Stargate Atlantis actually has the WORST series ending ever known to mankind.

[Megaman FTW]

Its a new record! It wouldn't be so bad if not for a few things...

First, the Area 51 scene. A dogfight happens over area 51 in which Sheperd's plane gets damaged and spirals out of control but magically can still fly 15 minutes later. Then he decides to phone in to home base and say he is going to launch his nuke at the Wraith Hiveship that is currently attacking. They reply that a single nuke would be almost useless against the hive ship, but he says that it will work because he's going to use it from the inside. Its just that the whole thing just SCREAMED Independence Day. Everything about it seemed to be torn right out of that movie. Then it gets worse...

Ronan and 2 others of the SGA team are on atlantis when the Hive Ship does some magic sci-fi thing to their stargate that makes it so that the only place they can get to from the stargate is the inside of the hive ship. It was awful polite of them to not send a flood of troops through it or at least put more than 2 guys with guns guarding the door. The SGA team members bust through and start a sabotage mission, whereabouts Ronan gets shanked and dies. This was red flag number 2. The character who is remarkably like Dargo dies in the series finale of a show that has already stolen 2 actors from Farscape. The same show where Dargo died in the series finale. Then they just happen to stumble into Sheperd while randomly wandering a ship the size of a planet. Why did Sheperd get out of the ship? I have no freaking idea. Furthermore, 5 minutes later Ronan is brought back from the dead by the Wraith so that they can interrogate him. But, just as the interrogation is about to start, the SGA team (who aren't looking for him because they think he is dead) happens to walk through the room he is in whilst randomly wandering a mothership the size of a planet. They shoot the only Wraith there and move on with their lives, Ronan in tow. It just seems silly. His death had no impact on the series at all except to act as a 5 minute time filler. Do they really need a time filler on the last episode? The answer was yes, since they needed something to fill the gaps that couldn't be filled by stealing script from Farscape or Independence day. They finished it off by setting up a remote detonator, flying out on Sheperd's ship (which I still don't know why he got out of), and blowing up the Hive. The Wraith are defeated, The humans and Atlantis are safe, and the show is over.

This kind of makes me wonder what Sci-Fi still has going for them. Sliders, First Wave, Farscape, SG-1, and Atlantis are all over now. It seems like all they have are Ghost Hunters and Sanctuary, which both suck from what I've seen. The only thing I can even speculate that they may be planning is making room for a schedule that will henceforth be composed entirely of the new season of Dr. Who, which I wouldn't mind a bit. That or they're just trying to free up all their actors and schedule time for a bunch of newer shows since they're probably sick of stargate and all that bollocks by now. (Is that even how you're supposed to use bollocks?)

[Mike McC]

Sci-Fi has Eureka still. And they are starting up Stargate Universe in the summer.

Also, aren't they doing the direct to DVD movies for Atlantis as well?

[Megaman FTW]

Thanks, I forgot about Eureka, and thats one of the ones that I've liked. Even so, its sad to see how Farscape, which was in comparison much less popular, go with such a bang while the ending to Stargate Atlantis was either predictable, stolen from another movie, or just plain pointless.

EDIT: Interweb searches indicate this is not the totally real finally ending. It is the final airing of a normal episode so it has the normal season finale jargon, the fo' real series ending will be a 2 hour movie to be shown on TV and then released to DVD afterward.

Even so, I want to shank someone over the way that went.

[BitVyper]

They could always resurrect the horrible Stargate cartoon.

[Mike McC]

Thanks, I forgot about Eureka, and thats one of the ones that I've liked. Even so, its sad to see how Farscape, which was in comparison much less popular, go with such a bang while the ending to Stargate Atlantis was either predictable, stolen from another movie, or just plain pointless.Farscape actually got the shaft as well. It was supposed to get 5 full seasons. Instead, it only got 4 seasons and they had to tie everything up (and resolve the fourth season finale's cliffhanger) in a four hour miniseries which took over a year to get to air. This is pretty much par for the course when it comes to Sci-Fi.

