Mafia: Everybody dies (Not really though)

[Ugainius]

Okay lads I've given ye a few hours lets get this party started. (Name was scrapped after balancing, not enough players to truely get behind it)


1:Masked Jedi (dead)
2:Smarty McBarrelpants(dead)
3:RalionX(dead)
4:The Argent Lord
5:Cati Cephrir2(dead)
6:Stress Ball(dead)
7:Oron
8:Griever(dead)
9:Cephrir(dead)
10:B real shadows(dead)
11:FenrisWolf
12:Ravashak(dead)
13:Tendronai(dead)
14:The Wandering God
15:Rygar(dead)
16:The SSB Intern(dead)
17:Moogle0119(dead)
18:Zilla
19:Rokrin(dead)
20:Fungrus

1:Masked Jedi - Dim witted inspector
10:B real shadows - Editor
2:Smarty McBarrelpants - Citizen Lynch
9:Cephrir - Cultee
Rorkin, Serial Killers parthner is now dead
Tendronai, Serial Killer is dead

Have at it. Also PMs about your role will be totally accepted, I know I wasn't very clear on some of them.

EDIT- Now I have the time lets get down to some ground rules.

1)The Cult- Standard stuff here, but one special note to avoid confusion- When you are culted you lose any previous abilities (To prevent the cult from being horrificly overpowered this game) When the cult leader dies all cultees return to their previous role. Remember this, so to not reveal your role while talking out of game.

2) To the Cult leader- If you cult a member of the mafia, your role will be revealed to them. If you cult the Inquisitor, you die. I mention this in public to avoid sending out a lot of PMs which I don't have time at the moment to do.

3) Nights will be handled as normal albiet most likely shorter. I Will accept actions after night is over if you don't make it on time.

It is Day One Start lynching

[FenrisWolf]

Validated, is it day 1 or night 1?

[Ugainius]

Day 1

[Ravashak]

In good old day one random vote tradition
Vote: Cati

[Stress Ball]

Random Vote: The Wandering God

[Moogle0119]

13 is an unlucky number. Thus player #13 is probably bad.

Vote: Tendronai

[Cephrir]

Vote: Zilla

Because the chances I'll do it at any other time are comparatively low.

[RalionX]

Vote: Masked Jedi

He's the only one who had a space between his name and number in the sign up thread.

[The Wandering God]

What the hell is wrong with you people?

Seriously. Do you want to hand the mafia the game right now? Because that's what voting randomly will do.

I'm going to have to point aFinger of Suspicion on everyone that already voted.

The Wandering God

[Masked Jedi]

Vote: The Wandering God

Dude, it's day 1. It's what you do.

Edit: Bolding

[Zilla]

^ That and bandwagon.

Vote: The Wandering God

Random-voting is meant to generate content and speculate on later, and it helps establish connections for later.

I've also found that bandwagoning is a very useful source of information. Unfortunately, most people associate day 1 bandwagoning with obvious mafia tactics, thus town shies away from it. However, town-driven bandwagons can cause scum to panic, and they also provide good information once some of the members or the bandwagonee die.

[Oron]

Well, huh.

Vote:The Wandering God

[The Wandering God]

Great. Just great.

Thanks everyone. I obviously should have just kept my mouth shut.

Oh, and since we are random voting:

Vote: Stress Ball

Oh wait, that's not random.

The Wandering God

[Cephrir]

What the hell is wrong with you people?

Seriously. Do you want to hand the mafia the game right now? Because that's what voting randomly will do.

I'm going to have to point aFinger of Suspicion on everyone that already voted.

The Wandering God

You, sir, are missing the point.

[The Wandering God]

You, sir, are missing the point.
No, I seem to be getting the point right between my ribs.

The Wandering God

[Griever]

It's only day one and already the suspicions are cast. Yeah that sounds about right. For right now I'm going to random vote Rokrin. Mostly cause that's the number I picked randomly.

Vote:Rokrin

[Masked Jedi]

Unvote, Vote: Oron

Thrid vote makes a bandwagon, and bandwagons are scummy.

[Zilla]

Vote: Stress Ball

Oh wait, that's not random.

If it's not random, then why are you voting Stress Ball?

And did you miss my last post about bandwagons, MJ?

[The Wandering God]

If it's not random, then why are you voting Stress Ball?
Because he was the first person to vote for me.

I didn't want to be rash and just start casting votes left and right, but "when in Rome"...

The Wandering God

[Masked Jedi]

And did you miss my last post about bandwagons, MJ?

Nope. I just think you're wrong.

[Zilla]

So you're going to vote OMGUS?

Real classy.

MJ and Griever, why are you ignoring the TWG bandwagon?

[Oron]

Unvote, Vote: Oron

Thrid vote makes a bandwagon, and bandwagons are scummy.

Random Vote: The Wandering God

Vote: The Wandering God

Dude, it's day 1. It's what you do.

Edit: Bolding
^ That and bandwagon.

Vote: The Wandering God
Well, huh.

Vote:The Wandering God

Eh?

I thought the bandwagon was a good idea for Day One.

Huh, this reply probably came a bit late.

[The SSB Intern]

Vote: FenrisWolf

He's the only one who's made a post not regarding voting. Obviously scum.

[Cephrir]

Unvote, Vote: Oron

Thrid vote makes a bandwagon, and bandwagons are scummy.

Incidentally, in most sitations this is not true this early in the game, because most early wagons tend to dissolve. However, on this site, you're completely right, because Day 1 half-serious wagon targets tend to actually get lynched here.

Unvote, Vote: Oron

Despite the fact that this vote is mildly hypocritical.

[Zilla]

Needs more voting and posting.

Votecount would be nice too.

[Stress Ball]

Votecount:

Cati: (1)
Ravashak

The Wandering God: (3)
Stress Ball
Zilla
Oron

Tendronai: (1)
Moogle

FenrisWolf: (1)
The SSB Intern

Masked Jedi: (1)
RalionX

Stress Ball: (1)
The Wandering God

Rokrin: (1)
Griever

Oron: (2)
Masked Jedi
Cephrir


I'm not liking The Wandering God's responses so far, so my vote stays with him.

Also, MJ, Oron wasn't the third vote on The Wandering God.

[The Wandering God]

I'm not liking The Wandering God's responses so far, so my vote stays with him.
Will you please explain exactly why you don't like them?

The Wandering God

[Rokrin]

Vote: Oron

I just feel like he's the reason we can't have nice things.

[Oron]

I'll take that as a compliment.

Also, I jumped on the bandwagon against The Wandering God because it's Day One, throwing votes around randomly doesn't do too much, and a bit of voting pressure is one way to squeeze some action/information out of people.

Besides, given what Cephrir says, I don't think TWG really needed to worry overmuch, but his responses speak otherwise.

[Stress Ball]

Will you please explain exactly why you don't like them?

Your posts as a whole seem unnecessarily aggressive. Random voting during the beginning of Day 1 is standard procedure, so the mass FoS came off as a weak attempt to cast suspicion upon members of the town. In addition, your reasoning behind this was flawed, as the random votes are spread out among too many people to form a majority for a lynch.

My vote against you wasn't meant with malice, FYI. You just happened to have the number random.org gave me.

[Zilla]

Vote: Oron

I just feel like he's the reason we can't have nice things.

Are you serious on this, or are you just trying to save a scumbuddy by tying votes? It's a little strange to vote Oron to tie with the leading candidate on a random vote.

So, a better question: Why are you voting Oron instead of TWG?

[B_real_shadows]

I think TWG is playing like he always does...so he should live. For now. Let his first game back be one to be remembered,

ORON however, he's l33tishly scummy. For reasons posted by zilla.

VOTE: ORON

[Stress Ball]

ORON however, he's l33tishly scummy. For reasons posted by zilla.

What arguments has Zilla made against Oron?

[The Wandering God]

Your posts as a whole seem unnecessarily aggressive. Random voting during the beginning of Day 1 is standard procedure, so the mass FoS came off as a weak attempt to cast suspicion upon members of the town. In addition, your reasoning behind this was flawed, as the random votes are spread out among too many people to form a majority for a lynch.

My vote against you wasn't meant with malice, FYI. You just happened to have the number random.org gave me.
I didn't mean for my posts to come off as aggressive. I was mostly just trying to get people to react. And whereas everyone else was doing that by voting, I was trying to get a dialogue going. It's just my natural charm got the dialogue turning into votes against me just because I questioned a tradition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw).

I'm sorry I wasn't aware of 'standard procedure' and wanted to do things my way. I didn't mean to upset people with my ignorance.

I wasn't trying to cast suspicion, merely say that I am suspicious of people who blindly follow tradition.

And while I don't agree with voting randomly, apparently that isn't as scummy an action as I thought it to be. So,
Unvote: Stress Ball.

Also, I love how Masked Jedi voted for me immediately after someone voted for him, thus pushing me to two. And pushing Zilla to bandwagon me.

Oh, and btw, Zilla, what did I ever do to you?

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

What arguments has Zilla made against Oron?

Agreed.

And while I don't agree with voting randomly, apparently that isn't as scummy an action as I thought it to be. So,
Unvote: Stress Ball.

This makes no sense. You were voting Stress Ball for random voting??? You claimed it was an OMGUS earlier, and failed to do anything to prove that he was scummy and warranted a vote. Now that the OMGUS has failed, you're backing off...

Firstly, your initial vote on StressBall was hardly warranted, but now your backing off of him seems just as arbitrary, and doubly suspicious.

Coupling this with BReal's strange post in which he has pushed Oron ahead of you and tried to base it on an argument I didn't make, I think I've found scum.

Oh, and btw, Zilla, what did I ever do to you?

As if you should only vote people who affect you personally? Town would never get anywhere like this.

[RalionX]

Hm... I don't find either TWG or Oron particularly suspicious. I'm going to go with someone who hasn't posted yet, probably trying to use this situation to fly under the radar.

Unvote: Masked Jedi

Vote: Cati

[Cephrir]

I think TWG's posts just show inexperience tbh. Whoever posted above me: I doubt it's deliberate, it rarely is.

[Stress Ball]

I think TWG's posts just show inexperience tbh. Whoever posted above me: I doubt it's deliberate, it rarely is.

Yeah, his last post gave me the impression that it wasn't deliberate. I'm going to unvote him for now, and vote Masked Jedi in his place, as he has started both of the bandwagons that the town has seen so far.

Unvote: The Wandering God
Vote: Masked Jedi

[B_real_shadows]

Would you beleive I didn't read Zilla's post? And then comprehend it?

UNVOTE: ORON
VOTE: ROKRIN

[The Wandering God]

This makes no sense. You were voting Stress Ball for random voting??? You claimed it was an OMGUS earlier, and failed to do anything to prove that he was scummy and warranted a vote. Now that the OMGUS has failed, you're backing off...
?OMGUS? *Looks it up* First of all, don't put words in my mouth. I said I was suspicious of others for doing something I didn't comprehend. Second, I voted for Stress Ball because he randomly voted for me. And that somehow makes me MORE scummy? I am not allowed to defend myself?

Firstly, your initial vote on StressBall was hardly warranted, but now your backing off of him seems just as arbitrary, and doubly suspicious.
So, it's okay to random vote, but not okay to vote for someone who votes for me? That everyone else is allowed to make arbitrary actions (which they admit in the post are arbitrary) and no one bats an eye? I'm sorry, but I am afraid I don't quite grasp what I did that was necessarily different except, ya know, try to explain myself.

