Watchmen 2 (The Adventures of Super Bubastis)

[Kaneda]

Old thread reached the post limit.

Here's (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/watchmen.html?showVideo=1) the new trailer.

I'm still wondering if they'll have that comic in a comic thing. I want it to stay, but it keeps seeming less and less likely.

They confirmed that The Black Freighter won't be in the theatrical release, but they're planning to have it for a DVD release. I hope that Bernard and Bernard make it into the theatrical cut though.

[Magus]

I actually hope it's not in the Director's Cut or that there's an option to shut it off, I mean, as I really thought it should have been live-action but with some sort of patina coloring to set it apart from the rest of the movie (300 style). Animation I think would be too much in contrast with the rest of the film, I believe, Kill Bill not withstanding. That's actually how Snyder wanted to do it, in live-action (or so he says, I take everything he says with a grain of salt now), but somehow or other it couldn't be done (possibly a time issue, as it's already almost three hours long without any mention of the comic apparently).

I'd also like to say that the chances of Ozymandias having a genetically engineered lynx as a pet is probably not in the movie anymore, since I think the only reason for its existence in the first place was a hint at the monster plot, which we all know is no longer in there. Oh, and to lure Dr. Manhattan in between those anti-matter wall thingies, but something else can easily be put in there to change that.

Just saying.

[BitVyper]

Not a big fan of Rorschach's voice. It sounds almost... farcical. I know it's supposed to be kind of raspy/whispery, but that half stage-whisper, half needs-a-lozenge thing they have going on sounds more funny than anything. Same problem I had with The Dark Knight.

Overall, it looks like it might be pretty good. I'm not too pleased with some of the stuff I've been hearing lately, but it'll probably still be alright.

I don't like Ozy's costume. I know the colourful stuff is harder to work in a movie (Speed Racer and Casshern disagree), but we're talking about someone who styled himself after the great ancient emperors. The royal colours in his design make sense. getting rid of that aspect of his costume is annoying enough, but they replace it with emo colours? Come on; this is not remotely how Ozymandias pictures himself. Not at all. I can do with costume changes in most cases, but this one not only doesn't suit the concept; it's actually out of character for Ozymandias himself.

Ozymandias should look like Achilles and be dressed like royalty crossed with silver age superheroes. That's how he pictures himself (well, not the silver age bit, but you get the point).

[NonCon]

Rorschach's bothers me less and less each time I hear it, Doc Manhattan's bothers me much more, but I'm willing to overlook that since they managed to make him look exactly the way I would expect him to look in a live action thingymabob. Ozymandias looks a little older than I first thought, so I can roll with it. I am very glad they kept the R rating. It gives me hope.

[Kaneda]

I'd also like to say that the chances of Ozymandias having a genetically engineered lynx as a pet is probably not in the movie anymore

They've shown Bubastis in a few of the posters so far, I'm guessing she'll end up in it despite her increased irrelevance.

I agree with BitVyper on Rorschach's voice, it's something of a letdown for me. When you see Jackie Earle Haley in other works like Little Children you can see how if he used his normal voice it would have been great. That almost unexpected kind of voice would have made Rorschach really unique.

Also Patrick Wilson seems fucking perfect as Dan so far.
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6430/picture136hk4.png

[Magus]

The metal part of the costume definitely should've been shining gold, yeah. If you want to make the rest of it dark blackish purple that's fine. I mean, Some of the other characters have bright colors for their costumes, I don't see why Ozymandias' had to be altered as much as it was.

[Kaneda]

The metal part of the costume definitely should've been shining gold, yeah. If you want to make the rest of it dark blackish purple that's fine.

It's sort of almost goldish.
http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/watchmen4.jpg

But I agree it's one of the more disappointing costumes. They at least made it a tad effeminate to make up for the lack of gaudiness.

Also the 2nd song from the new trailer is "Take A Bow" by Muse in case anyone was wondering or cared. I'm not sure what the first one was though. (Philip Glass?)

[NonCon]

I was wondering. If that makes you feel better. The outfit should definitely have been a bit more cheery.

