial killer all in this game, town's so overwhelmed, why would the host even consider a voteless townie role? >.>
If there's one practical application I can take away from my very existence, it's that antitown isn't so powerful as to demand that every townie have a vote. So either the game is imbalanced, or we can expect that we won't be dealing with a potential scenario where we're up against a cult and an SK and a semi-decent Mafioso.

Could I be wrong? Of course. However, the line of reasoning that TWG is a suitable lynch target 'because there may be a cult" is stupid. Let's actually confirm if there is a cult first before we maim people based on the assumption that they just might be converted by a purely hypothetical cult. Your behavior here seems a bit too extreme and isn't justified by what we actually know. The only possible way your behavior is pro-town is if you Smarty are the Ravencroft Task Force and you're just trying to keep the lynch on TWG without actually giving your identity away to scum. That seems unlikely.

In fact, your calls for the real jailor to counterclaim are highly suspicious to me because I don't think the real jailor should counterclaim. I explained this in an earlier post.

...Again, this makes me suspicious of one of two possibilities:

1. Smarty is scum, OR
2. Smarty is the real jailor.

I don't even think there's much a middle ground, here. If you were just a random town role, you wouldn't be phrasing your arguments in such a manner on D1, when absolutely no one has the slightest clue who anyone is and every random townie tends to make their arguments in more vague/random and less vigorous terms. I suspect you're either acting against the interests of town yourself, or you're trying to indirectly send the message that you're the real jailor. (Which, while possible, seems extraordinarily unlikely. Why the hell would TWG claim this role and expose the fact that he is scum to the real janitor -- even if the real janitor keeps it a secret -- when he could just claim any other role, from townie vanilla to all variations of bombs and jacks and dayvigs and what have you -- and have a greater chance of ensuring everyone buys his claim? Why out himself so easily to even a single townie? And if you were the real jailor, wouldn't your impassioned arguments effectively give away your identity to scum -- assuming TWG is scum -- just as well as an actual counterclaim would?)

People mentioned no lynch as a viable option to not risk losing the jailor. It seems a bit of a dicey move to me.

This logic, at least, I will agree with. No lynches are terrible moves in all Mafia games, period. You're effectively allowing scum and other antitown factions a free night. Even if we're not entirely sure if we hit scum, we still need to take the chance against somebody. The sheer possibility that we hit scum and severely weaken them from the beginning is a risk worth taking.

Of course I don't even have a vote to offer, so take that as you will.

[Cephrir]

...Again, this makes me suspicious of one of two possibilities:

1. Smarty is scum, OR
2. Smarty is the real jailor.
Shush. You're not supposed to point out things like that.

Jailing him would effectively counterclaim, but it would also save him for the Day. Who knows what would happen in the interim?
I do. Nothing relevant.

If for whatever reason we didn't lynch him the next day, it'd be a free mafiate served up to the cult, should there be one.
1. Why would we not lynch a confirmed scum?
2. Why would a cult be stupid enough to induct a confirmed scum?

You're a somewhat logical player. What reason do you have for continuing to throw suspicion on TWG? There's no point in lynching him today and I find it suspicious that you apparently can't see that.

Vote: Ape Boy

[Captain Combustible]

I agree with Cephrir and Zilla here, TWG claimed a pro-town role taht we know exists and can be confirmed tommorow so I don't see why we shouldn't wait.

Jailing him would effectively counterclaim, but it would also save him for the Day. Who knows what would happen in the interim?

If for whatever reason we didn't lynch him the next day, it'd be a free mafiate served up to the cult, should there be one.

If he was jailed then he couldn't do anything that night and he couldn't be targeted that night either, so really nothing would happen in the meantime.

Also assuming there is a cult are they going to gamble on culting somwone whoes likely to be lynched if he is lying and killed by the mafia if he's teling the truth?

I think it's silly to lynch someone who can easily be proven to be town or mafiate the next day and I think that if Ape Boy were town he wouldn't be pushing this hard for a lynch.

Vote: Ape Boy

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Unvote: TWG

You have convinced me, in that the real jailor can easily jail him tommorow without revealing his identity. What had me most worried was the fact that the jailor would have to reveal himself and to be honest I didn't even think of this train of action as a way out.
I also tend to think the jailor harms the town overall so I wasn't too worried if his roleclaim was true but I suppose if it is true he is at least a townie and deserves to live.

Vote: Apeboy
Mostly because deadline is approaching.

[Fungrus]

Yeah, Vote: Ape Boy for wanting to lynch TWG so much.

[Ape Boy]

It's simple: While nothing happens in the interim with TWG while he is jailed, the identity of the Don, more powerful Mafiate, or the SK could come up, and we'd certainly lynch them over TWG.

The cult then would take him, even if he eats it later, just to learn the identities of the rest of the Mafia. Taking control of killing roles is a major plus for cults.

I'd already come to terms with the idea that you guys could swing toward me, and I'm fine. I have a very expendable role and won't hurt Town much by being gone.

When I come up Town, though, make sure you take a hard look at the people causing the swing, as well as Zilla, SMB, Fungrus, Cephrir, and be sure on TWG/Nikose.

UNVOTE
VOTE: Ape Boy

Have fun, kids!

[Moogle0119]

Final Vote Count for Day 1...

Ape Boy (6)
Ravashak
Cephrir
Captain Combustible
Smarty McBarrelpants
Fungrus
Ape Boy

As the various super-powered individuals argued amongst themselves, they finally decided to go after one of the ones they thought was responsible for all the chaos in the streets lately. They headed to the church where they knew they would find him. Inside the church the mob group found themselves face to face with a man who wore an extremely long cloak.

"Why have you come here?" asked the man.

Various reasons were brought up, but eventually they all agreed that the man's dark powers that came from his cloak must be behind everything.

"You are wrong, but if you must then so be it. Just do not harm Dagger, she means the world to me." said the man as he gave up. "I knew this day would come, I will not resist."

And with that the group attacked the man and beat him until he was no longer alive. Although his powers were indeed fueled by darkness, his heart was not; and now the body of Ape Boy, Tyrone "Ty" Johnson (Cloak) laid dead as their result for the day. The sun set and soon carnage would fill the streets for the night.

Night 1, 48 hours as of this post for the deadline.



Carnage and his gang of misfits were roaming the town that night looking for any victims to kill. As the rest of the group were flying/swinging around the city Carnage had managed to fall behind the group and was working to catch up when suddenly he was tackled in mid-swing by someone and they both landed into an alleyway. Carnage fought with his mysterious assailant but quickly noticed that he too had super powers indicated by super strength, uncanny agility, and the ability to fly as well. If anyone had stumbled upon these two fighting they would no doubt think they were both monsters.

"Ok, I get it. You just want to show that you can hang with the best of us eh? Why don't you just join us, I mean you've already got the looks and besides I know you love killing just as much as we do. What do you say?" said Carnage while trading blows with the other monster.

"I am not concerned with joining you or your perversion of a family. You spill innocent blood and for that I will make sure you pay with your own blood."

"Haha, you're crazier than I am if you think you can kill me. Funny thing about my blood anyway, this symbiote is actually bonded to it. You can't get rid of the symbiote, it lives within me!"

"Very well, then I will drain you of your blood completely until the monster is gone." said Carnage's attacker as he grabbed Carnage by the neck and lunged at his neck with his fangs. The creature bit down and and began to drain the very blood out of Carnage. Even as his symbiote flailed with all its might, he would not relinquish his hold on him. Finally Carnage had lost too much blood and he stopped fighting back. With the creature's thirst for blood having been satisfied, it flew off and left the body of Zilla, Cletus Kasady (Carnage - Mafia Don) alone in the alleyway.