[Kyanbu The Legend]

Did SGA get bad ratings, or did they just get tired of it and decided to wrap up the whole thing in one 4 four special?

[Mike McC]

I hear the rising production costs and the falling dollar value were strong contributors to why it was cut loose.

[Solid Snake]

Which network is Battlestar Galactica on again?
I wouldn't know as I've only watched the DVDs.
But if Battlestar Galactica has any association whatsoever with the sci-fi channel than my only advice to you would be to stop watching every other sci-fi show and just watch Battlestar Galactica because it's like twenty thousand times better quality than anything Stargate I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

[Mike McC]

This is Battlestar Galactica's final season. And yes, it is on Sci-Fi.

It wasn't cancelled, the creators just realized they ran out of stories to write.

[Solid Snake]

So Sci-Fi can at least do one show well.

Granted I haven't watched a single Season Four episode yet (not even the Season Four episodes currently released) so if any of those ruin everything, I guess I'll be in for a nasty surprise. I have about, what, nine days left to catch up on them all before the next new episode is aired?

As for Stargate, I just have to say: I watched a few episodes of either Atlantis or the original television series (they all kind of blend in for me) and the show wasn't so much "atrociously terrible" as it was "pathetically inconsistent." Like, I'd watch one show about a woman who's hallucinating herself in a mental facility on Earth and I'd say, hey that's actually fairly clever. And then the next episode would be like "this is Sci-Fi but we're totally traveling to a planet consisting of medieval faire humans with swords living in medieval European towns!" And I'd be like I want these writers dead this is absolute bullshit. I like my Sci-Fi to actually be, you know, Sci-Fi. It's also nice when a show tries to be somewhat realistic as opposed to just making shit up that sounds "really cool" but makes absolutely no coherent sense for the next episode.

[Sithdarth]

Hey MegamanFTW just FYI you literally messed up every single plot point you hit in that entire post. Not to be mean or anything but one thing happened remotely like how you said it did.

Area 51 scene. A dogfight happens over area 51 in which Sheperd's plane gets damaged and spirals out of control but magically can still fly 15 minutes later. Then he decides to phone in to home base and say he is going to launch his nuke at the Wraith Hiveship that is currently attacking. They reply that a single nuke would be almost useless against the hive ship, but he says that it will work because he's going to use it from the inside.

1. When an aircraft goes into a tailspin like that the aerodynamic forces are such that its almost impossible to recover. Any normal aircraft would not have recovered and Sheperd would have passed out from the G forces. His plane was perfectly capable of flying he just needed to get it to re-stabilize.

2. Spacecraft meant for war generally have either armor or shielding. In this case it was a super hive with super thick armor. Add to that on the outside most of the energy is directed away one starts to see why it would have no effect. The armor on the inside is much less plus there is all sorts of delicate systems to disrupt.


Ronan and 2 others of the SGA team are on atlantis when the Hive Ship does some magic sci-fi thing to their stargate that makes it so that the only place they can get to from the stargate is the inside of the hive ship. It was awful polite of them to not send a flood of troops through it or at least put more than 2 guys with guns guarding the door.

1. What the hive ship did was bring a gate close to Earth. It has been previously demonstrated this generally results in the Stargate system using that gate instead of the old one on Earth. Plot device yes but logical and maybe a bit over used.

2.While Earth couldn't dial out those on at Atlantis could dial anywhere they wanted to dial. They just happened to want to dial Earth which forced the connection to the hive gate because it was acting as the default Earth gate. This was something the wraith probably weren't fully expecting.

3.Stargates are one way. How did you watch the show for any period of time and not get this. Whoever opens the wormhole can go through but no one from the destination can go to the place that dialed without waiting for the gate to shut of and then dialing the gate themselves. The only thing that can go the wrong way in a Stargate is radio transmissions.