[RickZarber]

You know, it's kinda funny, those same frames of the attacker pointing a gun "at" the audience are in this trailer, but there's no walkie-talkie CGed on top of it this time! (1:07 in the new trailer)

[Mac]

God, Ozymandias and his costume reminds me of Robin from Batman & Robin

[Mirai Gen]

That's exactly the point. Snyder already said it was trying to reflect the Bat-Nipples.

So far I'm really really liking the movie trailer. And I especially have to double Kaneda on Patrick Wilson. He's fucking perfect.

I'm liking that they haven't shown Roarshach's face. I really am looking forward to the penitentiary scene especially and it's good that they're keeping it a secret and hidden.

[Seil]

Next Watchmen thread:

OOPS SORRY LESS RORSHARCH

Next Misc. News Thread:

ZACH SNYDER LYNCHED BY ANGRY FANS

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

My problem is that they're doing things like the costume to reflect current superhero movie trends but that's all they are going to do. I mean if you're going to do that, you need to rewrite the whole thing rather than make a token half-ass effort to reflect current trends.

They really need to decide whether they want to stick to the original or update it. Because if you want to reflect current movies you need to completely overhaul the whole thing.

[Mirai Gen]

My problem is that they're doing things like the costume to reflect current superhero movie trends but that's all they are going to do. I mean if you're going to do that, you need to rewrite the whole thing rather than make a token half-ass effort to reflect current trends.

They really need to decide whether they want to stick to the original or update it. Because if you want to reflect current movies you need to completely overhaul the whole thing.
...The reflections are there to be direct metacommentary on modern superhero movies. Just like how Watchmen was when it came out. So the costumes that needed to be updated...got updated?

I mean...what else do you want?

[Kaneda]

My problem is that they're doing things like the costume to reflect current superhero movie trends but that's all they are going to do. I mean if you're going to do that, you need to rewrite the whole thing rather than make a token half-ass effort to reflect current trends.

They really need to decide whether they want to stick to the original or update it. Because if you want to reflect current movies you need to completely overhaul the whole thing.

It's partly just making the costumes look better for live action. The costumes for characters like Rorschach, the Comedian, and of course Dr Manhattan, have been updated very little or none at all, because they look fine anyway.
Some of the other costumes were in need of an update simply to keep from being laughable in live action form. And if you're going to update anything, it's best to do it in a manner that keeps with Watchmen's themes of the deconstruction of superheroes.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

...The reflections are there to be direct metacommentary on modern superhero movies. Just like how Watchmen was when it came out. So the costumes that needed to be updated...got updated?

I mean...what else do you want?

Actual proper metacommentry?

You can't take a piece written to comment on superhero comics in the 80s, then throw in some token references to modern superhero comics and expect it to work.
If you want to make commentery on modern superhero movies you can't use a piece written in 1985. You need to rewrite it.
Either they kept it as a commentary on when it was wrote or they update it to now. You can't do both as both of them will come of as half-hearted.

One of the key tenets of deconstructionism is NOT to mix dialogues. What is this doing? It's mixing dialogues. Making little refences to modern superhero movies is NOT metacommentary. It is shallow and token and shows ZERO regard for how deconstructionism actually works.

I can understand that some of the costumes need to be updated but making them parodies of modern superhero movies is just sad actually. I think they have completely missed the point.

[Mirai Gen]

Making little refences to modern superhero movies is NOT metacommentary. It is shallow and token and shows ZERO regard for how deconstructionism actually works.

Okay, so, what about the rest of the movie? Watchmen is metacommentary. They've made it reflect slightly more where it needs to and left it alone where it doesn't, because the touches are aesthetic at absolute most. Your proposition sounds like the superhero movie commentary needs to be a completely different movie. To which I reply, what the hell, why? Does the meta really destroy the movie?

You can't take a piece written to comment on superhero comics in the 80s, then throw in some token references to modern superhero comics and expect it to work.
They aren't 'thrown in', in fact the only one that is even kind of odd is Ozy's outfit (And it makes sense since he's supposed to be effeminate/ possibly homosexual anyway). The rest of them all make sense, lots of jumpsuits and darker pallettes which is all X-Men talking.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Okay, so, what about the rest of the movie? Watchmen is metacommentary. They've made it reflect slightly more where it needs to and left it alone where it doesn't, because the touches are aesthetic at absolute most. Your proposition sounds like the superhero movie commentary needs to be a completely different movie. To which I reply, what the hell, why? Does the meta really destroy the movie?