The next morning the Daily Bugle was quick to print that the ringleader of all the deaths in New York City was found dead in an alleyway. Curiously enough though, another big story was printed in an article next to the one pertaining to Carnage's death. This other article though was written by Ben Urich and was about the girl who had been tagging along with Carnage during his killing spree lately. It went into various details about where she grew up and why she was originally being held in Ravencroft in the first place, but the main thing in the article was that it detailed her real name being Smarty McBarrelpants, Frances Louise Barrison (Shriek - 2nd Mafiate).

Day 2. 9 to lynch. No deadline yet.

LATE EDIT: Because I forgot to say so when posting the Night post, Nikose is out of jail for the record.

[Zilla]

vigged. Curses!

[Ravashak]

I'm not too much into the comics, saw one of the cartoons a bunch of years back, though, so I don't know how reliable Ben Urich is supposed to be. Anyone with a better grasp of the comic or with time to look it up care to comment about that?

[Nikose Tyris]

*ahem*

Carnage, Shriek, Doppelganger, Demogoblin, and Carrion are LIKELY the mafiates roles. I would think that Venom would be the Cult leader if there is one as well, however Venom is supposedly a 'good guy' in this comic storyline. So not sure. Definite roles that should show up in this game are Captain America, Black Cat, Nightwatch, Cloak and Dagger, Iron Fist, Deathlok, Morbius and Firestar, to name a few.

Urich is a trusted source to me.

VOTE: Smarty McBarrelpants.

See Originally I wanted to die because I thought "Oh shit there's a cult" so I was just taunting people with first-day to try and die. Why I didn't die, I don't know but I'm not REASONABLY sure there isn't one, as he'd have to butcher the Maximum Carnage Storyline.

Also I think there's at least 1 townie in this storyline that when checked will come up as a mafiate, OR a mafiate that when checked will come up as a townie. So even if someone looks like spiderman to a PO check, he dies regardless.

Edit to further annoy ZillPickle: I'm not actually adding anything here I just like to tease you. <3 OH NOES HE'S EDITING IN A MAFIA GAME.

[Cephrir]

Vote: SMB

Sucks to be you.

[Fungrus]

Vote: SMB

Nikose, thanks for making a scum role claim that much easier...

[Nikose Tyris]

Vote: SMB

Nikose, thanks for making a scum role claim that much easier...

Actually, more so then you know. I know the people's names who have each of those named roles. So when people make a roleclaim I can call 'bullshit' when they out themselves.

Merry christmas!

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

*ahem*

Carnage, Shriek, Doppelganger, Demogoblin, and Carrion are LIKELY the mafiates roles. I would think that Venom would be the Cult leader if there is one as well, however Venom is supposedly a 'good guy' in this comic storyline. So not sure. Definite roles that should show up in this game are Captain America, Black Cat, Nightwatch, Cloak and Dagger, Iron Fist, Deathlok, Morbius and Firestar, to name a few.

Urich is a trusted source to me.

VOTE: Smarty McBarrelpants.

See Originally I wanted to die because I thought "Oh shit there's a cult" so I was just taunting people with first-day to try and die. Why I didn't die, I don't know but I'm not REASONABLY sure there isn't one, as he'd have to butcher the Maximum Carnage Storyline.

Also I think there's at least 1 townie in this storyline that when checked will come up as a mafiate, OR a mafiate that when checked will come up as a townie. So even if someone looks like spiderman to a PO check, he dies regardless.

Edit to further annoy ZillPickle: I'm not actually adding anything here I just like to tease you. <3 OH NOES HE'S EDITING IN A MAFIA GAME.

I'm just kind of curious where you are getting all thi information from. Like how do you know Venom is a good guy and how do you know about people with roles that come up opposite.
Or even the other role names you listed.
And why are you hiding it? LIke more specifically:

Actually, more so then you know. I know the people's names who have each of those named roles. So when people make a roleclaim I can call 'bullshit' when they out themselves.

Merry christmas!

So you know the entire mafia and you are not going to reveal it to the town?

Vote: Nikose

I know I am a sensible lynch but you can do that tommorow or nightkill me. Nikose clearly has some superpowered God role which is not in the interests of the town. I think he probably needs to die before a person pegged as a simple mafiate.

[Nikose Tyris]

I'm just kind of curious where you are getting all thi information from. Like how do you know Venom is a good guy and how do you know about people with roles that come up opposite.
Or even the other role names you listed.
And why are you hiding it? LIke more specifically:


So you know the entire mafia and you are not going to reveal it to the town?

Vote: Nikose

I know I am a sensible lynch but you can do that tommorow or nightkill me. Nikose clearly has some superpowered God role which is not in the interests of the town. I think he probably needs to die before a person pegged as a simple mafiate.

Hey you're so awesome that you're reading things complete wrong AND THATS WHY WE LOVE YOU.

I know the named roles of Captain America and the other heroes. You're cute though. Here's a cookie.

Also, I take it you don't read comic books. <3 You should read comic books, especially in a mafia that is dedicated to a specific comic book story arc. ((It helps explain storyline.))

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Hey you're so awesome that you're reading things complete wrong AND THATS WHY WE LOVE YOU.

I know the named roles of Captain America and the other heroes. You're cute though. Here's a cookie.

Also, I take it you don't read comic books. <3 You should read comic books, especially in a mafia that is dedicated to a specific comic book story arc. ((It helps explain storyline.))

Well that was not what you claimed originally. You get a cookie for being ambiguous.
It still seems iffy to me the amount of information you have.
Edit: Cause it annoys Zilla and she is dead.

[Nikose Tyris]

Well there's a lot of things that would seem iffy to you but since you've been outed by the Reporter character who is literally a Reporter (in the comics he never gets anything wrong. Seriously he like random guessed that Daredevil was Matt Murdoc, that's hardcore.) I think we're all pretty safe in killing you off.

Also in case anyone has missed it no I won't take this game seriously and attempts to logically defeat my arguments are going to be met with, "Yeah but your mother" and similar responses. <3 Not to say don't refute my points but don't expect an honest-to-goodness response from me.

I'm going to wait a few minutes so it gets a time stamp on my edit.
Edit: That should give a time stamp.
Edit2: Lawl I could have accidentally put the MAFIA LEADER'S REAL NAME in here but then saw my mistake and deleted it but it's okay we all know it was Zilla anyway.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Well yeah but I'm not really a huge threat that needs to be dealt with immediatly. Killing me now would achieve nothing as it only matters when the last mafia member is dead and it is a reasonable assumption that there is more than two.
In fact, assuming I am mafia and depending on how the mafia work with roleblockers, it could even be feasible to keep me alive for a while simply to roleblock me to stop the mafia kill.
You, however, are an unknown level of threat to the town and thus should be dealt with immediatly.
I'm trying to help the town at the moment whereas you are just going to hand them riddles to progress to whatever unknown win condition you have.

Edit: Also your update clearly implie that you did in fact know the name of the mafia leader before it was revealed.

[Nikose Tyris]

"Yeah but your mother"

<3

It actually doesn't imply that as she's dead and the whole thing was posted like 4 posts before mine. Whee, ain't that fun?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

The content of it says otherwise. If you had no prior knowledge you couldn't accidentely reveal it could you.

[Nikose Tyris]

The content of it says otherwise. If you had no prior knowledge you couldn't accidentely reveal it could you.

"Yeah but your mother."

That would be the joke.

[Cephrir]

SMB, you know just as well as I do that your argument doesn't make any sense. It's OK to give up sometimes you know :p

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Are you serious Ceph?
Like actually?

I'm not saying I shouldn't be lynched. I'm just saying I'm such a ridiculously small threat to the town and an absolutely known threat that it doesn't make any sense to lynch me today when you have ridiculous unknown roles like Nikose flying around.

Lynching me at this point achieves nothing and actually drags the town backwards becasue you cannot shut down the mafia kill when you are alive.

Just think a little Ceph. It's the same reason why in cult games you ignore the mafia earlier on to hunt cult. It's not that difficult a concept.

[Stress Ball]

Killing me now would achieve nothing as it only matters when the last mafia member is dead and it is a reasonable assumption that there is more than two.