4.There were many more guards than two guarding the gate. That's why the people from the SGC threw grenades through first and blew most of them up.

The SGA team members bust through and start a sabotage mission, whereabouts Ronan gets shanked and dies. This was red flag number 2. The character who is remarkably like Dargo dies in the series finale of a show that has already stolen 2 actors from Farscape. The same show where Dargo died in the series finale.

Ok that was a crappy plot twist and happened basically like that. However, your caparison doesn't really ring true in any specific sense. Basically because it was a standard SciFi trope that you will find in basically any long running SciFi show. Even SG1 did it in their season finale.

Then they just happen to stumble into Sheperd while randomly wandering a ship the size of a planet. Why did Sheperd get out of the ship? I have no freaking idea. Furthermore, 5 minutes later Ronan is brought back from the dead by the Wraith so that they can interrogate him. But, just as the interrogation is about to start, the SGA team (who aren't looking for him because they think he is dead) happens to walk through the room he is in whilst randomly wandering a mothership the size of a planet. They shoot the only Wraith there and move on with their lives, Ronan in tow.

1.They talked to Sheperd on the radio which stopped him blowing up the ship right then. During this talk they also agreed to meet up. Having been on wraith ships before they where relatively well aware of how to get from place to place and were actively trying to meet up.

2.Give the time constraints and the fact that they were now trying to make their way back to the room with the star gate it isn't really that crazy that they might reenter the rooms that they had originally passe through after leaving the room with the gate. Its not like there could be that many quick routes to where they were going.

3.The ship isn't the size of a planet. It isn't even the size of a moon. It isn't even the tenth the size of an average moon. They land the things on planets from time to time. It's about large city sized and maybe a little on top of that.

His death had no impact on the series at all except to act as a 5 minute time filler. Do they really need a time filler on the last episode? The answer was yes, since they needed something to fill the gaps that couldn't be filled by stealing script from Farscape or Independence day.

It the final tv episode. Nothing has an impact on the series anymore. Besides that it was a decent way to keep the dramatic tension up without doing something stupid like having wraith sucking up people from a major city.

They finished it off by setting up a remote detonator, flying out on Sheperd's ship (which I still don't know why he got out of), and blowing up the Hive. The Wraith are defeated, The humans and Atlantis are safe, and the show is over.


He got out of it because he wanted to meet up with his team and get off using the stargate. By the way they walked off the ship through the stargate they did not take his ship. They wouldn't have even fit in that ship anyway.

Oh and as for Sanctuary, if you don't like a show that looks that good and that has Jack the Ripper arguing with Tesla and lines to the effect of "The guy the invented radio just pissed off Jack the Ripper" you really must not like the SciFi genera that much.

[guyy]

And my short version of the above post: yeah, the final episode was pretty cliched in some places, but it wasn't THAT bad...it was better than any episode of most other TV series..es...right now, so "worst ending ever" is a bit much. Though it probably would have been better to spread the plot over 2-3 episodes so it didn't feel so crammed together.

Also, there's another Stargate series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Universe) starting later this year, mentioned in a brief, cryptic, and nonobvious ad right after the Atlantis finale, so SciFi hasn't quite killed itself yet even if you think all their other shows are terrible.

[synkr0nized]

But if Battlestar Galactica has any association whatsoever with the sci-fi channel than my only advice to you would be to stop watching every other sci-fi show and just watch Battlestar Galactica because it's like twenty thousand times better quality than anything Stargate I have ever had the misfortune of watching.

'cause making everyone potentially a Psylon is good writing, right? And let's not forget how everyone has to whisper - it's dramatic!

[BitVyper]

2. Spacecraft meant for war generally have either armor or shielding. In this case it was a super hive with super thick armor. Add to that on the outside most of the energy is directed away one starts to see why it would have no effect. The armor on the inside is much less plus there is all sorts of delicate systems to disrupt.