Coupling this with BReal's strange post in which he has pushed Oron ahead of you and tried to base it on an argument I didn't make, I think I've found scum.
Do you mean B_Real, me, or both of us?
As if you should only vote people who affect you personally? Town would never get anywhere like this.
No, I was just trying to get you to state your argument with me so I could respond.

Also, a list of those who haven't posted yet.
Smarty McBarrelpants, The Argent Lord, Cati, Tendronai, Rygar, Moogle0119, and Fungrus. That's a third of us. I'd say the chances of one (or more) of them being scum is pretty high. It's been Day 1 for 48 hours now, so they should have posted by now.

The Wandering God

[Ravashak]

Countervoting someone who voted for you on day one isn't bad by itself, it's just that you got off to a bad start, which makes people question actions you make.

[Masked Jedi]

Also, I love how Masked Jedi voted for me immediately after someone voted for him, thus pushing me to two. And pushing Zilla to bandwagon me.

Sorry about that. I didn't realize that Stressball had voted you, so I shall Unvote.

Also, FOS: Zilla. She's been playing really aggressively and it's setting off my scumdar. Too aggressively for Day 1, I think.

[Ravashak]

Updated vote-count

Cati:
Ravashak
RalionX

The Wandering God:
Zilla
Oron

Tendronai:
MOogle0119

Rokrin:
Griever
B_real_shadows

Oron:
Cephrir
Rokrin

FenrisWolf:
The SSB Intern

Masked Jedi:
Stress Ball

[Moogle0119]

Also, a list of those who haven't posted yet.
Smarty McBarrelpants, The Argent Lord, Cati, Tendronai, Rygar, Moogle0119, and Fungrus. That's a third of us. I'd say the chances of one (or more) of them being scum is pretty high. It's been Day 1 for 48 hours now, so they should have posted by now.
Votecount:

Cati: (1)
Ravashak

The Wandering God: (3)
Stress Ball
Zilla
Oron

Tendronai: (1)
Moogle

FenrisWolf: (1)
The SSB Intern

Masked Jedi: (1)
RalionX

Stress Ball: (1)
The Wandering God

Rokrin: (1)
Griever

Oron: (2)
Masked Jedi
Cephrir
13 is an unlucky number. Thus player #13 is probably bad.

Vote: Tendronai
You may have overlooked this, but still that's putting out false information.
Unvote: Tendronai
Vote: The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Eh, I don't normally have much to say day 1.
Right now Zilla or Wandering God seem to be our best bet. Zilla is quite aggressive but Wandering God has gone super defensive super fast so
Vote: Wandering God

[Zilla]

Great. Just great.

Thanks everyone. I obviously should have just kept my mouth shut.

Oh, and since we are random voting:

Vote: Stress Ball

Oh wait, that's not random.

The Wandering God

And now you're claiming it IS random? No, it's OMGUS (Oh My God U Suck). You have no other reason to vote for him than that he voted for you. It's trying to catch suspicion on your voters when they have done nothing scummy to begin with. You've even said you have nothing against his case. It's the classic textbook OMGUS.

To people saying I'm playing aggressively, has it been that long since I've been alive in a mafia game?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

I called you out for it and I'm normally aggressive as all blazes. This is bizarro mafia!

[Tendronai]

I am posting. I have nothing to say because I missed the fun part of the game due to being at work more or less continually for the last three days and I don't feel like being particularily serious yet. This is a post verifying that I am, in fact, not dead.

This is also not a challenge to any potential killing roles out there to rectify that last statement. Or, for that matter, egregious votes who feel like going berserk over percieved slights.

I think that got it all out of my system.

[B_real_shadows]

Its okay Tendy, atleast you're not on the chopping block because you have issues reading and comprehending shit. Whilst sober....So yes, I will admit, negligence on my part.

[Ugainius]

Also thanks to Ravask for the vote counts. And anyone else who does them as well.

Cos hell if its going to be me...

[Fungrus]

Vote: Oron

I just feel like he's the reason we can't have nice things.

I just feel that sentence is being overused, therefore I Vote: Rokrin

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

I don't understand how the Rokrin wagon is any different than the TWG wagon because Rokrin's guilt depends on TWG.

[Stress Ball]

I'm not seeing the use of the Rokrin wagon either. It seemed to me like he just entered the thread to make a jokevote and didn't bother to read the rest of it.

[The Wandering God]

Countervoting someone who voted for you on day one isn't bad by itself, it's just that you got off to a bad start, which makes people question actions you make.
And when people start questioning me, I get "offensive" and "defensive". I get the whole feeling this thing snowballed out of control because of my big mouth. It certainly wouldn't be the first time it's gotten me in trouble.
You may have overlooked this, but still that's putting out false information.
Unvote: Tendronai
Vote: The Wandering God
I'm sorry, I was just waking up when I wrote that. Still, at least your vote is entirely justified and understandable.
Eh, I don't normally have much to say day 1.
Right now Zilla or Wandering God seem to be our best bet. Zilla is quite aggressive but Wandering God has gone super defensive super fast so
Vote: Wandering God
I only got super defensive because I know how this game can go. And I didn't want my first game in a while to end on the first day. Especially because I was making an ass of myself.
And now you're claiming it IS random? No, it's OMGUS (Oh My God U Suck). You have no other reason to vote for him than that he voted for you. It's trying to catch suspicion on your voters when they have done nothing scummy to begin with. You've even said you have nothing against his case. It's the classic textbook OMGUS.
I do have another reason to vote for him, and that was because it was random. Remember that first post of mine that started all this? Where I FoS'd everyone for voting randomly. (Before I realized that it was what everyone always did.) To quote this website (http://www.dslreports.com/faq/15581)"Town players may use it in frustration". Which I was, because I got myself into this mess, and I've been digging my own grave trying to get out.

And since my own words seem to be about as interpretive as impressionistic art, I'm going to use someone else's reasoning to explain my next vote.
I'm not seeing the use of the Rokrin wagon either. It seemed to me like he just entered the thread to make a jokevote and didn't bother to read the rest of it.
I see a definite use.

I don't like lurkers or people who aren't going to give the game the time and discussion it deserves.

Vote: Rokrin

The Wandering God

[Cephrir]

Eh, I don't normally have much to say day 1.
Right now Zilla or Wandering God seem to be our best bet. Zilla is quite aggressive but Wandering God has gone super defensive super fast so
Vote: Wandering God

Being aggressive is meaningless, just an indication that Zilla is actually trying. Superdefensive is reasonable on day 1 here, you should know that, because the first suspect usually gets lynched. I think lynching TWG is a bad idea because he is posting a lot and putting in effort. The Rokrinlurker wagon is better, as is Oron because it actually has a factual basis. Doesnt seem like Oron is going anywhere, so.

Unvote, Vote Rokrin

[Zilla]

I do have another reason to vote for him, and that was because it was random. Remember that first post of mine that started all this? Where I FoS'd everyone for voting randomly. (Before I realized that it was what everyone always did.) To quote this website"Town players may use it in frustration". Which I was, because I got myself into this mess, and I've been digging my own grave trying to get out.


What about this?

Mafia members may use OMGUS votes to throw a random vote out without raising suspicion.

I don't know how to interpret TWG voting Rokrin. It looks flimsy enough of a vote, but he doesn't strike me as a bandwagon follower who would vote a scumbuddy to increase his own reputation. At the moment, I'm more suspicious of TWG than Rokrin.

Also, this part makes no sense.

I do have another reason to vote for him, and that was because it was random.

In the VERY SAME post where you voted him, you said it was not random.

Also, this:

Remember that first post of mine that started all this? Where I FoS'd everyone for voting randomly. (Before I realized that it was what everyone always did.)

Yes, I remember that was what got us on you in the first place, what about it? The rest of hte post has nothing to do with this. Why did you bring it up?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Being aggressive is meaningless, just an indication that Zilla is actually trying. Superdefensive is reasonable on day 1 here, you should know that, because the first suspect usually gets lynched. I think lynching TWG is a bad idea because he is posting a lot and putting in effort. The Rokrinlurker wagon is better, as is Oron because it actually has a factual basis. Doesnt seem like Oron is going anywhere, so.

Unvote, Vote Rokrin

I don't think I've ever seen the first name thrown out lynched except when they have hugely overreacted.
That is pretty much the point of random first day accusation to see what kind of reaction you can nab.
The extreme overreaction, particularly in new players, is a classic sign of Mafia in early days.
Also being aggressive is hardly meaningless. It is a tactic by which you can often pick up non-attentive lurkers to vote alongside you as well as distract attention from other targets and pretty much shape the discussion to whatever you feel like discussing.
Rokrin is hardly a lurker wagon. There are people who haven't even posted yet. If you wanted to lynch lurkers you would lyncht hem.

[The Wandering God]

When I said "that was because it was random", I was referring to Stress Ball. Not myself.

Let me break it down:

My vote for Stress Ball: I was feeling scared and frustrated, so I voted for him. His vote was both random and for me. (Both things I wasn't happy with.) My vote was not random. I don't think I can explain it any more clearly than that. I then unvoted him after I read his explanation and got the impression that he was trying to be honest.
At the moment, I'm more suspicious of TWG
That is such an obvious statement, that someone will have to invent a new word to describe it.

And I brought up my previous post because you seem to be bent on misconstruing everything I say. And since I've said so much, it's getting to be a headache explaining my every nuance.

The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

The vote for stressball is not why I'm voting for you.
I'm voting for you for the overtop defensiveness that came down as soon as a couple of votes were laid upon you.
It was nowhere near a lynch and not even really a bandwagon. Those kind of things form and fall apart on day 1 all the time, just looking to see what reactions we get.

[The Wandering God]

The vote for stressball is not why I'm voting for you.
I'm voting for you for the overtop defensiveness that came down as soon as a couple of votes were laid upon you.
It was nowhere near a lynch and not even really a bandwagon. Those kind of things form and fall apart on day 1 all the time, just looking to see what reactions we get.
I was actually responding to Zilla in that post.

But I don't think you are being fair when you say me defending myself was 'overtop defensiveness'. I had 4 votes (Stress Ball, Masked Jedi, Zilla, then Oron). No one else was even close. (How many to lynch anyway? Ugainius never said.) So yeah, I got defensive... because I was under attack. For being aggressive. I'm sorry if I put in too much effort, but that's how I do things.

And I'm certainly not familiar with all of the traditions that everyone else is taking for granted. I played a few games a couple of years ago and that was it.

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

Thank you, TWG, for proving my point. That your vote on StressBall was not random. That it was a careless OMGUS, in the most classic definition. In fact, taking everything from your last post, you've essentially admitted to being scum.

Your two listed reasons for voting StressBall were that he had a random vote, and that he was voting for you. How are EITHER of those things to be considered scummy? You lay out absolutely no reason to suspect him being scum. You just laid out reasons you wanted to divert attention to him.

I didn't mean for my posts to come off as aggressive. I was mostly just trying to get people to react. And whereas everyone else was doing that by voting, I was trying to get a dialogue going. It's just my natural charm got the dialogue turning into votes against me just because I questioned a tradition (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw).