We know that there are 5, and your death would leave 3.

Vote: SMB

Nikose's information seems to make sense, as it appears Morbis was the one who vigged last night.

[Nikose Tyris]

We know that there are 5, and your death would leave 3.

Vote: SMB

Nikose's information seems to make sense, as it appears Morbis was the one who vigged last night.

"Yeah but your Mother" - wait we weren't debating.

DAMNIT.

Nah I jest. I'm just having too much fun with this now. XD

[The Wandering God]

Vote: Smarty McBarrelpants
Reason: Moogle's post

Also, I have suspicions that Nikose is the SK. (No SK kill last night, and it's highly likely this game has one since the town already has some extra power roles. Of course, the SK could have refrained from killing just to give this impression.)

The Wandering God

[Nikose Tyris]

Actually I don't think there is a Serial Killer in this game. Moogle seems to have shaped it around the comic storyline, and there wasn't any SK-like character in it at all.

[Griever]

Vote: Smarty McBarrelpants

Claim as you will that you're a small threat to the town, you still happen to be a threat and we now know that....so yeah.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Sigh. That's what I get for actually trying to help the town fend off thier approaching loss.

And Griever I'm not a small threat, I'm an anti-threat. My being alive helps the town until the last members of the mafia are discovered.

[Nikose Tyris]

Sigh. That's what I get for actually trying to help the town fend off thier approaching loss.

And Griever I'm not a small threat, I'm an anti-threat. My being alive helps the town until the last members of the mafia are discovered.

That is the stupidest thing you have ever said.

Like, ever.

[Solid Snake]

...Wait, no mafia kills last night? Do I understand that correctly? If so, I think I know why.

[Nikose Tyris]

...Wait, no mafia kills last night? Do I understand that correctly? If so, I think I know why.

Because the Mafia Don died in the night, so they didn't get their kill in. At least that's how I took it.

[Ravashak]

Well there's a lot of things that would seem iffy to you but since you've been outed by the Reporter character who is literally a Reporter (in the comics he never gets anything wrong. Seriously he like random guessed that Daredevil was Matt Murdoc, that's hardcore.) I think we're all pretty safe in killing you off.Thanks for the info on the reporter.

Vote: SMB

And Snake, want to share your thoughts?

[Captain Combustible]

Are you serious Ceph?
Like actually?

I'm not saying I shouldn't be lynched. I'm just saying I'm such a ridiculously small threat to the town and an absolutely known threat that it doesn't make any sense to lynch me today when you have ridiculous unknown roles like Nikose flying around.

Lynching me at this point achieves nothing and actually drags the town backwards becasue you cannot shut down the mafia kill when you are alive.

Just think a little Ceph. It's the same reason why in cult games you ignore the mafia earlier on to hunt cult. It's not that difficult a concept.

Well except all those unknown roles might be town while we know you're a mafiate, and what are you even talking about shutting down the mafia kill. Actually that doesn't really matter since I'm voting for you either way.

Vote: Smarty McBarrelpants.

[Tendronai]

VOTE: SMB

Toodles.

[Nikose Tyris]

Oh right and uh bodyguard + PO watch our cute little jail guard (who I believe IS captain America but I could actually be wrong there!) just so we can be certain of his role. so long as his role name fits what I declared in my cliff's notes version of the heroes of this comic saga.

Cause like, he hasn't said a character name and while I totally believe and have faith in TWG, I wanna check him out anyway and having a definite townie is pretty cool.

Also if there is a cult he probably would have been jacked last night so it'd make sense.

Okay so I'm done being serious, brb muffins.

[Moogle0119]

Final Vote Count for Day 2...

Smarty McBarrelpants (9)
Nikose Tyris
Cephrir
Fungrus
Stress Ball
The Wandering God
Griever
Ravashak
Captain Combustible
Tendronai

The mob had all read the latest edition of the Daily Bugle that morning and very quickly came to the decision that Smarty McBarrelpants was to be their target that day. They wandered the streets until they found her hanging around the same alleyway that Carnage had been murdered in the previous night.

"Oh so everyone has come to stop me now huh? You really think I'll let you do that? I've been the one inciting the real chaos in the streets by psychically "transmitting" rage and hatred into the citizens and bringing out the baser instincts of those around me. I'll just crank it up a few notches by focusing on all of you!" she said as she began to focus her energies onto the crowd that had gathered.

They all clutched their heads in pain and agony trying to fight off the urge to attack each other indiscriminately as Smarty McBarrelpants laughed at their attempts to focus. Slowly but surely they came to their senses despite the aura of hate surrounding her. They attacked her instead of each other, and finally the body of Smarty McBarrelpants, Frances Louise Barrison (Shriek - 2nd Mafiate) laid dead at their feet.

Night 2, 48 hours as of this post for the deadline.



As night fell on the city of New York, a lone figure floated above the streets searching for a victim to bring his decaying touch to. He found one and quickly moved in to steal the life out of the man. However, the man's skin was not normal and this made his attempt to decay his flesh impossible. The man with the golden colored skin looked up at the creature oddly and punched him. He flew off into the night without his kill.


Later on, another lone figure had been flying across the city looking for the rest of Carnage's gang. He stopped searching suddenly when he found a man walking down the street who was rubbing the knuckles of his right hand in the palm of his left hand, as if he had just gotten out of a fight. Or could have been looking to start one. That was all that it took for the flying figure to decide he was not innocent and would swoop down to exact vengence upon him. The flying one took the man by surprise, sneaking up on him from behind, and quickly bit down on his neck.

"This just isn't my night, is it?" said the man as he broke hold of his assailant's grasp. His tough golden skin made it impossible for the creature's fangs to even scratch him. The flying one looked at the man somewhat puzzled. He too received a punch to the face. Startled by this, the flying one took off into the night to contemplate things further.



Day 3. 9 to Lynch. No Deadline yet.

[Solid Snake]

...Heh. Night Two resulted in a no-kill?
Strange.

[Mr.Bookworm]

It doesn't actually help, but it's sort of interesting to play Match-the-Superhero. In this case, I think the Mafia guy was Carrion, as he can decay stuff. The Vig sounds like Morbius, who is a vampire except not.

As for the target of both, I have zero idea. I don't recall anyone with golden skin. Maybe Dethlok? He was sort of a cyborg.

[Solid Snake]

I'm not terribly familiar with Spider-Man characters, but would Molten Man count?

[Mr.Bookworm]

I'm not terribly familiar with Spider-Man characters, but would Molten Man count?

I have zero idea. I just read up a bit on the titular arc when I signed up. Anyway, there weren't a (comparatively) massive amount of characters involved, and I'm pretty sure Molten Man wasn't one of them.

[Nikose Tyris]

*whistles innocently* I have absolutely no idea.

Vote: Cephrir.

Neeeeeeext.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Vote: Cephrir

Sure why not.

[Masked Jedi]

Why are we voting Cephrir again?

[Cephrir]

Yeah, Cephrir sounds like a good lynch. He's been completely right and awesome the whole game and is a glowing beacon of protownness. We should get rid of him by way of "random" wagon before everyone realizes he's obviously town, then they'll never lynch him.

Also, way to imply that you have info that implicates me when you don't.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Why are we voting Cephrir again?

Nikose was right before, suggesting he has something, and if he's wrong, the Vig can off him tonight. Or we can lynch him tomorrow.

[Solid Snake]

All right, I'm going to at least try to spice things up by finishing my claim (because even if it hypothetically slightly increases my odds of being lynched it's better to play a game with some degree of activity as opposed to watching this game hit a brick wall.)

Insofar as some evidence exists that I was (possibly) targeted by Vig as well as Mafia (unless there's multiple bulletproofs wandering about), my gambit may have worked as intended. And if it did, there's really no further purpose in me playing the vague game as I think (hope?) that my full-claim can fairly definitively prove I am town-aligned. Even if I can't vote, one more town member alive in the game makes it that much harder for Mafia to win with their necessary majority. And I'm pretty sure you all could have figured this out based on my comments earlier, so here's my role (in my own words)

I am Mark Raxton, Molten Man, (surprise!) town-aligned, voteless (can fake-vote, but my votes don't count,) and un-nightkillable.