I imagine the fact that there's an atmosphere inside the ship doesn't hurt either. Or at least, I assume there would be, since I haven't actually seen any of this.

[Aerozord]

from all you just said, still sounds better then SG-1's ending. Because, you know, it ended. As opposed "yea we got some new tech, shame you will never get to see it get used again"

[Mike McC]

from all you just said, still sounds better then SG-1's ending. Because, you know, it ended. As opposed "yea we got some new tech, shame you will never get to see it get used again"Except in all the movies they're doing.

[Toast]

I enjoyed it, and yes, it was a better finale than sg1's.

[Seil]

I'd argue the SG ending with Jekyll series ending. Hands down. Awesome series, terrible ending. Not to mention that nearly every actor is terrible save for Nesbitt.

[Hawk]

a woman who's hallucinating herself in a mental facility on Earth and I'd say, hey that's actually fairly clever. And then the next episode would be like "this is Sci-Fi but we're totally traveling to a planet consisting of medieval faire humans with swords living in medieval European towns!" And I'd be like I want these writers dead this is absolute bullshit. I like my Sci-Fi to actually be, you know, Sci-Fi. It's also nice when a show tries to be somewhat realistic as opposed to just making shit up that sounds "really cool" but makes absolutely no coherent sense for the next episode.

I don't think you understand the concept of this series. If you did, you would know how it's possible for there to be planets full of medieval humans with swords one week and space battles or whatever the next. It's not just making shit up, it's all actually part of a much larger backstory which is actually quite complex, which it would be after 12 years of work on it.

But if you've never seen much of the show you obviously wouldn't understand it.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

So Sci-Fi can at least do one show well.

No, it isn't so much a question of doing a show well. Its a question of keeping good shows on the air.

I mean, I really liked The Invisible Man & I was just starting to get into The Dresden Files, just as the final episodes were starting to air. (since then, I've gotten the DVD & started looking into the books). Plus, there was a time where they ran Mystery Science Theater for a while. And of course, there's Farscape.

Sci-Fi has the ability to get some good hits occasionally, I just think the bean counters just don't have the stomach to actually fund any of them long term. Stargate/Battlestar are exceptions to that rule, but they had established fan bases before they made it to Sci-Fi, so they had something of a leg up on ratings.

Eureka only survives on Sci-Fi because of all the initial acclaim & because they've got those short seasons working for them. But I see it as a matter of time before some nitwit at Sci-Fi decides to cut paying for said series.

SWB

[Solid Snake]

'cause making everyone potentially a Psylon is good writing, right?

Actually, as of the end of Season Three, the identity of certain cylons is probably the only twist I didn't care much for. That may not be the fault of the writers, though, as Season Four might have quickly explained it away. It just kind of came out of left field, though, and the series had done a better job of adequate foreshadowing before that.

[Megaman FTW]

I'd have to say that the Wraith sucking everyone off the surface of a planet if much better than a character dying, and staying that way only for the duration of a single commercial break, only having time for 4 other characters to even find out he is dead.

Furthermore, if the wraith were going to revive him for interrogation, they would bring him back to a secure location for the interrogation to happen before reviving him. They wouldn't just bring him back right where he dropped.

As for my complaints about the Area 51 dogfight scene, my problem isn't that it isn't a good scene, its that it is the same good scene that was also the ending of independence day. Remember how there was the dogfight happening over Area 51 at the same time as they had Will Smith fly the nuke IN TO the alien ship to detonate it on the inside? It makes perfect sense, its just that it has already been done in almost exactly the same way already.

As for the Wraith not guarding their gate, it was said explicitly that the wraith used proximity to jam earth's gate on purpose. They said that every time the wraith attacked a planet, they found some way to jam their stargates, and that this was how they were doing it this particular time. And I guess you were right, there were more than 2 guards on the other side of the gate, there were 3. Enough that three grenades and 4 soldiers could infiltrate the hive without even the least bit of resistance, or even being noticed. I'm just saying that for the inferior humans to have full bases set up around their Stargates to ensure that enemies couldn't get in without a fight, it is silly for the Wraith to just throw out the welcome mat with no blast doors, reinforcements, or even cameras. Its like no one on the entire hive even cared to notice that a hole in space had opened up inside of their base and that an easily overwhelmed team of 4 soldiers was attacking the super big boss base of the enemy alien race.