I'm sorry I wasn't aware of 'standard procedure' and wanted to do things my way. I didn't mean to upset people with my ignorance.

I wasn't trying to cast suspicion, merely say that I am suspicious of people who blindly follow tradition.

And while I don't agree with voting randomly, apparently that isn't as scummy an action as I thought it to be. So,
Unvote: Stress Ball.

Also, I love how Masked Jedi voted for me immediately after someone voted for him, thus pushing me to two. And pushing Zilla to bandwagon me.

Oh, and btw, Zilla, what did I ever do to you?

The Wandering God

Here's your vote-retraction post, where apparently, because "random voting isn't a crime," you retract your vote on StressBall.

What is the meaning of the bolded part? You weren't trying to make other people suspicious, but you were suspicious yourself? Why wouldn't you want others to be suspicious of the same person?

What happened to the underlined part? I really don't think you were sincere about any of that, just looking for anywhere to scapegoat.

[The SSB Intern]

Welp, guess I've seen enough.

Unvote: Fenris
Vote: TWG

This day has gone on too long anyway.

[Cephrir]

I'll agree that Rokrin is not the best vote but I'm just seeking the most plausible alternative. Maybe I'd be better off voting for suspicious people.
Unvote
Vote: Ths SSB Intern

I really shouldn't have to explain this one, but that was a classic lazy player post. The wagon hop with generic reasons is stupid and I can see that even if town you're going to be worthless.

TWG, you damn well better be town. Also, you should claim. More often than not people discount them here but especially since you're new I'll be basing a lot on it.
FoS Moogle, your reason for voting sucks (incorrect VC) and until recently I thought you were better than that. Looks like An attempt to sneak on the wagon without having to take flak later if it's wrong, because it's basingcally a random vote too late to be randomly voting, and plus you sounded serious. And there's also the part where it happens to be on the biggest wagon.

Actually

Unvote Vote Moogle.
I would fix my post but I don't think I can on this stupid thing.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

The only thing that is making me reluctant about TWG is that he is a new player and I can see some explanation for his behaviour in that.
But its not enough to convince me otherwise without any real suspects.

[Ugainius]

As some of you have been kind enough to mention deadline. It'll proably be tomorrow some time followed by a much more pronounced deadlines for other days. I just want to make sure everyone had a chance to think over their role.

[Moogle0119]

TWG, you damn well better be town. Also, you should claim. More often than not people discount them here but especially since you're new I'll be basing a lot on it.
FoS Moogle, your reason for voting sucks (incorrect VC) and until recently I thought you were better than that. Looks like An attempt to sneak on the wagon without having to take flak later if it's wrong, because it's basingcally a random vote too late to be randomly voting, and plus you sounded serious. And there's also the part where it happens to be on the biggest wagon.

Actually

Unvote Vote Moogle.
I would fix my post but I don't think I can on this stupid thing.
At the time it was the only information that I could see as being false with 100% accuracy. Otherwise I wouldn't have cared and it was a hell of a lot better reason to vote for TWG than my vote was for Tendronai. Oh and Cephrir I do remember the last time you used the phrase "I thought you were better than that..." and you ended up being scum trying to convince others you were being sincere. Try not to give your tell away so early in the game, ok?

[Zilla]

Post count report!


1:Masked Jedi (4)
2:Smarty McBarrelpants (6)
3:RalionX (2)
4:The Argent Lord (0)
5:Cati (0)
6:Stress Ball (6)
7:Oron (4)
8:Griever (1)
9:Cephrir (6)
10:B real shadows (3)
11:FenrisWolf (1)
12:Ravashak (3)
13:Tendronai (1)
14:The Wandering God (10)
15:Rygar (0)
16:The SSB Intern (2)
17:Moogle0119 (3)
18:Zilla (9)
19:Rokrin (1)
20:Fungrus (1)

Rygar, Cati, and The Argent Lord have NO posts. Fenris' only post is validation and asking if it starts in day or night, so he really has no game-posts.

Rokrin has a barely excusable post.

Fungrus' one post votes Rokrin for using the phrase "We can't have nice things." On page 6.

Griever's only post is random-voting Rokrin in Random Voting Stage.

Tendy's only post announces why he hasn't been posting, but preempts any attacks on it, a little suspicious.

More posts are needed before day ends.

Request: Deadline extention just by a day or so, I think we should at least hear from all players before going to night.

[Ugainius]

Agreed with Zilla. Deadline moved to friday with possible extention to saturday, depending on posts. Come on people get your opinions out there!

[Zilla]

I'll agree that Rokrin is not the best vote but I'm just seeking the most plausible alternative. Maybe I'd be better off voting for suspicious people.
Unvote
Vote: Ths SSB Intern

I really shouldn't have to explain this one, but that was a classic lazy player post. The wagon hop with generic reasons is stupid and I can see that even if town you're going to be worthless.

TWG, you damn well better be town. Also, you should claim. More often than not people discount them here but especially since you're new I'll be basing a lot on it.
FoS Moogle, your reason for voting sucks (incorrect VC) and until recently I thought you were better than that. Looks like An attempt to sneak on the wagon without having to take flak later if it's wrong, because it's basingcally a random vote too late to be randomly voting, and plus you sounded serious. And there's also the part where it happens to be on the biggest wagon.

Actually

Unvote Vote Moogle.
I would fix my post but I don't think I can on this stupid thing.

I think you may have given up on SSB a little too easily here. It wasn't so much lazy as it was he was trying to pin his decision on me, so if he's wrong, he can just go "Well, I was just following Zilla, so it's her fault."

I'd like to do a comparison of TWG and Rokrin's wagons. Give me a sec.

Updated vote-count

Cati: (2)
Ravashak
RalionX

The Wandering God: (5)
Zilla
Oron
Moogle
SMB
SSB Intern

Tendronai: (0)
Moogle

Rokrin: (4)
Griever
B_real_shadows
Fungrus
TWG
Cephrir

Oron: (1)
Cephrir
Rokrin

FenrisWolf: (0)
The SSB Intern

Masked Jedi: (1)
Stress Ball

SSB Intern: (0)
Cephrir

Moogle: (1)
Cephrir



So, on TWG, we have.

Zilla - I've held my position here, I think he's newbie scum dropping classic newbie scum tells.
Oron - Wanted to bandwagon for pressure, which is neutral if he's town, pro-town if he's scum.
Moogle - Votes TWG for incorrect vote-count.
SMB - Wrestles with voting me for being aggressive or voting TWG for being defensive, settles on TWG.
SSB - No stated reason but "I've seen enough."


On Rokrin:
Griever - Random vote due to random number generator
B_Real - Voted based on my logic that he was defending TWG, and originally voted Oron for it instead.
Fungrus - His only post, voting because Rokrin said "We can't have nice things."
TWG - Votes Rokrin for not contributing to the game, a null-tell.
Cephrir - Voted because TWG was posting a lot and Rokrin wasn't posting as much, another null-tell.


I think, of the scum wagons, Rokrin looks more likely. TWG and Cephrir's votes are easy to make look town, but those votes aren't usually against actual scum. B_Real's weird "I'm going to vote for whoever Zilla's attacking" strikes me as a botched buddy-attempt as well, which makes that a little suspect.

I'm not saying there's no reason to vote Rokrin, because I find him voting for Oron at a time when the wagons were either Oron or TWG a little fishy, but that reason isn't why he's been voted. He was voted for not contributing. That's not a scum-tell.

Now, to examine the possibility of a scum-wagon on TWG. There's my convictions that his play has shown newbie scum rather than newbie town, Oron who agreed with making a bandwagon (null-tell for Oron, in my opinion, but a pro-town move), Moogle's vote based on a bad vote count (admittedly better than both his Tendronai vote and most of the voters on Rokrin's case), SMB's wishy-washiness in which he leans towards TWG, and SSB's rather careless mount on TWG.

If I could be convinced that TWG was town, I think there are valid cases that scum has jumped on his wagon. However, at the moment I'm pretty convinced he's scum. Rokrin's voters have some pretty shaky reasons for voting him, and most of them are quite scummy with a thin pro-town veneer.

[Fungrus]

Well I can agree with you that TWG could be scum because usually with WIFOM situations I go with the guide that the simplest solution is right. The simplest solution here being newbie scum. But I thought I saw people mentioning that TWG had played before and this was a come back game, which would make him non newbie. But you're right in that lurkers are better than Rokrin right now,
unvote: Rokrin
Vote: Cati

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

While I was initally wishy-washy I think my later posts have shown that I've become more and more convinced of TWG scumness.
It is possible that he is a crazy newbie town but his behaviour is more classically newbie scum.

[FenrisWolf]

I've been busy getting the RP off the ground and wrapping up jazz band season and working.

I honestly have no clue what the hell is going on so I'm waiting until day 2 before I do anything.

[B_real_shadows]

You guys have thrown out there the TWG is new to this game. That would be folly to think so, cause he's played Mafia on these boards WAY WAY WAY WAY back in the day. He knows what he's doing...most of the time.

[The Argent Lord]

Hm. All right, I've been swamped with school-related stuff and didn't want to pop in on NPF because I didn't have time to check it thoroughly. Just read over the thread, and I'm not really sure whether TWG looks scummy to me or not. Some of the arguments are fairly convincing, but I simply don't see what a scum player would be trying to accomplish by drcrying random voting.

[Stress Ball]

Ok. I've been thinking about it for a while, and have determined that The Wandering God's actions aren't indicative of being scum.

Looking through the archives, I have found these games that TWG has played in: 8-Bit Mafia, Soldiers of Light: Mafia, and Mafia: Basic. Compared to what Mafia here currently is, these games were very different. The greatest noticeable difference (besides the presence of Night 0) is the general lack of votes during the first bit of Day 1. Now, put yourself in TWG's shoes. Entering this thread and seeing all of the random votes would be jarring and suspicious, considering his past experiences. From what he knew, putting a FOS on all of the early voters was a perfectly reasonable action to take. He was voted for because of this action, and things just escalated from bad to worse.

Now, I can't say for certain that he's not scum. However, given from what we know about his past mafia experiences, I don't think it's fair to vote for him based off of his actions at the beginning of the day.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Our entire voting assumption is based upon his inexperience with the game as it is at the moment.

[Zilla]

i'm voting for him based on his reaction to the votes on him. The initial bandwagon was on a slightly-not-serious issue, and I was just voting him to see what would happen. I felt that his reaction was scummy, especially given his OMGUS reaction on StressBall and then his subsequent vote on Rokrin.

[Ravashak]

Just a small note, I would vote for anyone at this point if it resulted in a lynch, since it should create conversation on the next day. For now, though, with 5 votes for TWG, 4 for Rokrin and 3 for Cati (one of which is mine) as well as several with 1, and little signs of any bandwagon succeeding with reaching the usual 50% limit, I will keep my vote as it stands for now. I do want to have at least one person to have a minimum of 25% of the votes at the deadline if at all possible, though.

[The Wandering God]

I was trying to avoid having to say this so soon, but... I'm the PO.

Not that I actually expect you to believe me. All I'm asking for is a chance to get in an investigation or two so I can try to find a town threat to vindicate myself.

So, can I please have a reprieve?