I presume the inability to be nightkilled partially compensates for my inability to vote. Simply put, if I'm not lynched, I just sit around and give town +1 membership because I can't be killed.

I was hoping to deceive scum into thinking my 'additional powers' ensured they should waste a nightkill on me. Either they actually did waste a nightkill on me or there's another character who is bulletproof (and/or saved by doctor) who could be described as having 'golden skin' or whatever (not sure if that description even works for Molten Man. I'm only familiar with the annoying jerk he is as Liz's brother in Spectacular Spider-Man.)

Scum either bought my D1 "I have extra powers" shenanigans and immediately identified me as a threat to be offed, or they didn't buy my gambit and they never will. So I don't think there's any particular harm in this reveal. (Best case scenario is scum didn't target me, and targeted someone else, which would mean there's two bulletproof townies.)


Big problem with my role is it's easy to believe I'm SK based on the bulletproof part, and bulletproof townie is a favorite for SKs to claim. One reason I'll claim regardless: after two straight nights with hardly any kills (and SKs are usually forced to attempt kills), odds seemed more likely you'd agree the claim's legit.
Still...if anyone wants to waste time trying to lead a lynch on me they're free to do so as I'm probably the least effective town role out there that isn't Vanilla. Better than grasping at straws like we are now, at least.

[Doc ock rokc]

...So basically your Setting yourself out to the wolves. And every wolf that attacks will instantly be Spotted as a Mafia....But in reviewing you never casted a vote and complained about your inablity to vote....
So...are you tired of playing the game or what?

[Solid Snake]

...Huh?

I did cast 'votes.' In fact, casting a vote that subsequently wasn't counted (and I've done that more than once) was precisely how I proved I was 'voteless.'

Throwing myself out to the wolves? How so? I'm bulletproof. The only way I'm killed is if you lynch me. Now, personally, I think the entire point was to attempt to ensure that anyone who tried to lynch me would look scummy, and essentially give town a free +1 membership boost so long as...well...I'm not lynched. The only way I'm throwing myself out to wolves is if I somehow fail to convince you all that I'm town. If I didn't think I had a slam dunk case to defend my town alignment, I don't think I'd have claimed.

I can still contribute to the game, I just can't vote. No one else has done/said nearly enough lately to garner my suspicion, so claiming seemed something I could at least do to get you guys talking. And hell, if you want to lynch me because you think I'm SK that's fine by me -- better than doing nothing. I'd prefer I stick around, and I will contribute if I do stick around, but I'd rather die early in an active and exciting Mafia game than stick around for a snoozefest.

[Nikose Tyris]

Unvote: Cephrir

Vote: Solid Snake

Molten man made no appearance in the Maximum Carnage miniseries.

Also, sorry Ceph; you were a random vote in all honesty. It only got you two votes though.

Edit: I still don't think there is an SK in this game.

Edit2: and Molten Man was a villian wtf.

[Cephrir]

:eek:

Vote: Solid Snake

[Mr.Bookworm]

Uh, Solid Snake, I hate to break this to you, but Molten Man was on fire. On fire.

So, hypothetically, that wouldn't fit at all.

And like Nik said, MM wasn't in the Maxmum Carnage series.

Unvote: Cephrir

Vote: Solid Snake

[Ravashak]

It just doesn't sit well with me, roleclaiming a character that's not supposed to be in the event.

Vote: Solid Snake

[Masked Jedi]

Uh, Solid Snake, I hate to break this to you, but Molten Man was on fire. On fire.

Molten Man was given superhuman powers after exposure to an organic liquid metal alloy obtained from a meteor discovered by Spencer Smythe. His skin completely absorbed the experimental alloy, turning all of the external tissues of his body into a solid metallic substance, as well as the trunks, belt, and boots he was wearing at the time of the accident. As a result, Molten Man possesses superhuman strength and his skin is composed of a frictionless metal that grants him a high degree of resistance to physical injury. Raxton's metallic fingers are sensitive enough to pick locks (making him an expert safe cracker), and his skin is so slick he cannot be restrained with Spider-Man's webbing. Molten Man's skin can also generate intense heat, burning anybody who tries to touch him and shooting flaming projectiles at his foes. At one time, his skin was like molten lava, allowing him to project radiation and heat up to 300 °F (149 °C). In his molten form, the Molten Man's skin may reach a critical stage at which point his skin could actually melt off him.

The fiery Molten Man was a one time event. Most of the time he's metallic. Which fits with the description in the nightpost. And I'm a bit colourblind, but wasn't his speech in yellow? The colour of town?

Solid Snake's clean, guys.

[Captain Combustible]

Unvote: Cephrir

Vote: Solid Snake

Molten man made no appearance in the Maximum Carnage miniseries.

Also, sorry Ceph; you were a random vote in all honesty. It only got you two votes though.

Edit: I still don't think there is an SK in this game.

Edit2: and Molten Man was a villian wtf.

Even if he didn't appear in the mini-series Moogle might have put him in since there might not have had been enough roles for everyone in the story and given the evidence that the description on the nightpost fits the Molten Man character and he's shown as town. Also Molten Man was a villian initially, but later became good.

Also why would Solid Snake claim like this if he was lying? The real nightkill immune guy who was shown to be town in the nightpost could just counter him and not even have to worry about being killed.

I can see why Nikose voted for Solid Snake, but the other votes votes seemed much more opportunistic.

FoS: Bookworm and Ravashak
Vote: Cephrir.

[Cephrir]

It just doesn't sit well with me, roleclaiming a character that's not supposed to be in the event.

Vote: Solid Snake

This post is worded oddly.

@CC: Oppurtunistic? Nikose said the character wasn't in the series, you can't expect us not to vote for him. Plus, he's already made an excuse for the possibility that the other unNKable character isn't him.

[Solid Snake]

Man you guys are going to feel really guilty once I actually do flip Molten Man and town.

Can I ask two (semi-rhetorical) questions, though?

A: Given that I was at virtually no risk of being voted out today prior to roleclaiming, why would I deliberately roleclaim in this situation if I were scum? In other words, if I was scum and guarenteed to survive another day if I didn't say anything, why deliberately throw myself into the flames?
B: Why would I deliberately claim a villainous character that did not appear in the Maximum Carnage series if I was scum making a fake claim? Hell, even under the assumption that scum would want to fake-claim a character outside the Maximum Carnage series to escape the possibility of claiming a taken character, why not claim any one of the dozens of Spider-Man allies and random civilians who wouldn't seem so suspicious?
I alluded to the fact that my character was a morally ambiguous pseudo-villain sort long before roleclaiming, so I'm just being honest.

I will say this; if I am actually lynched today I will look forward to said lynching under the sheer knowledge that I'll have been lynched off the stupidest town team ever in the history of towns. I mean I'm not sure how I could have possibly made sure I seemed more pro-town before roleclaiming than I possibly did. I proved I was voteless, played my role ambiguously in hopes of forcing scum to waste a nightkill, proved the likelihood I had been targeted (and possibly, albeit not definitively, forced scum to waste a nightkill), claimed when it became clear to me that hiding the full truth of my role could potentially hurt town as much as scum, and made it clear that I am almost definitely not a Serial Killer. (If I were, I would have killed someone by now!) What the heck more can I do, fellows?

FoS: Everyone who voted me, because I'm selfish like that.
Vote: Mr. Bookworm

[Mr.Bookworm]

Okay, I'll bite. I honestly didn't notice the entire thing with you being voteless, as I tend to skim a bit when updating on Mafia.

My only problem is that Molten Man wasn't even in Maximum Carnage. But I suppose Moogle could have just padded out the roster with other Spider-Man characters.

