And the final Cylon is.... [Archive]

Kroze Gamegod

01-16-2009, 11:30 PM

Absolutely pointless because it is dead.

This episode was amazing and Ron Moore still manages to keep collectively kicking all of his viewers in the balls after 3 and a half seasons.
I still can't believe they didn't even cut away when Dee went ahead and shot herself dead. You flat out saw it all... I slowmo'd it and you can see the brain matter exit. BSG has one hell of a special effects crew!

All in all, it was an excellent way to kick off these final ten episodes despite my balls still hurting from the force at which Moore hit them...

P.S. FRAK YOU ELLEN TIGH FOR TOTALLY BEING COMPLETELY USELESS EVEN IN DEATH AND TAKING UP A FINAL FIVE SPOT!

Ryanderman

01-16-2009, 11:49 PM

Ellen died in range of a Cylon Resurrection ship I believe. If Moore wants her to be alive, he's got ways to make her alive. Don't know that that's what'll happen though.

Amazing episode. As usual.

Kroze Gamegod

01-16-2009, 11:56 PM

Ellen died in range of a Cylon Resurrection ship I believe. If Moore wants her to be alive, he's got ways to make her alive. Don't know that that's what'll happen though.

Only one small problem with that... How can there be an Ellen on the Resurrection Ship if none of the Cylons even knew who the Final Five were? You would think they would have seen her clone bodies or something! We were told that the final five were very different then our Cylons... plus these Cylons are two THOUSAND years old... ours are not even close to that. So yeah... she is pretty much dead and thats what makes it so damn genius, that the final Cylon has no impact on the current state of things whatsoever...

Ryanderman

01-16-2009, 11:58 PM

I didn't say it was a perfect theory. Just that she's not definitely definitely dead.

Kroze Gamegod

01-17-2009, 12:03 AM

I'm still stuck in the step of Denial trying to convince myself that she is just a red herring.

Eltargrim

01-17-2009, 12:09 AM

Well. That was unexpected. On both counts.

TheWolf13

01-20-2009, 03:15 PM

I just got around to watching this off my tivo. I loved that the final five cylons were a part of the fleet unlike a lot of people. Unfortunately the whole cylon story just got too wacky for me to follow the last episode. We are supposed to believe that somehow the 13th colony was made up of cylons. Even though history doesn't record there ever being anything like a cylon before they were made. Then somehow those cylons decided to make centurions almost exactly like the other twelve colonies despite not having any contact with them. Furthermore they eradicated(I sure hope it was by humans) but somehow five of them wind up halfway across the galaxy. It is just too much for my imagination to take. I still love the show but I have become convinced that somewhere in season 3 they just started to make stuff up as they went along.

Dørmatte

01-20-2009, 03:24 PM

That the ultra paranoid human race would be sitting around with their thumbs up their asses like nothing's happening, while the homicidal maniac AIs they just fought a huge war with were massing for a new one in secret out there somewhere ignoring all attempts at diplomatic relations, was too much for my imagination to take in the first place...

I just take it for granted nothing's going to make sense and enhoj the show, eh.

Eltargrim

01-26-2009, 11:59 PM

My opinion on Friday's episode can be expressed in two lines:

1. Fuck Gaeta.
2. Bald Roslin is not hot.

So, yeah. Fucking Gaeta.

Mannix

01-27-2009, 01:53 AM

Gaeta's the only one with a lick of sense.

Also there isn't a 'fifth' cylon per se - as was strongly hinted at starbuck is also a cylon which would bring the total to 6. also, during the flash backs there were whole cities full of cylons, and they have yet to find the promised land that the dying leader wouldn't get to see. i'm not sure where they're going with all that, but i'm pretty sure there's going to be a lot more cylons 'revealed' in the next couple of episodes .

Eltargrim

01-27-2009, 01:57 AM

Because mutiny and turning against potentially very valuable allies is sensible.

Also: Baltar is not Jesus. Thank god.

As to the "Final Five":
I see the idea of the final five as there were five known old-Cylons left alive by some means; the new-Cylons were imprinted with the knowledge of their existence (by the old-hybrid?), went 7+5 = 12, and there you go. Worked quite well with the number of colonies. The fact that there were five is only significant in that that many were still alive. I personally doubt Starbucks Cylon status in favour of the other possibility: batshit insane supernaturalism.

Solid Snake

01-27-2009, 03:15 AM

What I love about Battlestar Galactica is how the show continually takes every sci-fi / fantasy stereotype and completely defies it.

Hey, your character received some newfangled prophecy regarding leading her people to the promised land? Well screw that, your "promised land" has been nuked into charred wastelands. Another prophecy indicates the importance of a "final Cylon" as some mystical larger-than-life figure of enormous importance? ...No, wait, screw that, she's already dead.