Watchmen is metacommentary but on a completely DIFFERENT dialogue.
You can't say because they are both metacommentary they go together. That's equivalent to putting Romans in my movie about World War 2 and saying "Well they are both history."
And yes my point is exactly that if they want to talk about modern superhero movies then they need to abandon the source material. It is simply too well harnessed to take such takeons and the movie is detrimented by such lame attempts at "commentary" which is a pale shadow of Moore's commentary which incorporated literary theory.
Stick to the original commentary or make a commentary. Can't have both.
And it destroys the movie because it makes NO sense. You can't make commentary on composing dialogues. Derrida couldn't make comment on different dialogues in a single piece and I highly doubt the director has reinvented the field of post-structural analysis.


They aren't 'thrown in', in fact the only one that is even kind of odd is Ozy's outfit (And it makes sense since he's supposed to be effeminate/ possibly homosexual anyway). The rest of them all make sense, lots of jumpsuits and darker pallettes which is all X-Men talking.

Of course they are thrown in. Unless the script has been reconstructed to take advantage and make comment on modern superhero movies then that this is the very definition of thrown in.
If they have rewritten the script to do so, then I shall retract my statements but I find it unlikely.

With a normal movie I probably wouldn't care but Moore's comic showed a full awareness of methods of literary deconstruction and used them well. This movie is completely ruining this and I don't think they even understand the subtlety of Moore's work so instead we are left with:
"Dur, let's make textual reference to super hero movies. We're like Alan Moore. We're great literary minds. Hur hur hur."

But really I don't care too much.Such ridiculously out of place changes have ruined any chance of me going to see this movie but I want movies to stimulate me not to just entertain. Other people look for different things and they can totally enjoy it.

I just pissed cause for once I had a movie to get excited about and then they shat on it.

[Mirai Gen]

And it destroys the movie because it makes NO sense. You can't make commentary on composing dialogues.
...The costumes destroy the movie?

You're sticking with that, then, are you?

[Masked Jedi]

Of course they are thrown in. Unless the script has been reconstructed to take advantage and make comment on modern superhero movies then that this is the very definition of thrown in.

Did the comic ever comment on the visuals? I'm thinking... no. It still used its visuals though. It was a four-colour, because that's what were popular in superhero comics at the time. The look of superheroes has changed in the past 25 years, and the film's look has changed to reflect that. Also, when the guy who designed the costumes for the book has thrown his complete support behind the movie, I think that's a sign that it's not ruining the movie.

[Seil]

....I wanted to take part in this conversation, but it's gotten kind of fanboyish. And I don't understand BHS' arguments. Then again, I'm the guy who likes CAD and dislikes SGR, so who cares about my opinion? (Even though I've posted a few pics depicting the costumes/ screen caps that no one is using in their arguments.)

(I mean, seriously.)

(And the fact that a Watchmen movie is awesome and we're all going to go see it - every single one of us - and then we're going to come on NPF and bitch about the tiny, insignificant little details that Snyder added or left out.)

(Seriously.)

I'm still miffed about the whole Ozy doesn't destroy New York with a genetically engineered monster.

Screencaps (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=820384&postcount=43)
Early Mirai/Dante comment (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=819895&postcount=22)

[NonCon]

I get why BHS would be miffed, but it's such a minor detail, that they are generally staying true to the plot, mostly, is good enough for me. Why would we need to use your screencaps? We've seen the trailers. We've read the book. We recognize scenes and similarities, and we sure as hell notice the differences.

I decided I'd be optimistic about the ending change, because it is what it is, so I'll just have to appreciate it based on it's own merits.

[Mirai Gen]

And I don't understand BHS' arguments.
Honestly I don't get it either, which is why I kept at it.

SMB seriously all the touches in the movie are about as much metacommentary as Watchmen had originally, just minor reflections so that people look at it and go, oh, hey, he's Batman. And that guy looks like he's a Pharaoh! Except now replace 'Pharaoh' with 'Batman and Robin' and you've got the Watchmen movie.

Going into a berserk rage over something so relatively insignificant is pretty silly, especially when you weren't nearly as upset at the ending tweak.