[Sithdarth]

I'd have to say that the Wraith sucking everyone off the surface of a planet if much better than a character dying, and staying that way only for the duration of a single commercial break, only having time for 4 other characters to even find out he is dead.


Not even remotely. The whole point of all the Stargate series is that the general population does not know. It contributes a lot to the willing suspension of disbelief needed to keep the show enjoyable. Its like having a superhero reveal his identity to everyone. More often than not it ends up ruining the story in the long run.

Furthermore, if the wraith were going to revive him for interrogation, they would bring him back to a secure location for the interrogation to happen before reviving him. They wouldn't just bring him back right where he dropped.


Would you rather drag 200 lbs around with you for 10-20 minutes or make it walk? It makes so much more sense to revive your prisoner and have him walk where you need him to be. The rest was just standard Wraith taunting and gloating not interrogation.

As for my complaints about the Area 51 dogfight scene, my problem isn't that it isn't a good scene, its that it is the same good scene that was also the ending of independence day. Remember how there was the dogfight happening over Area 51 at the same time as they had Will Smith fly the nuke IN TO the alien ship to detonate it on the inside? It makes perfect sense, its just that it has already been done in almost exactly the same way already.

This is going to sound mean but get over it. In the Stargate universe it was well established that Area 51 was the place where all the alien tech gets sent. Further, pop culture has labeled it as the place where all the alien tech gets sent. In any show where there is alien tech to be sent somewhere its going to be sent to Area 51. Besides similarity to other Scifi scenes does not make it bad. Especially when there is almost no similarity and anything that is there is superficial at best. That whole suicide ride into the base thing is just a staple of heroic fiction especially science fiction. Heck at least one other time in the course of Stargate Atlantis Sheperd did the exact same thing to a Wraith hiveship with a puddle jumper. I'm pretty sure it probably happened in SG1 too. If that qualifies it for worst ever than we've got a lot of things tied for worst ever.

As for the Wraith not guarding their gate, it was said explicitly that the wraith used proximity to jam earth's gate on purpose. They said that every time the wraith attacked a planet, they found some way to jam their stargates, and that this was how they were doing it this particular time. And I guess you were right, there were more than 2 guards on the other side of the gate, there were 3. Enough that three grenades and 4 soldiers could infiltrate the hive without even the least bit of resistance, or even being noticed. I'm just saying that for the inferior humans to have full bases set up around their Stargates to ensure that enemies couldn't get in without a fight, it is silly for the Wraith to just throw out the welcome mat with no blast doors, reinforcements, or even cameras. Its like no one on the entire hive even cared to notice that a hole in space had opened up inside of their base and that an easily overwhelmed team of 4 soldiers was attacking the super big boss base of the enemy alien race.

1. Every time the wraith attacked a planet they dialed the gate preventing anyone from leaving. They said in the episode that since the wraith could not do that for Earth because they didn't have access to a Milky Way gate and were in a hurry they used the proximity of another gate to accomplish the same thing. The wraith didn't have special gate jamming techniques and wouldn't even need them. All they ever needed to do was to dial into the world.

2. Given that this was something new that the wraith were doing its not hard to imagine they didn't have a special room set up for it. There were 3 guards immediately in front of the gate but many more in the room as a whole. It definitely wasn't with the least bit of resistance and the wraith definitely knew they were there. Further, the whole 4 man team taking on impossible odds thing is the very heart and soul of both Stargate series. Anything else would have been completely contrary to the entire flow of the series itself.