The Wandering God

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Unvote: The Wandering God

Ok, you'll probably die during the night and if you don't we can test your results.
You possibly have a time depedent role but most people would have played the card earlier in the wagon if they were trying to live just a night.

How many votes do we need to ensure a lynch? I'm not convinced of the rork wagon but we can't afford to have failed lynchs.

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: The Wandering God
More than likely you'll end up dying tonight via Mafia, but if for some reason you don't we will be asking for results. Lest you be Mafia yourself and the "real" PO steps forward to call your bluff but until that happens I'm not taking any chances.

I'll throw my vote onto Cephrir for his rather odd way of trying to point the finger at me from earlier.

Vote: Cephrir

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Are you trying to kill any real POs wandering around Moogle? Seriously?

[Ugainius]

Okay I wasn't going to do this but I'm ending the day without a lynch. THere's just not enough support going on anyone person to justify one.

Deadline: Sunday 11:00PM GMT

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Wait, so we are in night now?

[Zilla]

^ echoed.

If not, I agree that we need A lynch, not no-lynch.

unvote: TWG
Vote: Rokrin

Rokrin has 4 votes, Cati has 3, and TWG has 2. With 20 players, 5 is 25%, 11 for majority.

[Ravashak]

Same as Zilla, if it's still day and the night starts sunday 11 PM GMT, then

Unvote: Cati
Vote: Rokrin

If it's already night, ignore this post

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

If it is still day,
Vote: Rokrin
In the interests of securing a lynch even though I'm not entirely convinced. But lynchs are essential.

[Cephrir]

Unvote
Vote Rokrin

Obvious reasons.

[FenrisWolf]

why is it still day one

[Zilla]

We're at 7 votes for Rokrin, so if day deadline is Sunday, we'd need 11 votes to preempt deadline.

[Oron]

Now that I've had time to read through the last page or so...

Unvote: TWG
Vote: Rokrin

Need that lynch.

[Stress Ball]

Eh. Not sure if he's scum or not, but getting a lynch is better than getting none.

Unvote: Masked Jedi
Vote: Rokrin

[B_real_shadows]

I think what Fenris is getting at, is that he's pretty sure its night, and so am I.

[Zilla]

Agreed with Zilla. Deadline moved to friday with possible extention to saturday, depending on posts. Come on people get your opinions out there!

He posted his post before the end of Friday, and it's pretty obvious that if he had actually set a solid deadline for Friday, we would have voted Rokrin. It's kinda weird to pull a sudden unspecified deadline... I dunno, but it seemed sudden to just throw it into night when we were settling on a lynch candidate, and especially since deadline wasn't specified to begin with.

That and his post is quite ambiguous.

[FenrisWolf]

Day one has lasted for 10 days.

[Zilla]

Is that a big whup?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Day one has lasted for 10 days.

It wasn't the timeframe that confused us it was the lack of any clarity about when the day ends.
I think it was pretty obvious that if we knew a deadline was about to hit we would have hit Rork.

[Ugainius]

Yes it is night.

I thought the whole ending the day without a lynch gave it away.

[Rokrin]

Wait wait I forget to read the thread for three days, come back and I'm being lynched?

That sucks.

e: I can't tell if it's too late for this or not but it's worth pointing out that I was lurking because my marching band is getting ready for a performance next sunday which means it's hell week until we do our away drill camp next friday/saturday. Also chock it up to the fact that for some reason when I check on my iPod it never shows the game section with new posts. :/

If I'm being lynched I'm being lynched I guess though, and even if I know it's a mistake, there's nothing I can really do about it this early in the game. There's not really any way for me to prove I'm a townie and it looks like the only reason I'm getting hit is because there's a need for a lynch and I only made one post.

[B_real_shadows]

No you're not Rokrin, Its currently night. So you've been spared for the day.

[Ugainius]

A wandering god-like man was walking past the local library when he decided to go in and look into the local history of some of the residents, especially one resident in particular.

Shortly thereafter, Fenris Wolf was pointing a gun at a woman saying, rather angrily "Where's the crystal ball?". The woman then spat in his face and said "The likes of you and your friends will NEVER get your grubby hands on it" Fenris, angered by this, pointed the gun at the woman's right pinky and pulled the trigger jeering "We'll be back for the other fingers later. Hopefully, by then, you'll realize how hopeless it is to try and hide it from us." And he turned to rejoin his group and left the woman in tears for the night.

Masked Jedi had been lifting through some papers when it happened. A trained professional whould have not died in the same situation some expert had said, Jedi had the gun and was up against one crazy guy with nothing but a butcher knife. But he was no professional, barely able to tell his left foot from his right hand. The killer had landed a blow right on the neck while Jedi had been fumbling with his gun.

Masked Jedi: Dim witted Inspector is now dead

Meanwhile: Someone was walking down the street. B real fresh from the printing office. He'd got himself the greatest scoop in history and after tomorrow the awards would be rolling in (Along with some other little "gifts" from god knows where.) He did posthumously. A man screaming "Die Scum Die!" had stabbed him forty five times in the chest.

B real shadows: Editor is now dead

Meanwhile: BHS lay in a pool of his own blood, his last moments upon him. "Heh, too bad said his attacker, but come on subverting the democratic purpose like that." He smirked I mean thats just low."

Smarty McBarrelpants:Citizen Lynch is now dead.

Meanwhile: A man stared down at the scene and watched as anther passed by. "Not him," he muttered before disappearing into the night.

It is now Day 2 If your late send me a PM and I'll consider it.

[Moogle0119]

Well, I'm not sure why Fenris was mentioned in the night post as someone out to try and steal a crystal ball from a lady and bring it back to his friends. It definitely sounds like Mafia so a big FOS: Fenris at least until I hear what he has to say.

Not sure what else to make out of all the other deaths atm though.

[Ravashak]

B real died, i'm shocked.

So, Masked Jedi investigated scum and died because of that?
B Real died by a vig's hand, I think (mafia wouldn't go around shouting scum)
Not quite sure what to think about Smarty's death.

Personally, I think Fenris being mentioned so prominently in the post is a bit too obvious for him to actually be scum, so for now, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, like Moogle I would like an explanation, though.

Then, loose from the post, there's The Wandering God's case. If we're willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, he should post his findings, we can act on that.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

{deathpost} Poop. Night 1 killer is a meanie! {/Deathpost}

[FenrisWolf]

I'm hunting the cult.

[Zilla]

^ You're hunting them rather ruthlessly, don't you think? Especially the woman saying "Your friends" and all. It still looks really fishy.

It also appears there is a watcher role.

It also appears TWG's claim checks out, though it's REALLY unprecedented for it to be cleared by night-flavor like that.

[B_real_shadows]

Oh thank god I died. I got 4 exams to deal with in the next week. All of which need to come out to High B's or Low A's If I'm to keep my scholarship.

Its been a hoot guys!

[FenrisWolf]

Oddly enough, I actually forgot I had a night role and forgot to send it in, so I don't know why Uganius said I targetted somebody.

[The Wandering God]

Well, from the descriptions it sounds like
Masked Jedi was killed by the Serial Killer ("one crazy guy with nothing but a butcher knife")
B_Real by the Vig
and Smarty by the Mafia.

My investigations didn't turn up a town threat sadly enough, and I don't want to reveal the role of the townie I investigated. Sorry I don't have more info.

I have my suspicions about why they died, but I'm going to hold off on voting for now and see how things develop.

The Wandering God

[RalionX]

Oddly enough, I actually forgot I had a night role and forgot to send it in, so I don't know why Uganius said I targetted somebody.

That is really weird. I thought of two possibilities, assuming he's telling the truth:
1) That someone was pretending to be him, or
2) he was controlled by someone, but didn't know.

But, it's not like these possibilities are based on anything. Also, the latter doesn't seem very likely, since he rejoined a group of some kind.

[FenrisWolf]

dude Uganius if I have a group tell me man I could use some masons

[Zilla]

Meh, there's not a whole lot to go on at the moment, and I'm undecided on whether or not it's worth risking a potential anti-cultist due to fishy night flavor. At this point, since Uganius decided to take away our toys yesterday because we didn't use them, might as well get some information.

Vote: Rokrin

Edit: Actually, Fenris you may as well explain yourself in detail since you're already a target for cult if they snag anyone who can do anything about you.

[Ravashak]

1)The Cult- Standard stuff here, but one special note to avoid confusion- When you are culted you lose any previous abilities (To prevent the cult from being horrificly overpowered this game) When the cult leader dies all cultees return to their previous role. Remember this, so to not reveal your role while talking out of game.

2) To the Cult leader- If you cult a member of the mafia, your role will be revealed to them. If you cult the Inquisitor, you die. I mention this in public to avoid sending out a lot of PMs which I don't have time at the moment to do.Fenris should be safe, and just about the last target for anyone non-cult, who'll have to first grow to get him lynched.

Since I don't have a real lead myself, I'm going to follow Zilla's example in hopes of getting more info.

Vote: Rokrin

[Ugainius]

Think harder Fernis

[Zilla]

Fenris is by no means in the clear. In his very own game, cult led the town on a wild-goose chase by claiming to be trying to find the cult, when in actuality, the people leading the cult-hunt were the cultists themselves.

All we have for evidence is Fenris saying he's cult hunting, which is a shady move to announce in the first place because that renders your night cult-hunting totally ineffective.

That's why I think he's just as likely to be cult-aligned. Especially given the flavor implicating him as being a part of a group.

[Oron]

So, crazy stuff happened.

I'm not quite ready to jump back on the Rokrin vote yet. I'd rather think about everything that happened during the night first.

I wouldn't mind knowing who The Wandering God was looking up, though.

[FenrisWolf]

All we have for evidence is Fenris saying he's cult hunting, which is a shady move to announce in the first place because that renders your night cult-hunting totally ineffective.

Well, Zilla, sorry that I was painted in an incredibly scummy manner and named during a night post where I didn't even submit a role. The only things that he described that night were mafia behavior or cult-hunting behavior. Guess which one I'm going to claim?

I mean seriously, this isn't rocket science. Either I'm lynched or I attempt to get another night to find the cult leader.

[Zilla]

Your appeal to emotion is noted. But, you're being illogical in this.

The only evidence we have that you didn't submit a role is your say-so, and it's possible you're spreading misinformation regarding that so as to throw us off.

But the really illogical part is this:
The only things that he described that night were mafia behavior or cult-hunting behavior. Guess which one I'm going to claim?

Here's the part of the night post I want us to be aware of:

Shortly thereafter, Fenris Wolf was pointing a gun at a woman saying, rather angrily "Where's the crystal ball?". The woman then spat in his face and said "The likes of you and your friends will NEVER get your grubby hands on it" Fenris, angered by this, pointed the gun at the woman's right pinky and pulled the trigger jeering "We'll be back for the other fingers later. Hopefully, by then, you'll realize how hopeless it is to try and hide it from us." And he turned to rejoin his group and left the woman in tears for the night.

And your "claiming the cult-hunting portion":

I'm hunting the cult.

The contradiction here is that nowhere in the night post is it maintained that you are hunting the cult, and more to the point, you were already named in the night post. You're not "claiming the anti-cult behavior," you're claiming that the action you're described doing is "anti-cult."

Furthermore, you only bring up the "I didn't submit an action" after I call out that your claim is still suspicious. I would think that would be a lot more forefront on your mind than claiming right off the bat to have anti-cult powers.