So, Unvote: Solid Snake.

And, er, what now?

[Nikose Tyris]

So first off, there's no evidence it was Solid Snake who was attacked, so you really shouldn't assume that.

Second, Captain Combustible is also Mafia.

[Captain Combustible]

So first off, there's no evidence it was Solid Snake who was attacked, so you really shouldn't assume that.

Second, Captain Combustible is also Mafia.

The night post mentioned the person who was attacked having strange golden skin, this fits Molten Man well and as far as I know doesn't really fit any of the characters involved in the carnage storyline. Even if Molten Man wasn't in the storyline what other golden colored, attack resistant hero would have been the guy mentioned in the nightpost?

[Nikose Tyris]

The night post mentioned the person who was attacked having strange golden skin, this fits Molten Man well and as far as I know doesn't really fit any of the characters involved in the carnage storyline. Even if Molten Man wasn't in the storyline what other golden colored, attack resistant hero would have been the guy mentioned in the nightpost?

Famous Gold, attack resistant skin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_(comics). Elixir for one. Right time line and everything. Hell, this would have been a smarter role claim then just googling "Gold Marvel Heroes" and grabbing the first one he found.

Edit: Wait fuck I meant to say, "Your mother." Dammit I was so close to not contributing anything but simple "This is how things are" posts. >.<

Edit2: Actually I find it hilarious I counterpost that the role is more likely a different character that is a hero. Before you start saying "Well then he's clearly town aligned!" please remember there is NO indication the night-strike actually aimed at solid snake, or that he was blocking it, or anything similar. I believe he grabbed a role claim he thought would be convenient and was called out on it.

Edit3: also you should be voted dead just for calling me stupid. :'(

Edit4: and now I don't feel like posting anymore. Further responses to this will be deemed completely illogical and I'll be taking a nap. <3

[Doc ock rokc]

...I'll vote for Solid if he wants out and only if he wants out.

[Cephrir]

Man you guys are going to feel really guilty once I actually do flip Molten Man and town.
This attitude is not helpful and obnoxiously prevalent. If you did flip town, no, we wouldn't feel that guilty because we would have made a reasonable decision.

A: Given that I was at virtually no risk of being voted out today prior to roleclaiming, why would I deliberately roleclaim in this situation if I were scum? In other words, if I was scum and guarenteed to survive another day if I didn't say anything, why deliberately throw myself into the flames?
This is true, but if you think about it you really didn't have any reason to do this as town either.

B: Why would I deliberately claim a villainous character that did not appear in the Maximum Carnage series if I was scum making a fake claim? Hell, even under the assumption that scum would want to fake-claim a character outside the Maximum Carnage series to escape the possibility of claiming a taken character, why not claim any one of the dozens of Spider-Man allies and random civilians who wouldn't seem so suspicious?
"If I were scum, why would I do X?" = textbook WIFOM.

I will say this; if I am actually lynched today I will look forward to said lynching under the sheer knowledge that I'll have been lynched off the stupidest town team ever in the history of towns.
I could probably find more than a few worse ones for you ;)

[Moogle0119]

Vote Count

Solid Snake (3)
Nikose Tyris
Cephrir
Ravashak

Cephrir (1)
Captain Combustible

Still 9 to lynch. Still no deadline as long as conversation persists.

[Captain Combustible]

Famous Gold, attack resistant skin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elixir_(comics). Elixir for one. Right time line and everything. Hell, this would have been a smarter role claim then just googling "Gold Marvel Heroes" and grabbing the first one he found.

Well except that not only was this guy not in the carnage storyline as far as I can tell based on his wiki entry he has never had anything to do with spiderman. Although his skin is gold colored, it isn't super strong or anything like that which would make him nightkill immune.

[Nikose Tyris]

WIFOM.
Despite how much I'm liking you for town aligned if you do that again I will rouse a fire under your ass. <3

@CC:
Goldie has the power of matter manipulation, and can turn himself invulnerable as well. Also, he's in the same time line functionally as Maximum Carnage occurs.

On the other hand I have you peg'd as mafia too. So uh. Yeah.

Also, posting primarily because my girlfriend isn't online yet and I miss my snugglekins. :(

[Mr.Bookworm]

Despite how much I'm liking you for town aligned if you do that again I will rouse a fire under your ass. <3

@CC:
Goldie has the power of matter manipulation, and can turn himself invulnerable as well. Also, he's in the same time line functionally as Maximum Carnage occurs.

On the other hand I have you peg'd as mafia too. So uh. Yeah.

Also, posting primarily because my girlfriend isn't online yet and I miss my snugglekins. :(

It wouldn't be Elixir, though. Elixir is an X-Men, and never showed up anywhere near Spider-Man, while Molten Man was in fact a Spider-Man character. Thus, I think I'll leave my vote off Solid Snake for the moment.

[Nikose Tyris]

It wouldn't be Elixir, though. Elixir is an X-Men, and never showed up anywhere near Spider-Man, while Molten Man was in fact a Spider-Man character. Thus, I think I'll leave my vote off Solid Snake for the moment.

While that is accurate, Molten man wasn't active during the Carnage episode; whereas Elixir is during this timeline, and while he does not appear, other x-men do- and Stryker, I beleive, may show up as an opponent in this. It might be WHY 'elixir' showed up.

And remember, this arguement is not that SS is Elixir. It is that elixir is in this game but that Molten man is not.

[Solid Snake]

So, the general vibe here is that y'all are going to vote on me simply because I actually attempted to contribute, while no other player is being pressured to contribute anything? Hmm. At least I did succeed in spicing the game up and awakening us out of that brief period of inactivity.

At this juncture my defense can essentially only be this: everything I've done has been in an attempt to benefit town, and I hope that once all is said and done you'll look back at what happened in this game and agree with that assessment. I'm not really sure where I went wrong (Cephrir calls me out for WIFOM, but seriously, what argument could I possibly make in my defense that couldn't be interpreted as WIFOM?)

RE: Cephrir's points: I'll concede a few sentences in my posts were a bit aggressive and used detrimental language. To be completely honest, I thought I had an opportunity to make it clear I was town-aligned, thought I had a near bulletproof (no pun intended) case really, and the sudden vote piling after the fact caught me off-guard.

At any rate, I'm pretty confident I still win with town even if I'm killed, and since I'm voteless, I'm not a huge loss. I always take Mafia games too personally and get too riled up when I'm criticized in these games (see: Snake's classic over-defensiveness in several NPF discussion topics.) I guess my closing argument is, I've contributed what I can to town in attempting to utilize my role to trip scum for a day or so, and keeping me alive from here on out really only keeps me around as a mouthpiece to add to discussion. I'd prefer to stay alive, but if you want me gone, feel free to pull the plug.

Oh, what the hell, I'll contribute a few final notes of perceived scum/town vibes:
My general advice to town however would be to take note as who votes against me and why. Vibes from Nikose are actually decently pro-town (he spotted semi-legitimate issues with Molten Man, was the first to call me out and wasn't following a lynch train. I think he's town, and unfortunately, genuinely convinced I'm scum. My only minor concern is how certain he sounds based primarily on conjecture on the validity of Molten Man as an assigned role.)

I'm suspicious of Mr. Bookman (which may sound stupid as his vote is currently off me, but whatevs.) His vote on me seemed to be a reactionary bit of lynch-training and his vote off me the moment I spoke up and faux-voted him seemed over-protective. At least Nikose was consistent. Same suspicion from my perspective also applies to Rava.
Don't really know what to think of Cephrir or my apparent defender, Capt. Combustible, who may either be genuinely concerned about me or may be scum trying to benefit by looking clean(er) after town makes a mistake and lynches a fellow townie.

Unless y'all wish to ask me more direct, pointed questions in the next couple hours, this may be my last post of the 'day.' I'm gone tomorrow until the evening and I suspect by then choices will be made.