In short, your comparisons are unfair and superficial at best. You can't condemn a show for scenes that are somewhat the same as something else or happen in the same places. There happen to be a limited number of places things can happen. Even worse there are a limited number of places that have the correct myths and legends surrounding them to make for proper willing suspension of disbelief.

[BitVyper]

Would you rather drag 200 lbs around with you for 10-20 minutes or make it walk?

Exactly how difficult it is to carry an unconscious person really needs to be emphasized. It's not just like carrying two hundred pounds around; it's like tying two hundred pounds of water balloons together, and trying to carry THAT. A common error made in fiction is having people carry around corpses, or limbs, or whatever like it's nothing. Stargate is just failing to make that error here.

[Hawk]

So what are we saying here then now, that this thread title is completely and utterly wrong and Stargate continues to be one of the best sc-fi series ever despite what some people claim?

[Eltargrim]

What this ending was was a series of tropes tied together.

What needs to be noted is that tropes are not necessarily bad things.

Were there some things that made me grimace? Sure. But there are a few complaints that I've noticed that are easily explained.

1. Area 51. Sithdarth already covered it, but there was already a prior example of the chair being moved to Area 51. My issue was more with the delivery.

2. The tailspin of the F302: it's specifically mentioned earlier in the series that they have inertial dampeners. It's also the only way that some of the manoeuvres could have been carried out during the dogfight.

3. Interrogation: Against the average inhabitant of the Pegasus galaxy, the Wraith get their answers. Now, you have a team of enemy combatants of unknown size parading through your ship. When they could be sabotaging vital equipment, 10 minutes is a lot of time. Additionally, did we ever get a firm time limit as to how long someone can be dead before the Wraith cannot revive them? That could have had something to do with it. Taking the time to secure him may well have prevented them from reviving him at all.

4. The lack of guards on the Stargate. Given that the Wraith were using the gate on their ship to prevent Earth from dialing out, period, they most likely didn't expect to have that gate activated. It wasn't to prevent incoming connections, it was to prevent outgoing connections. What bugs me is that the Wraith soldiers don't have the sense to try to do something about the grenades, be it throw them back into the event horizon, or at least try to jump out of the way.

[Aerozord]

Exactly how difficult it is to carry an unconscious person really needs to be emphasized. It's not just like carrying two hundred pounds around; it's like tying two hundred pounds of water balloons together, and trying to carry THAT. A common error made in fiction is having people carry around corpses, or limbs, or whatever like it's nothing. Stargate is just failing to make that error here.

but why would you carry the person? Why not just drag the corpse from point A to point B? Not like they care about the bodies well being, its easier on the surface of a ship too. Plus aren't the wraith supposed to be stronger? Or heck if you got a sharp blade, some rope, and time, hack off the limbs. That would make it less unwielding and lighter with the added bonus of making any escape vastly more difficult.

[Eltargrim]

but why would you carry the person? Why not just drag the corpse from point A to point B? Not like they care about the bodies well being, its easier on the surface of a ship too. Plus aren't the wraith supposed to be stronger? Or heck if you got a sharp blade, some rope, and time, hack off the limbs. That would make it less unwielding and lighter with the added bonus of making any escape vastly more difficult.

That's part of why I think it was an issue of time more so than convenience. I mean, Ronon is pretty big, but I doubt that a Wraith would have a lot of trouble moving him.

[Mike McC]

Again, why do work when you can just make the corpse mobile?

[Eltargrim]

Again, why do work when you can just make the corpse mobile?

This is also true. I mean, from the point of view of the wraith that revived him, how likely was it that the enemy would come right back the way they came? Honestly, if he had 53 more minutes, Ronon would have been long gone.

[Aerozord]

Again, why do work when you can just make the corpse mobile?

because it can escape

[Sithdarth]

Its not like the wraith brought him back to full fighting form. Plus wraith are nothing if not overconfident and arrogant like all Stargate villains.