This is all way too suspicious, and I think it's a pretty solid lead.

Unvote: Rokrin
Vote: FenrisWolf

Also, TWG:

My investigations didn't turn up a town threat sadly enough, and I don't want to reveal the role of the townie I investigated. Sorry I don't have more info.

You're doing it wrong. Now that we know your investigated party is a power role, you can't clear a townie. You should have just said who you investigated and that they were town.

[FenrisWolf]

Go for it, see where it gets you. I'm way too tired to even attempt to fight your mislogic.

[Zilla]

Read: I need time to frabricate a plausible defense.

A full roleclaim at this point is probably the best thing you can do. You've already painted a huge cult target on yourself, there's no reason left not to fullclaim.

[FenrisWolf]

Read: I need time to frabricate a plausible defense.
This interpretation is stupid.

Now that that's out of the way.

A full roleclaim at this point is probably the best thing you can do. You've already painted a huge cult target on yourself, there's no reason left not to fullclaim.

Full roleclaim?

Sure, why not.

I'm the Inquisitor: Town-Aligned.

2) To the Cult leader- If you cult a member of the mafia, your role will be revealed to them. If you cult the Inquisitor, you die. I mention this in public to avoid sending out a lot of PMs which I don't have time at the moment to do.

Dear, CL. Please attempt to cult me.

Fine, I'll do my best despite not getting any more than 5 hours of sleep a night for the past week.


There's a large difference between contradictions and clarification. I haven't even said enough to possibly contradict myself, unless my two statements I've made thus far have been "I am wearing a red shirt," and "but it's really blue."

Shortly thereafter, Fenris Wolf was pointing a gun at a woman saying, rather angrily "Where's the crystal ball?". The woman then spat in his face and said "The likes of you and your friends will NEVER get your grubby hands on it" Fenris, angered by this, pointed the gun at the woman's right pinky and pulled the trigger jeering "We'll be back for the other fingers later. Hopefully, by then, you'll realize how hopeless it is to try and hide it from us." And he turned to rejoin his group and left the woman in tears for the night.

I'm hunting the cult.

There's no contradiction there. There's clarification. Big difference. Ugainius's post never said that I wasn't hunting the cult. The crystal ball in that portion of the post strongly hints that I am, in fact hunting the cult. If I were just hunting people in a mafia-esque manner, that lady would be dead rather than, you know, living.

The contradiction here is that nowhere in the night post is it maintained that you are hunting the cult, and more to the point, you were already named in the night post. You're not "claiming the anti-cult behavior," you're claiming that the action you're described doing is "anti-cult."You're wholly and inequivocally wrong.

I have no control over how Ugainius decides to portray me. He portrayed me a certain way. I had to explain why he would explain me in that way.

Furthermore, you only bring up the "I didn't submit an action" after I call outYou think way too highly of yourself. I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to everybody. I actually didn't even read your post because I tend to do better when I don't. that your claim is still suspicious. I would think that would be a lot more forefront on your mind than claiming right off the bat to have anti-cult powers.
Hell no it wouldn't. Put yourself in my shoes.

You know you have a role.

You're shown using that role and it's shown in a scummy manner. What will the first thing you do be? Say you didn't submit the role the GM said you did, or state what the role being portrayed is? Come on now, even you aren't that bad at mafia to say you didn't submit the role right off the bat.

Can I go to bed now?

[Zilla]

ITT: Fenris is irate that he isn't given 100% trust immediately.

Still, pending counterclaim:
unvote: Fenris

Your "contradiction" defense reads my post wrong, and your need to provoke confrontation has you saying I'm wrong about something you didn't even challenge, AND it's still fishy that your first explanation is a short one-off about "I'm hunting cult," BUT it's clear there is an Inquisitor role in this game, one that can't possibly be culted, so it's best to wait for a counter-claim before moving foreward. Also, there's no reason for someone to fake a counter-claim because mafia doesn't want cult to win (and, if you're strictly anti-cult, you're not a threat to mafia), and cult can't risk counter-claiming.

So you're skating by on your claim.

[FenrisWolf]

Darn, and I was hoping that I would skate by on my rugged handsomeness.

PS: if you want people to read your posts right, say what you mean.

[The Wandering God]

So, crazy stuff happened.

I'm not quite ready to jump back on the Rokrin vote yet. I'd rather think about everything that happened during the night first.

I wouldn't mind knowing who The Wandering God was looking up, though.
Well, if you look at the numbers, one thing becomes clear.

B_Real had 6 posts
Smarty had 13 posts
Masked Jedi had 4 posts

No lurkers were killed. Even the vig hit a contributing townie. It's the villagers in the shadows that worry me. And since Rokrin has tried to explain himself (even if he won't come back to see that he is still alive), then I must say that we drag out another suspect.

And since The Argent Lord has only made one post,

Vote: The Argent Lord.

And since the townie I investigated was the bodyguard, I don't intend to unveil the person who could hopefully protect me.


Also, TWG:

My investigations didn't turn up a town threat sadly enough, and I don't want to reveal the role of the townie I investigated. Sorry I don't have more info.

You're doing it wrong. Now that we know your investigated party is a power role, you can't clear a townie. You should have just said who you investigated and that they were town.
Sorry, I'm not in the habit of giving out the names of people who could save me.

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

Well, if you look at the numbers, one thing becomes clear.

B_Real had 6 posts
Smarty had 13 posts
Masked Jedi had 4 posts

No lurkers were killed. Even the vig hit a contributing townie.

Depends on your definition of "lurker." Masked Jedi was pretty quiet himself.

And since the townie I investigated was the bodyguard, I don't intend to unveil the person who could hopefully protect me.

That's beside the point now. We don't need to know the role of the person you investigate, just the alignment. You've already said too much about whoever you investigated that it's best not to say his name, but for future reference, just clear someone as being either town or scum, kthnx.

[Ravashak]

Under the assumption that Fenris isn't the Inquisitor (or possibly not the only one, which i doubt), you're asking an alledged Inquisitor, probably the town's best weapon against the cult to expose itself (remember, if the Inq is culted, the cult is insta-killed, cultees revert to their former ways). Even if there was one, they wouldn't come out for it, invisibility is their best defense for now (b'sides, even if someone did come out, it'd be word against word, resulting in a lynch of the real Inq, which is probably Fenris, just to be sure). If THAT's not a method for scum to get non-scum revealed, I don't know what is.

Unvote: Rokrin
Vote: Zilla

ps. There are no regular townies, everyone's either scum or a powerrole.

[Zilla]

Under the assumption that Fenris isn't the Inquisitor (or possibly not the only one, which i doubt), you're asking an alledged Inquisitor, probably the town's best weapon against the cult to expose itself (remember, if the Inq is culted, the cult is insta-killed, cultees revert to their former ways). Even if there was one, they wouldn't come out for it, invisibility is their best defense for now (b'sides, even if someone did come out, it'd be word against word, resulting in a lynch of the real Inq, which is probably Fenris, just to be sure).

Except that if Fenris isn't the Inquisitor, he's cult leader. I guarantee this. In such a situation, the real Inquisitor comes foreward, we lynch Fenris. If Fenris turned out to be real, we lynch the false-claimer.

I'm disturbed by this:

it'd be word against word, resulting in a lynch of the real Inq, which is probably Fenris, just to be sure)

1) you assume that in a "word-against-word" argument, the Inquisitor automatically loses.
2) You throw in that Fenris is more likely to be the real inquisitor based on nothing. This smells to me like you're trying to win his support, especially given how your entire hypothetical is based on Fenris NOT being the inquisitor.
3) You apparently forget that we have a vig, and a mafia that will also want the cult dead. If it comes down to "word against word" with a bad outcome, the liar is virtually guaranteed to be dead by morning, and if he's not, we can lynch the liar.

Your unfounded certainty in Fenris is interesting though. I'm going to speculate that you're the cult-leader, who knows Fenris is likely telling the truth, as I speculate that the only person who would be interested in faking an Inquisitor roleclaim would be the cult leader himself. The way you constructed your argument clues me in as to how you're thinking about this situation. Your case is primarily concerned with what would happen in the event of a counter-claim, meaning you've given serious thought about the repercussions of counter-claiming Fenris.

I find it interesting though, that you use this argument to implicate me. That in itself is telling. I would think the common pro-town response in your situation, believing the things you allege to believe, is to disagree with me and argue that the real inquisitor should remain silent if it isn't Fenris. However, this seems flawed to me, because if Fenris isn't the real Inquisitor, he's obviously scum. If someone counter-claims him and Fenris turns out to be the real Inquisitor, the counter-claimer is obviously scum. Even assuming this isn't the case, and that somehow my proposal was flawed, pro-town procedure would have you attempt to correct the proposal rather than try to use the argument as fodder to implicate me. The way your argument is structured seems more like you had in mind to attack me before you had the case to support it. Here's why I think I was a target for your attack:

So, how's a cult-leader to take advantage of this situation? Obviously, they can't go for Fenris, that'd leave way too much of a trail. Now that the Inquisitor is out in the open, the CL's only fear is being investigated by the Inquisitor. That means that CL's top priority is not to be investigated by the inquisitor. How best to do this?

Chainsaw defense! Attack someone who attacked the Inquisitor.

So, barring any counter-claims, I'm alleging that you are the cult leader. Seeing as how there's a safe way to clear this up, I propose the Inquisitor investigates you tonight. If I'm wrong, we don't even have to waste a lynch on it. If I'm right, we just bagged cult.

[The Argent Lord]

And since The Argent Lord has only made one post,

Vote: The Argent Lord.

It's finals week, I've pulled two consecutive all-nighters, and I my scumdar isn't pinging hard enough on anyone to make me act.

[Cephrir]

Even if there is a counterclaim at this point, I'm inclined not to lynch the counterclaimer yet because cults deserve to die N0 every game.

Accusing someone of being the cult leader for an action is probably unlikely to work out, since it's always in a cult leader's best interest to do absolutely nothing that could possibly be seen as controversial. Yay lurking to victory. Not.

[The Wandering God]

Depends on your definition of "lurker." Masked Jedi was pretty quiet himself.
Depending of your own definitions is the heart of this game, yeah?
That's beside the point now. We don't need to know the role of the person you investigate, just the alignment. You've already said too much about whoever you investigated that it's best not to say his name, but for future reference, just clear someone as being either town or scum, kthnx.
Can you explain why I should do that?
It's finals week, I've pulled two consecutive all-nighters, and I my scumdar isn't pinging hard enough on anyone to make me act.
I can understand being busy.

Unvote: The Argent Lord
Even if there is a counterclaim at this point, I'm inclined not to lynch the counterclaimer yet because cults deserve to die N0 every game.
Can you please explain what you mean?
Accusing someone of being the cult leader for an action is probably unlikely to work out, since it's always in a cult leader's best interest to do absolutely nothing that could possibly be seen as controversial. Yay lurking to victory. Not.
That's kind of why I'm trying to root around the lurkers to find town threats. And then I see that Griever still hasn't posted since early yesterday.

Vote: Griever

The Wandering God

P.S. Oh, and Zilla's just crazy driven and convinced she's always right.

[Cephrir]

Can you please explain what you mean?
I just hate them. Call me a conformist.