[B_real_shadows]

You're outing yourself to us, IMO, is like me going out of my way to say "Hey guys, I'm Peter Parker, Spider-man! Don't lynch me cause I can't be night killed due to my spidey senses! Although, if you want to prove it, why won't the night killers come out and out yourselves if I'm lying about being spidey."*

To me, it screams of "I'm gonna try and get the other killer to out themselves so that the other killer (mafia) can kill them tonight".

VOTE: SOLID SNAKE

*not to be confused as an actual roleclaim!

[Solid Snake]

Huh? I'm not asking the town-aligned 'night killers' to 'out themselves.' They can and should keep their roles secret. I am telling those night killers that they can try to shoot me at night if they have any reason to suspect I'm scum and I'm lying about being bulletproof.

[Nikose Tyris]

Seriously if SS turns up Mafia, CC is a mafiate. hand to god.

Edit: in one of these posts I called Solid Snake "Booster Gold" accidentally and edited it out. OOH ADMISSION OF SNEAKY GUILT?! YOU BE THE JUDGE.

No seriously I'm having too much fun now that I've stepped back and decided, "Hey awesome as long as I don't care this shit's kinda fun!"

Edit2: I don't think Booster Gold is even marvel that's the best part.

Edit3: I love how this mafia is just active as all hell and it would be active even if it was like just me posting because I'd be sitting making posts about daykill, broad-daylight shootouts, shit I might write a fanfic in one of these posts if it gets inactive.

Edit4: I'm sure there's a nerve in Zilla, probably the last one, that we are grinding with our constant edits.

Edit5: You know this probably doesn't apply here and nobody wants to know but I just drank an Iced Tea with Oatmeal for breakfast. Isn't that weird? Iced tea isn't a breakfast drink, and it certainly doesn't go with oatmeal.

[Cephrir]

I'm suspicious of Mr. Bookman (which may sound stupid as his vote is currently off me, but whatevs.)
No it doesn't... it's the reverse that can't really be relied on.

Also, way to give up completely with only 3 votes on you. Emo much.

Despite how much I'm liking you for town aligned if you do that again I will rouse a fire under your ass <3
<3

If it's any consolation I tried to resist... I know how much you people hate 5-letter abbreviations >.>

[Moogle0119]

Deadline in 48 hours, that should get things moving.

[Ravashak]

To elaborate a bit on my vote on Solid, as I see it, there are two options.

First, he's what he says he is, a voteless, non-night-killable character (who probably had a double attempt on his life last night).
The alternative is that he's scum trying to disguise himself.

If the first is true, he's already finished his role, he took a would-be nightkill for town. With a lack of counting votes for lynches, this means he'll be unable to contribute anything more with abilities or votes. Even if he dies, it won't make a difference for Town vote-wise.
If he's scum, it'd simply be better to take him out.

[Stress Ball]

Solid Snake seems to have contributed a great deal to the game so far, and Molten Man does appear in Spectacular Spider-Man, so his roleclaim does make sense. Pretty certain he's town.

Vote: Ravashak

Seems to pass off SS's lynch as having no repercussions towards the town, even though Snake's post have been some of the most insightful.

[Nikose Tyris]

See I also suspect Ravashak so that's okay too but I'd rather we off Solid Snake.

Because While Molten Man DOES appear in Spidey, he doesn't appear anywhere near the time period of Maximum Carnage. I'm saying it again yes. This is, like, X-FORCE timeline we're talking. It'd be like Grandpa Superman showing and being like, "Lol I win."

[Stress Ball]

The game originally had only 17 roles in it, so it's not unreasonable that Molten Man was one that was added in at the last minute.

[Nikose Tyris]

It is to me, cause I think moogle pays more attention to the little details like that. I mean he's already clearly anal about his comic books, (which is totally reasonable because for similar reasons DON'T FUCK WITH MY STAR WARS), So I think he'd have grabbed someone else who would have been active.

Cause seriously if he puts in Molten man that's like, Shame on him. big shame. That's like Making your Big Screen enemy the hero's father, that's just a stupid thing to do.

[Stress Ball]

Found this (http://www.comicvine.com/web-of-spider-man-maximum-carnage-part-10-sin-city/37-37672/) with a quick search of Google. Guess who's listed in the 'characters' section.

[Nikose Tyris]

yeah it's great that he's listed in the characters section, but if you pick up and read the series, or look at where he's creditted to appearing you suddenly find out (Shock gasp awe) that not only is he a VILLIAN, but he's not in this comic series! :O I KNOW IT IS SO SHOCKING CAUSE I ONLY SAID IT LIKE 12 TIMES EVEN. D:

Edit: Okay you know what, fine. Molten man could be in this game. Let's just let you be okay with that.

That doesn't change the fact that

A) SS did a completely bullshit roleclaim off the top of his head with no actual support behind it, and

B) Molten Man is a VILLAIN ANYWAY.

[Stress Ball]

Fine, no reason to argue this further. Just don't want to lynch someone who seems like town to me.

[Ravashak]

I admit, it's not a strong case I have on my vote against Solid, and I'm more than willing to vote for someone else if a decent argument is brought up (and so far, the arguments were random, eyebrow raising due to Solid's claim, and votes against people whose eyebrows raised due to Solid's claim, none have a strong basis)

Looking at the first lynch, though, it's not like a large majority is needed to bring one about (6 out of 19). To be honest, I think that everyone in the game has a power, usefullness of some might be debatable, but still, the majority should be superheroes (or villains) after all. Like I said earlier, either Solid told the truth and he, as Molten Man, now only has conversation (no votes or active abilities) to add to town, or he faked it, which'd make him scum.

If there are better alternatives, I'm far from set on my current vote.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Gah, dammit. Why do I keep flip-flopping?

Vote: Solid Snake.

Part of it might be that it's Bookworm, not Bookman.

Petty? Me? Never.

[Masked Jedi]

Molten Man is technically a villain, but he's very much a borderline villain. He can be good, and Solid Snake is good. Trust me.

[The Wandering God]

Well, I'm not sure about Solid.

If he's telling the truth, then the mafia (and vig) already knows he can't be night killed since they already targeted him. So his power has already benefited the town the most it can. But he still counts as a townie for mafia/townie ratio, so it'd be a bad idea to kill him. And I'm guessing at least one mafiate is among his voters. Now to figure out which...

It makes sense to give the night kill immune person the inability to vote, as this makes them more of an additional townie voice to listen to. Solid went out of his way to point out his non-voting power early, and this obviously drew the attention of the night kill roles.

I think some people are getting too hung up on meta gaming (I'm looking at you Nikose) to actually consider this game in and of itself.

Still, even if he does turn out to be townie and he is unfortunately lynched, at least he already bought us an extra night of safety from the mafia.

The Wandering God

[Captain Combustible]

Actually if Solid Snake was lying about having been the guy in the nightpost wouldn't the vigilante know he's lying and kill him tonight? I don't see why we should lynch him now when he's going to die if he's a lying mafiate anyway.

[Cephrir]

Unvote

Fine, I'll buy it.

[Nikose Tyris]

I refuse to by that regardless because he called us stupid. plus he's the most likely suspect next to me and jesus I'm the god damned nightwatch.

Oh yeah that's right I totally just dropped a random roleclaim and now I'm gonna jet the fuck outta here and not look at this game for like 48 hours, SURPRISE ME PEOPLE.

[Cephrir]

What's that now, 2 roleclaims and at least 2 softclaims in the last 3 pages, all for no apparent reason? Anyway, backup suspects...

It's kinda a tossup between Booky (follower to the max) and Doc ock (weird vibes in the last couple pages). *flips coin*

Vote: Booky

[Solid Snake]

Cause seriously if he puts in Molten man that's like, Shame on him. big shame.

Well, just keep that in mind when it's revealed that I am, in fact, Molten Man.


If the first is true, he's already finished his role, he took a would-be nightkill for town. With a lack of counting votes for lynches, this means he'll be unable to contribute anything more with abilities or votes. Even if he dies, it won't make a difference for Town vote-wise.
If he's scum, it'd simply be better to take him out.