Watching this show is like repeatedly getting punched in the gut, but the irony is, after a while I realize: if this show cops out with some ludicrous "too good to be true" ending where a new paradise is discovered and the Cylons and humans embrace in hugs and a utopian society is formed and everyone lives happily ever after, I would hate it. That would suck. There's only one legitimate way BSG can end and it will involve everyone holding out hope of a better future despite their abysmal circumstances as a ragtag fleet stranded in the middle of nowhere, solving a litany of problems on a daily basis.

Mannix

01-27-2009, 04:59 AM

Eltargrim

01-27-2009, 11:23 AM

if by valuable allies you mean homicidal maniacs that have butchered your people on three distinct occasions for no particular reason any of those times, then yes they are quite valuable.

They also provide technology that will increase the probability of finding a habitable world by 300%. Additionally, these are the ones who were kind of against the Cylon grain; Caprica Six, the Sharons, hell, even Leoben with his crazy prophecies was more interested in Starbuck then the destruction of the human race. It's the Dorals and Cavils that they should be worried about, given their superior numbers of ships, repair facilities, etc. Look, I'm not saying give them a free pass (Citizenship opens up the possibility of prosecution for war crimes; hey, access is access) but sometimes the survival of your race requires a deal with the devil. This isn't a "surrender your principles" thing, more of a "pragmatism is a necessary evil" thing.

Mannix

01-27-2009, 05:59 PM

They also provide technology that will increase the probability of finding a habitable world by 300%. Additionally, these are the ones who were kind of against the Cylon grain; Caprica Six, the Sharons, hell, even Leoben with his crazy prophecies was more interested in Starbuck then the destruction of the human race. It's the Dorals and Cavils that they should be worried about, given their superior numbers of ships, repair facilities, etc. Look, I'm not saying give them a free pass (Citizenship opens up the possibility of prosecution for war crimes; hey, access is access) but sometimes the survival of your race requires a deal with the devil. This isn't a "surrender your principles" thing, more of a "pragmatism is a necessary evil" thing.

they're still cylons and still highly unpredictable, especially now that they can die. the only way they should be let in as citizens is if the cylons allow the fleet to hide a couple of remote-detonatable nukes on their base ship just in case.

synkr0nized

01-28-2009, 06:28 AM

I love how the only people posting in this thread are clearly people who follow the series quite well, and yet you are all using spoilers. Even with that thread title.

Osterbaum

01-28-2009, 03:46 PM

I hate it how the vice-president, quorum and most everyone else is playing a whole holier-than-though attitude. Who was it that created the cylons as slaves for the human race again? It's no suprise they rebelled and held a grudge.

That being said, an alliance with the Cylons, or rather with ONE baseship doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

The quorum, Zarek and Gaeda are all being unbelievably short-shighted and selfish.

Mannix

01-28-2009, 06:13 PM

I love how the only people posting in this thread are clearly people who follow the series quite well, and yet you are all using spoilers. Even with that thread title.

Just trying to be neighborly.

I hate it how the vice-president, quorum and most everyone else is playing a whole holier-than-though attitude. Who was it that created the cylons as slaves for the human race again? It's no suprise they rebelled and held a grudge.

That being said, an alliance with the Cylons, or rather with ONE baseship doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

The quorum, Zarek and Gaeda are all being unbelievably short-shighted and selfish.

I still don't see how it's short sighted to not trust a race of mentally unbalanced murder machines.

synkr0nized

01-28-2009, 06:40 PM

Just trying to be neighborly.

All right, seriously, let's not push it (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=29712).

Kroze Gamegod

01-28-2009, 06:48 PM

That being said, an alliance with the Cylons, or rather with ONE baseship doesn't seem like such a bad idea.

The quorum, Zarek and Gaeda are all being unbelievably short-shighted and selfish.

This isn't about the Cylons for Zarek...
Haven't you've been paying attention to the show at all?
He's been wanting Adama and Roslin out of command for a long while now and he is using the whole "Cylon" deal to push his own agenda.
He knows that Gaeda just hates them due to what they have caused him to lose... just like he is pushing all the other members in various different ways just to get his way.
Ever since Zarek has first appeared on the show he's been only out for himself. Its not like anything has changed with him. He is the worst of what human kind has to offer.

Mannix

01-29-2009, 06:36 AM

All right, seriously, let's not push it (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=29712).

dude, that was totally good natured fun

synkr0nized

01-29-2009, 07:22 AM

Which is why it wasn't a formal warning. ^_________^

Osterbaum

01-29-2009, 09:03 AM

This isn't about the Cylons for Zarek...
Haven't you've been paying attention to the show at all?
He's been wanting Adama and Roslin out of command for a long while now and he is using the whole "Cylon" deal to push his own agenda.
Indeed, that is why I put "selfish" in there. I should've pointed out that I was especially referring to Zarek.