[The Wandering God]

I just hate them. Call me a conformist.
I'm merely questioning how you phrased it:

"deserve to die N0 every game."

Is "NO" another abbreviation for something?

The Wandering God

[Griever]

Uh yeah...I've been on painkillers all week after I got some teeth pulled and I have a habit of not posting anywhere when under the influence. You all seem to have about as equal chance of being scum to me as it stands right now so I really don't have much to say aside from random guesses.

[FenrisWolf]

I'm merely questioning how you phrased it:

"deserve to die N0 every game."

Is "NO" another abbreviation for something?

The Wandering God

N0 - Night 0

[The Wandering God]

Uh yeah...I've been on painkillers all week after I got some teeth pulled and I have a habit of not posting anywhere when under the influence. You all seem to have about as equal chance of being scum to me as it stands right now so I really don't have much to say aside from random guesses.
Well, then Unvote: Griever

Looking back over the thread, I'm going to have to go with a

Finger of Suspcionon The SSB Intern
Reason: 2 posts/2votes and hasn't check in yet today.

The Wandering God

Edit:
N0 - Night 0
Thanks

[Zilla]

Accusing someone of being the cult leader for an action is probably unlikely to work out, since it's always in a cult leader's best interest to do absolutely nothing that could possibly be seen as controversial. Yay lurking to victory. Not.

I understand the sentiment here, but there's a few things I'm considering here.

- The likelihood of a lurking cult-leader does not excuse potential scummy behavior
- Ravashak is also a lurker.
- It's a better lead than just picking a random lurker to attempt to find the CL.

[Cephrir]

I guess that's fair enough.

[Zilla]

People who need to post.

Cati
SSB
Tendronai
Griever
RalionX
Stress Ball
Oron
Rygar
Rokrin
Fungrus

If you're not voting, you're being scummy.

[Tendronai]

Or we (or, at least, I) could not be voting because getting involved in an argument based around semantics seems silly.

As always, I'll vote when I have a reason. So far, one night post's worth of description isn't enough to follow through on, and the after-effects of that aren't persuading me one way or the other yet.

[Oron]

Yeah, I can't think of any real good reasons to vote for anyone aside from lurkers. The way things seem, however, everyone's a bit too scrambled apart for any real followup on a vote until we get some more concrete information. Unless that's just me.

[Moogle0119]

Yeah not much to go on right now, I'm willing to believe Fenris's claim since there hasn't been a counter-claim yet too. Maybe TWG can check out Fenris tonight and verify that claim?

In any case I'll put my vote back on Cephrir for reasons I specified yesterday until a better case comes up.

Vote: Cephrir

[Zilla]

Not voting is scummy because it's holding the game up, it allows you to escape accountability, and it's going to get us to no-lynch again. Even if all you have to go on is lurking, it's better to have your vote out there to provide accountability and show you mean something in this game than to lead us to another no-lynch.

Furthermore, if you're not voting, I'm assuming you have something to hide and are afraid to commit to a vote.

[Tendronai]

Furthermore, if you're not voting, I'm assuming you have something to hide and are afraid to commit to a vote.

Cool.

VOTE: ZILLA


I don't like people trying to force me into voting.
All the information that's currently in the thread is based largely on one mostly uninformative night post.
Anyone who rushes to become a town authority by day two without any real information is interested in having the spotlight shone where they choose and not where anyone else recommends -usually scum.
I like bullet-pointed lists.


As it stands, you're pushing for votes and a lynch - we're going to need that, but it ought to come after actual deliberation. Which isn't about night posts phrasing but in-game behavior.

Stating that 'anyone who isn't voting is scum' before we've actually discussed anything is just going to result in a bunch of confused townies and opportunistic scum tossing votes out and town getting nowhere beneficial.

I'll unvote if/when I see anyone following this without any real explanation, or if/when there's an actual deserving lead to follow up on.

[Zilla]

As it stands, you're pushing for votes and a lynch - we're going to need that, but it ought to come after actual deliberation. Which isn't about night posts phrasing but in-game behavior.

Good, and I propose get some in-game behavior by laying our votes down. If we keep on doing what we've been doing, we're going to stall and not hit a lynch by deadline. Voting generates content, generates in-game behavior, and forces scum to act. If nobody's voting, scum can just lurk. You have to start somewhere.

Stating that 'anyone who isn't voting is scum' before we've actually discussed anything is just going to result in a bunch of confused townies and opportunistic scum tossing votes out and town getting nowhere beneficial.

Let's try out that bullet feature...

This generates evidence
This prompts debates
You assume town is "confused" all the time and that scum can control the town, that apparently we can't make sound decisions.
We WANT opportunistic scum tossing votes out. That makes them leave a trail. Nothing hurts town more than information blackout and relying on night roles.
I, too, like bullet points.


And why so bitter about me trying to get some activity in here?

[The Wandering God]

Now that it has been 24 hours and The SSB Intern has not responded

Vote: The SSB Intern

Reason: 2 posts/2vote on the first day and no post on the second day so far

The Wandering God

[Oron]

Now that it has been 24 hours and The SSB Intern has not responded

Vote: The SSB Intern

Reason: 2 posts/2vote on the first day and no post on the second day so far

The Wandering God

Eh, might as well, for now.

Vote: The SSB Intern

Very likely to change this, but I want to see some more evidence/information.

[Tendronai]

Good, and I propose get some in-game behavior by laying our votes down. If we keep on doing what we've been doing, we're going to stall and not hit a lynch by deadline. Voting generates content, generates in-game behavior, and forces scum to act. If nobody's voting, scum can just lurk. You have to start somewhere.

I agree that we do need content. The thing which I find troublesome is jumping into the "anyone not voting is hiding something" mentality so early, which is going to lead more to voting from fear of being thought of as scum, rather than voting because someone's noticed something worth following.

We can take our time and think things through at this point. I'd prefer if we took advantage of that.

And why so bitter about me trying to get some activity in here?

Cause now people are going to remember I'm playing and I'll be lucky to live through the night. My reputation precedes me~

[Zilla]

Why do you think we have a random voting stage? When we're low on evidence, we need to generate some by essentially random-voting. It's rare that we totally dry up on evidence on day 2 though, there should be more analysis of players that have posted, analysis on who died, etc.

There's an extremely passive bug going around. That's bad for not only town, but for the game of mafia in general.

Edit: Mod, can we replace inactives like Cati and Rygar? Neither of them posted. I'd ask one of the dead townies, since they shouldn't have any game-impacting info

[Cephrir]

Your "case" is 100% OMGUS. Surely you can come up with something better by now.

Vote: Moogle

[The Wandering God]

Your "case" is 100% OMGUS. Surely you can come up with something better by now.

Vote: Moogle
And your vote isn't???

Unvote: The SSB Intern
Vote: Cephrir
Reason: Hypocrisy

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

Your "case" is 100% OMGUS. Surely you can come up with something better by now.

Vote: Moogle

I was going to say, are you talking about him, or you.

[Cephrir]

I'm still voting him from yesterday, plus this.

And no, I shouldn't have something better by now, because this actually makes sense.

[Zilla]

What's your case on Moogle then?

[Cephrir]

1. I'll agree that Rokrin is not the best vote but I'm just seeking the most plausible alternative. Maybe I'd be better off voting for suspicious people.
Unvote
Vote: Ths SSB Intern

I really shouldn't have to explain this one, but that was a classic lazy player post. The wagon hop with generic reasons is stupid and I can see that even if town you're going to be worthless.

TWG, you damn well better be town. Also, you should claim. More often than not people discount them here but especially since you're new I'll be basing a lot on it.
FoS Moogle, your reason for voting sucks (incorrect VC) and until recently I thought you were better than that. Looks like An attempt to sneak on the wagon without having to take flak later if it's wrong, because it's basingcally a random vote too late to be randomly voting, and plus you sounded serious. And there's also the part where it happens to be on the biggest wagon.

Actually

Unvote Vote Moogle.

2. He's still voting me for that post.

[Moogle0119]

Cephrir you're not "still" voting me from yesterday, otherwise you would have placed your vote back on me when Day 2 started in any of the three posts you made prior to voting me (post #129, #131, or #137). You only voted me because I voted you.

Or are you saying you're still voting for me because of your reason from yesterday?

I'll agree that Rokrin is not the best vote but I'm just seeking the most plausible alternative. Maybe I'd be better off voting for suspicious people.
Unvote
Vote: Ths SSB Intern

I really shouldn't have to explain this one, but that was a classic lazy player post. The wagon hop with generic reasons is stupid and I can see that even if town you're going to be worthless.

TWG, you damn well better be town. Also, you should claim. More often than not people discount them here but especially since you're new I'll be basing a lot on it.
FoS Moogle, your reason for voting sucks (incorrect VC) and until recently I thought you were better than that. Looks like An attempt to sneak on the wagon without having to take flak later if it's wrong, because it's basingcally a random vote too late to be randomly voting, and plus you sounded serious. And there's also the part where it happens to be on the biggest wagon.

Actually

Unvote Vote Moogle.
I would fix my post but I don't think I can on this stupid thing.
So you voted for me when I had the most sound reason for voting for TWG yesterday? Everyone else was going off of an argument similar to "he sounds like scum" while my argument was "he mis-quoted a post count" and that was the biggest mistake I had seen anyone make so far at the point. My reasoning for voting for TWG may not have been the best ever, but it's certainly better than your current reason for voting for me.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir you're not "still" voting me from yesterday, otherwise you would have placed your vote back on me when Day 2 started in any of the three posts you made prior to voting me (post #129, #131, or #137). You only voted me because I voted you.
You reminded me.

So you voted for me when I had the most sound reason for voting for TWG yesterday? Everyone else was going off of an argument similar to "he sounds like scum" while my argument was "he mis-quoted a post count" and that was the biggest mistake I had seen anyone make so far at the point. My reasoning for voting for TWG may not have been the best ever, but it's certainly better than your current reason for voting for me.
You couldn't be more wrong. "He sounds like scum" is the only reason for voting for someone. Sometimes people explain it and go in-depth about each individual slip-up, or whatever, but it amounts to the same thing. Voting someone for counting incorrectly is retarded, and I can't believe you think it isn't. Obviously he did not intentionally miscount the votes, that would be the stupidest thing ever. However since you clearly think this is a legitimate argument, I'm inclined to believe you're an idiot rather than scum but possibly both.

Leaving my vote on out of principle.

Edit: Yeah, sorry about that.

[FenrisWolf]

Be civil.

[Moogle0119]

Underlined emphasis mine...

I'll agree that Rokrin is not the best vote but I'm just seeking the most plausible alternative. Maybe I'd be better off voting for suspicious people.
Unvote
Vote: Ths SSB Intern

I really shouldn't have to explain this one, but that was a classic lazy player post. The wagon hop with generic reasons is stupid and I can see that even if town you're going to be worthless.

TWG, you damn well better be town. Also, you should claim. More often than not people discount them here but especially since you're new I'll be basing a lot on it.
FoS Moogle, your reason for voting sucks (incorrect VC) and until recently I thought you were better than that. Looks like An attempt to sneak on the wagon without having to take flak later if it's wrong, because it's basingcally a random vote too late to be randomly voting, and plus you sounded serious. And there's also the part where it happens to be on the biggest wagon.