[Aerozord]

well I'm not personally complaining about it, I'm used to villians making mistakes like this. I'm just pointing out that it would have been smarter to left him dead. I mean if they were really under such time restraints not like they would have had time to interragate him anyways.

[Eltargrim]

well I'm not personally complaining about it, I'm used to villians making mistakes like this. I'm just pointing out that it would have been smarter to left him dead. I mean if they were really under such time restraints not like they would have had time to interragate him anyways.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the average Pegasus inhabitant would have answered the questions immediately. Institutionalized fear of the Wraith, their mental abilities, and the shock of being brought back to life would probably make them pretty pliable. Compare the low risk of the victim escaping on his own to the damage that a force of unknown size could do to the super-hive right as they're attacking the richest feeding ground that they've ever seen, and I can see why the Wraith brought him back.

[Aerozord]

yes but why would the average person be on the ship? And if he was average inhabitant then the chance that he actually knew anything worthwhile is slim. Again this isn't the kind of thing most people consider, but it is true.

[Eltargrim]

yes but why would the average person be on the ship? And if he was average inhabitant then the chance that he actually knew anything worthwhile is slim. Again this isn't the kind of thing most people consider, but it is true.

We've seen Satedan succumb to Wraith influence before. I should clarify; when I say "average", I mean "not on the main cast". In short, most of the time the Wraith is going to get it's answer. Ronon, Sheppard, Tayla, and maybe McKay are the exception to the rule.

[Fifthfiend]

You know what show Sci-Fi should pick up?

Pushing Daisies.

[Eltargrim]

You know what show Sci-Fi should pick up?

Pushing Daisies.

Oh fuck yes.

But then they'll kill it, just like everything else. An ironic fate, I suppose :(

[bluestarultor]

Well, fans ARE starting to get creative. For the Dresden Files, there's a campaign that involves writing "BRING BACK THE DRESDEN FILES!" on a drumstick (the wooden kind, not chicken), and mailing it to the appropriate person in power for the network. In short, they know that something made of solid wood is harder to toss in a shredder than paper and are flooding some guy with them to be as hard to ignore as possible.

Maybe not the most ethical strategy, but it beats the hell out of bitching on the internet.

[Mike McC]

You know what show Sci-Fi should pick up?

Pushing Daisies.Actually, there's a fan campaign to try to get AMC to pick it up. The site of the campaign is here (http://savedaisies.com/).Well, fans ARE starting to get creative. For the Dresden Files, there's a campaign that involves writing "BRING BACK THE DRESDEN FILES!" on a drumstick (the wooden kind, not chicken), and mailing it to the appropriate person in power for the network. In short, they know that something made of solid wood is harder to toss in a shredder than paper and are flooding some guy with them to be as hard to ignore as possible.

Maybe not the most ethical strategy, but it beats the hell out of bitching on the internet.It was creative when the fans of Jericho sent pounds and pounds of nuts to CBS. Then EVERYONE tried to send stuff to networks for cancelling shows. It wasn't as effective anymore.

[Megaman FTW]

It would be funny if CBS packaged the nuts and sold it back to the fans as the official nuts of Jericho.

[Aerozord]

We've seen Satedan succumb to Wraith influence before. I should clarify; when I say "average", I mean "not on the main cast". In short, most of the time the Wraith is going to get it's answer. Ronon, Sheppard, Tayla, and maybe McKay are the exception to the rule.

ok that makes abit more sense. Still this is an over all SG thing I noticed. How often does "taking them alive" ever work in the bad guys favor? I have seen some short term advantages with brainwashing, information, ect. But in these cases they ultimate payoff is often less then if they just killed the guy. For example, how many times in the original series did the main cast save the earth. By that I mean if other characters were involved they would have lost and the bad guy win. Now how many chances did said bad guy have to just kill them?

Normally this is a trope I overlook, but after them getting away for the fifth time you'd think they'd realize a "take no prisoners" policy would pay off alot more in the long run

...sorry, I realize that was abit ranty