I'll actually concede that this argument is sensible. It's probably one reason why I haven't really made as emphatic or longwinded a case to 'save me' as I could. From a sheer practicality standpoint, the only objective benefit I have left to offer town is one more townie to tilt the town/scum ratio.

Given that this is true, the one reason I'm actually fighting at all to stay in this game (aside from just waving my arms and shouting "I've done my part, I'm finished, you can kill me now that I'm worthless!") is due largely to my subjective opinion that I've contributed an awful lot and that I'm capable of assisting town a lot more, even voteless, then some townies who actually have votes seem interested in investing.

At this juncture, if you disagree with this assessment (and I'm sure at least Nikose does,) then it makes sense to get rid of me because my thoughts are the only remaining thing I can contribute.


If he's telling the truth, then the mafia (and vig) already knows he can't be night killed since they already targeted him. So his power has already benefited the town the most it can. But he still counts as a townie for mafia/townie ratio, so it'd be a bad idea to kill him. And I'm guessing at least one mafiate is among his voters. Now to figure out which...


I'd actually guess several scum would take the opportunity to place a vote on me. Assuming scum did target me, and there's not several town bulletproofs waltzing around, scum knows that if town fully believed my claim they'd have absolutely no way to get rid of me. They couldn't shoot me at night, and they wouldn't get the necessary lynch support by day. So I'd just stick around and add a +1 to town membership, even as my vote would continue to be worthless.

I refuse to by that regardless because he called us stupid. plus he's the most likely suspect next to me and jesus I'm the god damned nightwatch.

Oh yeah that's right I totally just dropped a random roleclaim and now I'm gonna jet the fuck outta here and not look at this game for like 48 hours, SURPRISE ME PEOPLE.

I don't know if it's your posting style, Nikose...
But I'm having difficulty deciding whether the latent antagonism towards me in your posts is largely because you're town and you "hate me" because you truly believe I'm scum, or if said hostility is less an issue of my presumed "scumminess" and more an issue of you just really seeming to intently dislike me.
I mean I don't deny that you believe I'm scum, but some of your comments seem...unnecessarily hostile? Admittingly this is coming from the same person who half-jokingly commented that "this is the most stupid town ever" if I'm voted off, but at least I mitigated that statement after the fact.

Take that as you will? I'm sort of interested in regards to the sheer intensity with which you claim I'm scum. One thought that popped into my mind is, maybe you're Insane / Paranoid Cop? Another possibility: you're bulletproof and under the assumption that no other bulletproof town player can/should exist in the game? Or maybe something about my personality just has really rubbed you the wrong way. The degree of your conviction that I'm scum doesn't seem remotely established. (Mocking me over having been busy today struck a nerve, I guess.)

At the very least, I'd advise looking at this Mafia experience from a broader prospective. You're given these days to do a lot more than just prod a single player, and so far several folks have gotten away with barely contributing anything at all. We even have our fair share of lurkers, most of whom seem free to lurk unopposed. Even if you are going to lynch me, I'd suggest you make the best use out of this day and grill other potential targets. This is something we didn't do with Day Two, and I wish I had been online to advise it. Yes, we had scum cornered for an easy lynch, but we could have taken a full twenty-four hours before dropping the hammer to debate scum/town alignment across the board. And bits and pieces of intel typed in previous days can go a long way towards establishing who's scum and who isn't well after the fact.

[Moogle0119]

Everyone had gathered around were discussing who they should get rid of next when suddenly the Ravencroft Task Force showed back up and grabbed Cephrir and took him to Ravencroft for a 24 hour visit. People jailed cannot act, post, or be targeted by lynches or any night roles nor use any night actions (if any) until the start of the next day. All votes that were on Cephrir are now void.

Current vote count...

Solid Snake (4)
Nikose Tyris
Ravashak
B_real_shadows
Mr. Bookworm

Ravashak (1)
Stress Ball

With 15 players active for today (16 alive - 1 for Cephrir) it is now 8 to lynch. Deadline remains the same.

[The Argent Lord]

k, so I happen to be one of those lurkers Solid Snake mentioned, mostly because NPF's method of handling new posts annoys the shit of of me and most of the time I can't be bothered to stop by here at all because I like to actually KNOW where I stopped reading a thread.

Anyway, Solid Snake doesn't seem like scum to me. The arguments against him seem mostly metagame, and he hasn't actually ACTED particularly scummy. A few people are pinging my scumdar a little, but nothing major. I've never been too good at picking out scum, though.

[Nikose Tyris]

Unvote: Solid Snake

Vote: Ravashak

A SUDDEN TWIST.

[Moogle0119]

Final Vote Count...

Solid Snake (3)
Ravashak
B_real_shadows
Mr. Bookworm

Ravashak (2)
Stress Ball
Nikose Tyris

I'm actually sick so I'm just going to make this quick. You guys end up lynching Solid Snake, Mark Raxton (Molten Man) despite him being in several of the Maximum Carnage issues (if you really want to get picky and say he's not, I have the whole series in comic format and trade paperback).

Night 3, 48 hours until the deadline or less if I get in all night roles.



Night had come, and Nikose was busy flying in between the streets searching for any further clues as to where Carnage's family could be. Morbius had snuck up behind him and stalked him for a few minutes before deciding he was no longer beneficial to have around. His death was sudden and quick as Morbius came down upon his prey and drained the blood from Nikose, Dr. Kevin Trench (Nightwatch).


Not content with just killing him, Morbius began to drain him completely of all blood within his body. He was so consumed by his hunger that he didn't even notice the silent floating figure behind him in tattered rags for clothing. The creature simply reached out and grabbed onto Morbius's face and held on as the vampire fought against the figure. Unfortunately Morbius was caught off guard and could not shake the grip, and thus the body of Masked Jedi, Michael Morbius (Morbius the Living Vampire - Vigilante) had decayed into a shallow husk of a corpse.


The next morning as Cephrir left the Ravencroft prison, everyone noticed the newest headline from the Daily Bugle's own Ben Urich wrote an interesting article on one of the newest creatures roaming the city as of late. The creature was apparently a grotesque and monstrous version of Spider-man with 6 arms. Apparently, Ravashak, The Doppelganger (3rd Mafiate) was spotted as being one of the few members left in Carnage's family.


Day 4. 7 to Lynch. No Deadline yet.

[Stress Ball]

Our course of action today is clear!

Vote: Ravashak

[Ravashak]

Our course of action today is clear!

Vote: RavashakEveryone takes a (counts remaining living players) d12, then rolls it to decide who to vote for? ;)

:sweatdrop

[Nikose Tyris]

Aw, we lost morbius. and here I was trying to lure a mafia hit on me for the night so that Urich stays safe. :( SS valiantly sac'd himself to it, too.

Vote: Ravashak.

Edit: Wow I don't know how I managed to pull that "He wasn't in the comics" thing solidly enough for you all, haha wow I want to buy you guys comic books.

[Stress Ball]

Uh, I'm confused. Are you still alive?

[Moogle0119]

No he is not.

[Captain Combustible]

Well given that it's been revealed that Ravashak is a mafiate.

Vote: Ravashak.

[Nikose Tyris]

oh. Fuck. I thought I was. Teach me to not read the whole nightpost and skim.

>>
<<

*leaves*

[Tendronai]

VOTE: RAVASHAK

[Doc ock rokc]

VOTE: RAVASHAK
The only coarse of action to clean up our fair town

[B_real_shadows]

VOTE: RORSARCH!

[Cephrir]

What kind of idiot vigs Nikose.

Vote: Ravashak

[Mr.Bookworm]

Vote: Ravashak

[Fungrus]

vote: ravashak

[The Wandering God]

Vote: Ravashak

The Wandering God

[Ravashak]

What kind of idiot vigs Nikose.