Actually

Unvote Vote Moogle.
I would fix my post but I don't think I can on this stupid thing.

You reminded me.


You couldn't be more wrong. "He sounds like scum" is the only reason for voting for someone. Sometimes people explain it and go in-depth about each individual slip-up, or whatever, but it amounts to the same thing. Voting someone for counting incorrectly is retarded, and I can't believe you think it isn't. Obviously he did not intentionally miscount the votes, that would be the stupidest thing ever. However since you clearly think this is a legitimate argument, I'm inclined to believe you're an idiot rather than scum but possibly both.

Leaving my vote on out of principle.

Edit: Yeah, sorry about that.

The whole reason I voted for you to begin with was because you started making statements like in the first post I quoted you on and because I noticed you had done it in another mafia game when you were being voted for and you ended up being the a mafiate. Your most recent post only furthers my suspicion of this.

My whole reasoning for voting for TWG was because originally he said I had not posted yet when I had, not a vote miscount. If you're going to vote for me at least get your facts straight and leave the personal attacks out, thanks.

[Zilla]

I still find my cult-leader analysis on Ravashak convincing, but at this point, I'm tempted to vote Cephrir. It's ironic, really, but the reason I'd vote him is because he's making an easy case on Moogle for what can be spun as a weak vote, and for statements like

I'm inclined to believe you're an idiot rather than scum but possibly both.

Leaving my vote on out of principle.

Also the whole OMGUS of it all and the hypocrisy of calling Moogle out on it, when he clearly wouldn't have voted Moogle if Moogle hadn't voted him. It's funny how OMGUS can apply both ways here.

[Ugainius]

Deadline: Tuesday 10:00 PM GMT

That's like 24 hours plus to finish day 2

[The SSB Intern]

Here's a quasi-explanation of my behaviour. I don't always have time to post here, so in order to stay moderately active, I'll just go with whoever's made the best point.

Anyways...

Could I get an estimate of how suspicious I am right now? I could roleclaim, but I'd rather not put myself in unnecessary danger.

[Tendronai]

Deadline? But we were actually getting stuff done.

UNVOTE: ZILLA

My vote is currently going to go to either Cephrir, for the case Moogle outlined, or for SSB, since he just said he was going to bandwagon rather than do anything himself.

[Cephrir]

The whole reason I voted for you to begin with was because you started making statements like in the first post I quoted you on and because I noticed you had done it in another mafia game when you were being voted for and you ended up being the a mafiate. Your most recent post only furthers my suspicion of this.
Just because I was scum in that game doesn't mean it wasn't true. That was legit.

My whole reasoning for voting for TWG was because originally he said I had not posted yet when I had, not a vote miscount. If you're going to vote for me at least get your facts straight and leave the personal attacks out, thanks.
Whatever, it's still an awful reason.

My vote is currently going to go to either Cephrir, for the case Moogle outlined,
What case? No seriously.

Could I get an estimate of how suspicious I am right now? I could roleclaim, but I'd rather not put myself in unnecessary danger.
That's mildly suspicious.

If I'm going to be lynched today, please don't do it without letting me say something. Until recently I didn't think that was a possibility but if Tendronai is convinced by Moogle's nonexistant case others might be too.

[Fungrus]

Moogle's reasoning seems the best, seems to me people do tend to slip into the same patterns of speech when put under presure (The whole I thought you were better than that thing)

Vote: Cephrir

[Stress Ball]

I'm sort of split. On one hand, I do think that Cephrir's behavior has been rather scummy. However, I do have to agree with him that Moogle's vote yesterday wasn't the best. I think this explains Moogle's reasoning adequately, though, so I think he seems trustworthy for the moment. I'll FoS: Cephrir, as per Moogle's reasoning, and will change it to a vote if we get closer to the deadline with no more leads.

[Zilla]

Freakin' hell, that's a quick-call on deadline.

unvote: Ravashak
Vote: Cephrir
Because we need a goddamn lynch.

[The Wandering God]

Vote Count:

Voting Cephrir:
Moogle0119
The Wandering God
Fungrus
Zilla

Voting Zilla:
Ravashak

Voting Oron:
The SSB Intern

Voting Moogle:
Cephrir

By my time, it's 29 hours to Night.

The Wandering God

[Oron]

So, a Cephrir lynch? I'm going to hold off until a bit later, just in case something else comes up. Until then,

Unvote: The SSB Intern

Oh, TWG, you got my name and vote switched around.

Eh, might as well, for now.

Vote: The SSB Intern

Very likely to change this, but I want to see some more evidence/information.

[Rokrin]

Vote: Cephrir

Marching band is a bitch but it appears we need a lynch.

[Stress Ball]

Vote: Cephrir

Although he hasn't been on the boards to defend himself, it's close to the deadline and we really need to get a lynch.

[Ravashak]

Was a bit pre-occupied, but i was shocked by some of the leaps of logic, Zilla, will retort on that on day 3 if I survive that long. (and yes, Inq/PO/... are allowed to investigate me, I have nothing scummy to hide at this point in time, though there's always a good chance I'll get culted after this xP)

Nevertheless
Unvote: Zilla
Vote: Cephrir
Let's face it, a lynch is needed

[Cephrir]

Screw it, I don't think saying that is fair much as I'd like to. Hopefully no one saw it but honestly I wouldn't be disappointed if they had. Much as they suck for stealing my (???) powers, it's not the cult leader's fault they got stuck with a stupid role. At least I can get out of this while also establishing a meta that will convince people not to cult me ever again.

Unvote
Vote Cephrir

Also, Moogle and Stressball for mafia.

[Stress Ball]

Screw it, I don't think saying that is fair much as I'd like to.

Also, Moogle and Stressball for mafia.

You're still a bit away from a lynch, and I'm open to be swayed off voting if you give me a good argument for it.

EDIT: Nevermind, didn't see the edit.

[Cephrir]

Who are you kidding? Once someone gets five votes they're basically dead. Of course, if I wanted to survive I could have just claimed PO with a guilty on Moogle. But then I'd be helping the cult win.

Edit: Although I should probably point out that lynching a cultist is a waste of time, and if my CL dies I do revert to town, so I'm gonna edit my role out of that post. And
Unvote: Me

I guess.

[Zilla]

^ Another point for doubleposting being good; we can't see these edits, and in real mafia, someone wouldn't be able to play coverup like that.

I still think Ravashak is CL, in fact, Ceph being cultee only helps confirm this. I was suspicious of Cephrir for defending Ravashak when I posted my case. It was relatively safe to do so at the time, I figured if Ravashak WAS Cult Leader, the inductee from last night would make a move to diffuse my case. Cephrir was the one to make that move, and it turns out he's been culted.

Edit: Also, now a few people have seen an unedited post which kinda unbalances the game, since it can count as hiding messages.

[Ravashak]

Deadline's passed, another lynch-less day it seems (if majority is required). Here's hoping that the night brings some better luck this time.

[Stress Ball]

Unvote: Cephrir

Doing this if it can still count. Hope you're right, Zilla.

[Zilla]

Seven on Cephrir. Even if the non-voters were assumed to vote no-lynch by default, Cephrir wins.

This had BETTER be a lynch.

Edit:

Stress, can you recount what Cephrir said before he edited his post? It could be important.

Ceph, what's your town role before you were culted?

[Stress Ball]

The ??? had a role name in it. That's all that was edited out. I won't say the role, but it could pose a degree of threat to the SK. I'll just say that I hope you're right about Ravashak, and that Cephrir could use some protection tonight.

[Zilla]

Rrrrragh, but what if you're the SK?

This is why I hate editing messages.

Edit: (the irony) Also, Ceph doesn't need protection any more than our PO needs it. At the moment, he's a powerless cultee, unlike our PO.

[Stress Ball]

My edit was a ninja edit. I was just finished replying to Cephrir's original post (which I quoted), when I looked up and saw his edited message, complete with role reveal. I added in the last part within a minute of my post, consisting entirely of the part labeled "Edit". Cephrir then edited it a second time a little later, removing the details about his role.

Also, if I was the SK, why would I want to report that he had an Anti-SK role? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Finally, Ceph needs protection because cultees can revert back to their original role after the cult leader dies. If you're right about Ravashak being cult, then if the inquisitor manages to kill him tonight, Cephrir will be able to use his power again. By not protecting him tonight, we allow the SK a clear shot at killing him, thus depriving us of a town-aligned role.

[FenrisWolf]

Shut up about double posting.

[Cephrir]

Yeah, I just removed my role because it occured to me that killing myself might not be optimal. With any luck Stressball is the only one who saw it. Yeah, it's not fair that I'm able to do that, but those are the rules here and I'm taking advantage of them. Also, I still suspect Stressball for trying to get me protected rather than the PO although obviously this will change if TWG turns out to be lying (Speaking of which, he said he got an innocent right?). My role is clearly less important although still relevant. I'm not really much more of a threat to the SK than any other power role so they totally shouldn't kill me. But no, really. Especially since I'm worthless at the moment.

I wish I could confirm or deny whether Ravashak is the Cult Leader but supposedly if I give any hints I become the Cult Leader and gain two cultees per night whether I like it or not. No doubt the mod is making this up just to prevent me from outing him/her/it but it worked. The bolded bits of this post have no relevance whatsoever, I clearly just felt like bolding them.

Vote: Ravashak for not being me.

[Moogle0119]

Uh, what the hell did I just miss? Seriously? When did Cephrir role claim?

[Ugainius]

Cephrir: cultee is now dead. Night begins now.

DAy 3 Begins Saturday 00:00 GMT

[Cephrir]

8 votes wasn't enough to kill me and based on yesterday's deadline rules I shouldn't be dead. You just wanted me to die before I say something you don't want me to :p

Bah, go not-cult.

Edit: Ah, I assumed he was demanding a full majority. Fair enough.

[Zilla]

^ Actually, yesterday's "deadline" was a huge mess, because technically according to Ugainus' "deadline," Rokrin was tied for votes with someone. Despite that if a clear deadline were established, he would have easily been lynched. >:|

You had clear majority this time on a clear deadline, you're perfectly all right to be dead.

[Ugainius]

OKay lads bit of a break there.

A beady eyed man was jostling a another fellow in a dark alley "WHERE IS HE DAMMIT WHERE IS HE!?!?!" "You'l never f-find him n-NEVER!"

Meanwhile the mans true target stalked his prey down a dark alley way. He was about to make his kill but he then noticed a large bodyguard besde him. "Hmph what are those two doing! YOu'd think they were on the same side. Bah!!

Nobody died so here's day 3.

[Stress Ball]

Ok. Ravashak isn't dead yet. Let's fix that.

Vote: Ravashak

Cephrir was our Vig, by the way.

[Moogle0119]

So Cephrir gave us confirmation that Ravashak is the CL? No reason not be believe it.

Vote: Ravashak

On the flip side, I think that's kinda fucked up though from a meta-game point of view to sell out your team like that just because you don't like being part of the cult since it's against the spirit of the rules, but oh well.

[Zilla]

vote: Ravaskak

The only thing that will shake my vote is if Fenris confirms that he targeted Ravashak last night.

Edit: Or the unlikely scum roleclaim, but I doubt that's going to happen. Actually, even then, I wouldn't shake because they're just likely another initiate told to save the cult-leader. Again, only Fenris gets to tell me otherwise, he's uncultable.