Vote: Ravashak

A dead one xP

[Moogle0119]

Final vote count...

Ravashak (8)
Stress Ball
Captain Combustible
Tendronai
Doc ock rokc
Cephrir
Mr. Bookworm
Fungrus
The Wandering God

Trusting in Ben Urich's latest article, the town united into a mob and set out to find Ravashak. Sure enough, they found Ravashak climbing down the side of a building into an alleyway. They rushed to greet the monster who growled and lunged at them with its many arms. Despite its superior strength and powers, it was outnumbered and soon the body of Ravashak, The Doppelganger (3rd Mafiate) was lying before them.

Night 4. 48 hours.

[Ravashak]

I'd like to be shocked I'm dead, but after the previous night report, it's really hard to even pretend xP

Go Family!

[Moogle0119]

Day 5. 7 to Lynch. No Deadline yet but if things quiet down again a deadline will be posted.

[B_real_shadows]

So nothing happened at night?

[Moogle0119]

What you see is what you got

[Fungrus]

Anyone fancy going through and looking who the known mafiates were chummy with?

[Cephrir]

Maybe.

[B_real_shadows]

No, because that won't help us at all cause two of the mafiates we killed were because of the night posts which meant that anyone they were chummy with also turned on them.

[Cephrir]

Yes, but we could look at things that happened before that.

[B_real_shadows]

Well, then, Why don't you do that? And then we'll pick someone to double check the facts and then after hearing both of your reviews I'll triple check em to make sure that there isn't any collaboration going on between you two (and you can do likewise between me and him and etc.) and this way we can have a three person tribunal review facts. So we don't have any of us pull another Nikose.

Sound like a plan? Cause I think it does. Now chop chop Cephrir. Failure to follow suite will result in your um...well, not death, but simply put, investigation.

EDIT: And it won't be an official investigation, but more of an indepth review of your behavior in this game.

[Moogle0119]

We have a lot of people still left alive and only a few people left talking, I am going to start booting inactives if the people who haven't talked today (Day 5) don't start talking and your spots will go to someone who will participate. Request in the sign-up thread if you want to fill in for someone (and you aren't still alive or I don't care if you even signed up the first time).

[Captain Combustible]

Vote: Mr.Bookworm

Here are Some of Mr.Bookworm's posts from yesterday:

Vote: Cephrir

Sure why not.
Nikose was right before, suggesting he has something, and if he's wrong, the Vig can off him tonight. Or we can lynch him tomorrow.

He joins Nikose's vote and then deflects responsibility for his vote away from himself

Uh, Solid Snake, I hate to break this to you, but Molten Man was on fire. On fire.

So, hypothetically, that wouldn't fit at all.

And like Nik said, MM wasn't in the Maxmum Carnage series.

Unvote: Cephrir

Vote: Solid Snake
Okay, I'll bite. I honestly didn't notice the entire thing with you being voteless, as I tend to skim a bit when updating on Mafia.

My only problem is that Molten Man wasn't even in Maximum Carnage. But I suppose Moogle could have just padded out the roster with other Spider-Man characters.

So, Unvote: Solid Snake.

And, er, what now?
Gah, dammit. Why do I keep flip-flopping?

Vote: Solid Snake.

Part of it might be that it's Bookworm, not Bookman.

Petty? Me? Never.

Mr. Bookworm joins the vote on Solid Snake, unvotes him, and finally puts his vote back on Solid Snake giving no reason for it.

I looked back and happened to notice that Mr. Bookworm put his vote on Solid Snake almost immediately after Stressball voted Ravashak, who was revealed to be mafia the next day. This makes me think that Mr. Bookworm unvoted to try to look pro-town and then re-voted SS when he saw Ravashak might be lynched instead.

edit: spelling

[The Wandering God]

Vote: Bookworm
Reason: Captain Combustible's post

The Wandering God

[B_real_shadows]

Hey look at that! Cephrir, CC did your work for you. I think you should thank him.

I still think you deserve a thorough investigating though.

[Moogle0119]

As the town talked amongst themselves, once again they were interrupted by the Ravencroft Task Force. The came in and took Stress Ball away for a 24 hour visit to Ravencroft. People jailed cannot act, post, or be targeted by lynches or any night roles nor use any night actions (if any) until the start of the next day. All votes that were on Stress Ball are now void.

Continue.

[Cephrir]

Sure, I wanted to lynch him a couple days ago.

Vote: Mr.Bookworm

[Doc ock rokc]

Man CC makes one hell of a arguement
Vote Mr.Bookworm

[B_real_shadows]

VOTE: CEPHRIR

For being Carrion and voting a non-mafiate.

[Mr.Bookworm]

Roleclaim time! I'm Dethlok. My one and only ability is being immune to Carrion's attacks.

To address some more specific points...

He joins Nikose's vote and then deflects responsibility for his vote away from himself

How does that work out? I believed Nikose to be right, and was just saying that on the off chance that Nikose was lying scum we could get rid of him later.

Mr. Bookworm joins the vote on Solid Snake, unvotes him, and finally puts his vote back on Solid Snake giving no reason for it.

I saw SS's argument, went "sure that makes sense", heard Nikose argue against him, and went "actually I think I'll go back to that". I know I was flip-flopping.

I looked back and happened to notice that Mr. Bookworm put his vote on Solid Snake almost immediately after Stressball voted Ravashak, who was revealed to be mafia the next day. This makes me think that Mr. Bookworm unvoted to try to look pro-town and then re-voted SS when he saw Ravashak might be lynched instead.

...Which is nothing but complete coincidence, especially given the wildly varied time zones involved in any Mafia game.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: CEPHRIR

For being Carrion and voting a non-mafiate.

Huh?

@Roleclaim: Given that Solid Snake was unnightkillable, I find it a bit difficult to believe another town-aligned role would be partially immune. Also, that seems like it would be a nice claim if one were Carrion.

Still planning to look back at dead mafiates' posts.

[B_real_shadows]

Meh, it was worth a shot to attempt to call you out on it Cephrir.

UNVOTE: CEPHRIR

P.S. It does make sense for Dethlok to be immune to Carrior, but that power is just rediculous, cause the mafiates don't attack individually. I'm just gonna go ahead and do an FOS on Bookie. Also, if your power works on Carrion, why wouldn't it work on Morpheus too cause he feeds on the living, but you're a machine. So you should be immune to him. I don't buy your claim.

FOS: BOOKWORM

Also at Cephrir: I wouldn't be too sure that there can only be one person who is immune to night attacks. Cause Spiderman. He has senses. Senses that can sense danger. I would think they would be precedent to keep him from getting hurt at night no?

[Cephrir]

True, but there are also like 17 million other abilities that Spiderman could have, and he probably doesn't have all of them.

Some mods do make you choose a mafiate to send to make the kill (I do, for one), so it's not that ridiculous. Not knowing much about the theme I assumed Carrion would be the SK just based on Booky's claim (hence I suspected him of actually being SK). Still, that ability is even more overly specific now.

Edit: When I have more time, maybe I'll look at Spiderman Mafia 1 and see whether I can find any evidence that Moogle typically makes the mafia choose which member makes the kill, or that he doesn't.
Edit2: Roy_D_Mylote targeted Barrel-Hating Sycophant for the Mafia kill
This is consistent throughout the game; Roy is always the one making the kill. He was the second mafiate, and the Don was lynched Day 1, so either the highest ranking member performs the kill, or that's just the phrasing Moogle uses to represent the Don-in-effect choosing the kill target. Since it's referred to as the "mafia kill" I tend to think it's the latter, which would make Booky's claim impossible. Even if it's the first one, Carrion has to be either the 4th or 5th mafiate so the chances of him making the kill ever are low.

So basically,
A) Moogle changed how this works
B) I'm misreading everything and Carrion isn't actually a mafiate
C) This role is ridiculously narrow and has so little chance of being relevant that there's no point in it being in the setup
or D) Booky is scum.