[Oron]

Vote: Ravashak

Any ideas who'll be next if he's not the leader?

[Zilla]

I'll look over Cephrir again if Ravashak turns out not to be CL.

[Ravashak]

I have to say, I'm surprised I lived through the night. Slightly less surprising that I'm now being the target for a lynch, though, the reasons being that I disagreed with Zilla on day 2, giving an annoyance vote there, and the cultee being the only one posting something that could support me.

Face it, these actions are far too much in the spotlight for me to actually the cult leader.

Meanwhile,
Vote Tendronai

[Fungrus]

Vote: Ravashak

May as well go for the blindingly obvious.

[Ugainius]

Rorkin, Serial Killers parthner is now dead

Carry on

[Tendronai]

VOTE: RAVASHAK

I don't think I need an expository post here.

[The Wandering God]

Vote: Ravashak
Reason: High chance of being cult leader.

The Wandering God

[Ravashak]

Talking about suspicious persons, TWG, who'd you investigate this night, and what were the results?
If you're not going to post that at all, I'm going to have to assume you are NOT an PO.

[The Wandering God]

Talking about suspicious persons, TWG, who'd you investigate this night, and what were the results?
If you're not going to post that at all, I'm going to have to assume you are NOT an PO.
Well, if more of the town wants to know I will tell since it wasn't a very important role.

So, should I say who I investigated and/or what ability they have?

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

TWG, just say someone's a townie or not, don't give scum details.

Also, very VERY interesting flip on Rokrin.

[Ravashak]

If there's no post here within about 6 hours about me being investigated by anyone, I'll roleclaim (and go to sleep immediately after), but naturally, I prefer not to have to do that.

[Fungrus]

errr, so you're saying if no one actually 100% confirms you, you'll make something up?

[The Wandering God]

TWG, just say someone's a townie or not, don't give scum details.

Okay, I looked in The SSB Intern and he's clean.

The Wandering God

[Ravashak]

errr, so you're saying if no one actually 100% confirms you, you'll make something up?No, it's just that my life will be forfeit anyway that way. There's no way they'd let me live.

EDIT due to noone else posting:
All right, since it looks like I'm going to be lynched anyway, no matter what I say or do (and I can't say I can blame most of the bandwagon), I'm going to come clean with my role. I'm the Cop, Town Aligned. So far, I investigated Moogle, who's clean, and Tendronai, who's the SK. I guess the only way to prove it is to push the bandwagon on me to majority.

Unvote: Tendronai
Vote: Ravashak

[Stress Ball]

Unvote: Ravashak

Vote: Tendronai

I think we should at least test to see if this is true. The town's lost too many power roles already, so I want to be certain if he's lying or not before acting.

[Moogle0119]

Unvote: Ravashak
Vote: Tendronai

Seems weird with TWG having an investigation role too but hey if he's able to clear my name and point out the SK who am I to argue?

Edit: Plus it would make sense if this is true and Cephrir threw those last few posts of his out there pretending to hate cult and bury Ravashak's name as his "hated" CL when in reality he's just buying them another night.

[The SSB Intern]

Okay, I looked in The SSB Intern and he's clean.

You... investigeted me?

I am offended, Mr. God.

Well, good people, I hope that clears things up. As your Mayor (town-aligned) I wouldn't my nightlife to be in question.

No, it's just that my life will be forfeit anyway that way. There's no way they'd let me live.
Well, I could initiate curfew. That makes all night actions void. So you'd be guaranteed to live till tommorow, but you wouldn't be able to investigate anyone.

[Zilla]

*sigh* you sheep. FOS: Stress Ball and Moogle for converts.

I don't like giving cult another day, but it's possible we can lynch Tendy and if he's cult aligned or anything but serial killer, Ravashak is definitely cult leader. I'd rather just close the case and be done with it.

[Moogle0119]

Well what would you rather have around for an extra day?

The SK who can kill off important members of the town? Or a CL who's culting ability will probably be rendered pointless (since in most games any cultists return to their original alignment if the CL dies)? I'd rather take the non-town night kill out as a priority, I mean it's not like Ravashak is going anywhere tomorrow anyway and we can always lynch him then.

[RalionX]

Well, if SSB does initiate curfew, cult wouldn't get a new member, right?

I think it makes more sense to lynch Tendronai first.

Vote: Tendronai

[Tendronai]

You're all just joking, right? No one in their right mind would let cult keep going.

Of course he'd claim I was the SK; lynching them removes an unfriendly town kill from the game. Unless he said I was the cult leader, there's no better choice for a lynch.

But since I doubt the real SK will roleclaim and give you any real proof that Ravashak is lying, I'll just have to hope that you come to your senses.

[Zilla]

unvote: Ravashak
Vote: Tendronai

Definately SK. That post there isn't a town post. All that remains is whether he's been culted or not.

[FenrisWolf]

Vote: Tendronai

I'll investigate Ravashak tonight.

[Zilla]

Who did you investigate last night? Also, you can't investigate if we do the curfew thing.

[FenrisWolf]

You.

[The Wandering God]

Unvote: Ravashak
Vote: Tendronai
Reason: Possible SK.

The Wandering God

[Zilla]

You.

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/8813/facepalmlv9.jpg

[FenrisWolf]

Don't seem so scummy next time.

[Zilla]

Perhaps learn to tell what scummy is, and that suspecting/not trusting you doesn't make someone scummy.

[Ravashak]

Unvote: Ravashak
Vote: Tendronai

[FenrisWolf]

Perhaps learn to tell what scummy is, and that suspecting/not trusting you doesn't make someone scummy.
I'm not even going to reply to this because you don't accept criticism.

Okay, that's a lie, I'm going to respond to this by telling you that you need to learn how to accept criticism.

[Zilla]

Hello, pot. I'm the kettle.

Not to bicker, but what's so "scummy" about me aside from suspecting you?

[Ugainius]

A Deadline should have went up yesterday, but I didn't have my internets then. So I'm going with sometime tomorrow maybe.

Also It's looking like Tendronai is next to die so if I get a post count with the right numbers he dies.

[Stress Ball]

Vote Count:

Ravashak (3)
Oron
Tendronai
Fungrus

Tendronai (7)
Ravashak
Stress Ball
Moogle0119
RalionX
Zilla
FenrisWolf
The Wandering God

[Oron]

Well, seems like Tendronai's going to die.

Since I don't know exactly how many votes are needed to lynch, and the Ravashak vote isn't going anywhere I'm just going to do this until a bit later.

Unvote: Ravashak

[Fungrus]

Okay lads I've given ye a few hours lets get this party started. (Name was scrapped after balancing, not enough players to truely get behind it)

3:RalionX
4:The Argent Lord
5:Cati
6:Stress Ball
7:Oron
8:Griever
11:FenrisWolf
12:Ravashak
13:Tendronai
14:The Wandering God
15:Rygar
16:The SSB Intern
17:Moogle0119
18:Zilla
19:Rokrin
20:Fungrus

Dead:
1:Masked Jedi - Dim witted inspector
10:B real shadows - Editor
2:Smarty McBarrelpants - Citizen Lynch
9:Cephrir - Cultee


Have at it. Also PMs about your role will be totally accepted, I know I wasn't very clear on some of them.

EDIT- Now I have the time lets get down to some ground rules.

1)The Cult- Standard stuff here, but one special note to avoid confusion- When you are culted you lose any previous abilities (To prevent the cult from being horrificly overpowered this game) When the cult leader dies all cultees return to their previous role. Remember this, so to not reveal your role while talking out of game.

2) To the Cult leader- If you cult a member of the mafia, your role will be revealed to them. If you cult the Inquisitor, you die. I mention this in public to avoid sending out a lot of PMs which I don't have time at the moment to do.

3) Nights will be handled as normal albiet most likely shorter. I Will accept actions after night is over if you don't make it on time.

It is Day One Start lynching

Updated the first post for ya. I make it 9 for majority.

unvote: Ravashak
Vote: Tendronai

[Oron]

Well, in that case....

Vote: Tendronai

Because I want to see some lynches and move this game along.

[Ravashak]

Rorkin, Serial Killers parthner is now dead

Carry on

Minor addition to Fungrus' list

[FenrisWolf]

Hello, pot. I'm the kettle.

Not to bicker, but what's so "scummy" about me aside from suspecting you?

Asking me to elaborate upon your scum tells, for one.

[Ugainius]

Tendronai, Serial Killer is now dead

The Vendetta Man has fufilled his role and won

[The Wandering God]

Won what?

The Wandering God

[Tendronai]

Go cult!

[The SSB Intern]

Wait, is it over now?

[Zilla]

It's been a forevernight....

[Ugainius]

Yeah INternet fail yesterday Don't know what my ISP is doing.

Expect update soon

Alright:

Moogle carefully lokked around the area. He had to make sure it was safe for that Inquisitor fellow. However the fates seemed to decide he was the one to fall tonight. The Mafia's Everpresent assassin was on his tail. A shot rang out from the balcony and as a quick as the wind:

Moogle The bodyguard, town-aligned was dead.

It is now Day 4 proceed.

[Ravashak]

So, what's the Town Plan for today? I investigated the Cult Leader (Rygar), do we lynch him during the day, or do we send in the Inquisitor (presumably Fenris xP) this night? Since the cultees will revert to their former role when the Cult Leader dies, if we have a decent clue for a Mafiate, I think that'd be preferable.

Nevertheless, for now,
Vote: Rygar

/mourn Bodyguard

[Moogle0119]

Damnit and I was going to do a big reveal today too, oh well go town! </deathpost>

[Stress Ball]

The cult must die.

Vote: Rygar

Also, does anyone have clues about what's going on with the Vendetta Man?

[Zilla]

Vendetta Man was non-aligned that won when the serial killers died. Usually when they win, they're removed from the game since they have nothing left to play for, and can potentially screw with the rest of the game if left in... Vendetta Man isn't the standard rolename for that either, it's usually something like "hunter" or "lyncher."

I'm for voting Rygar for now, but I don't think we should rush to end the day either.

Vote: Rygar

[FenrisWolf]

I won't vote for Rygar just yet. But I will vote for Rygar if no new leads come up, as I can kill him tonight if necessary.

[Fungrus]

Since we got confirmation off of Fenris that he can kill Rygar, I investigated RalionX who is the Mafia Executioner (Mafia aligned)

So vote: RalionX

[FenrisWolf]

Vote: RalionX

[Ravashak]

Sounds good to me.

Unvote: Rygar
Vote: RalionX

[Stress Ball]

Sounds like a plan.

Unvote: Rygar
Vote: RalionX

[Zilla]

I'm not so sure I trust it, but cult's screwed anyway.

unvote: Rygar
Vote: RalionX

[Ugainius]

Tests are testing.

Deadline tomorrow: RalionX dies if not reached.

[RalionX]

Not reached? I don't get what you're saying.

[Ugainius]

RalionX: Mafia Executioner is now dead.

Night

Also what I meant was if target wasn't reached.

Daybreak

Ravaskak: Cop lies dead. Crude work by any mans standards. Won't be checking back here till Wednesday, so the deadlines then.

[Ravashak]

Meh, if I died, at least I would've preferred to die in style

/deadpost