Also:
Some of the other costumes were in need of an update simply to keep from being laughable in live action form.
Silk Spectre's especially.

EDIT: Hah, check out 2:14 in the trailer. That's a Goddamn Superman costume burned in effigy. Nice touch.

[Meister]

Silk Spectre's especially.
I'm not sure that's the best example here.

[BitVyper]

That's exactly the point. Snyder already said it was trying to reflect the Bat-Nipples.

See, like I said, I have no problem with changing the costume. However, in the original Watchmen, Moore was able to do the deconstruction thing while giving Ozymandias a costume that reflected his character. I saw pictures of Ozymandias before ever reading Watchmen, and my reaction was pretty much "oh, he thinks he's an emperor and/or Nietzschean Superman." Looking at his new design, I get more of an emo and/or heroin addict vibe.

A good creator can layer meaning.

[Seil]

"oh, he thinks he's an emperor and/or Nietzschean Superman."

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u59/Poetisch/ComicOzy.jpg

Looking at his new design, I get more of an emo and/or heroin addict vibe.

http://splashpage.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/watchmen4.jpg

Well, it kinda works with todays modern depictions of superheroes.

[Mirai Gen]

I'm not sure that's the best example here.

Huh?

I mean original Watchmen was underwear and a nightie. This one is spandex.

[NonCon]

The pointy nipples on her costume make me laugh. Looking at Ozy's costume, it really reminds me of Robin, a lot, but they kept the crown and mantle thing going on, even if the colors are all wrong, so I'll forgive them for the emo.

[Mirai Gen]

A thought occurs.

In the trailer, Rorschach - I swear each time I go to spell that it ends out differently - Rorschach mentions "Watchmen, one of us died tonight." Unless I'm mistaken they're taking out the whole Minute Men thing, since unless I'm mistaken Watchmen never was even mentioned in the comic.

I think I'm okay with that, too.

Trailer's also showing lots more slow-mo, IE Silk Spectre running from the explosion. Hrm.

[NonCon]

I noticed it too, and realized that most of America is dumb they wouldn't get the who watches the watchmen thing otherwise.

[Meister]

I noticed it too and it's the first thing I think would be genuinely awful.

[Masked Jedi]

It sounded to me like they edited it in to the trailer so that people wouldn't be confused. The flow of the lines where they said it sounded really awkward.

[Mirai Gen]

Damn it we need to have this movie come out so we can decide if it's going to be awful or awesome. Cause we're nitpicky bastards.

[Kaneda]

They did rename the Crimebusters Watchmen, that was confirmed. Just so people don't have to bother thinking about who "who watches the watchmen" is referring to I suppose.

[Mirai Gen]

That's part of the thing I'm a little backwards about.

Like, Crimebusters was supposed to be as silly as it sounds. Hey, let's get together and BUST CRIME! And that'll be our name! Like, Crime-Busters! Yeah! Changing it to Watchmen kind of...I dunno.

But on the other hand, Watchmen sounds more appropriate anyway. Eh I dunno, I'm going to flip-flop on this a bit.

[Khael!]

Still not as bright as his old costume, but it still seems to have a hint of purple (red-purple?) to it. The metallic bits are definitely silver-gold. Might be lighting, though the cape I'm sure isn't. http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/1243/watchmen-stills#photo5

Either way, I don't much care. Having the little eye-mask thingy seems a bit silly for 'present-day' shots, since he's gone public with his identity anyhow. Then again, if I had a hero costume, I wouldn't ditch any of it either.

Though Rorschach's voice did feel forced, I was always under the impression he talked like that on purpose to further conceal his identity. Namely because in the novel, his speech-bubbles lose their gravelly outlines once the mask is off. He's made it another part of the identity.

I miss the squidbeast. It was such an unconventional solution to total war.

[Arhra]

Ozymandias' head circlet looks like a laurel crown!

Sneaky, no?

[NonCon]

Don't you guys just hate it when things don't match the original?
http://i34.tinypic.com/2z9e16g.jpg

[Magus]

Depends on if you liked the original, I suppose.

I think what SMB might be getting at is that metacommentary on Ozymandias compared to a thousands-year-old historical figure that he took his name from may be better than metacommentary on Ozymandias compared to an extremely bad ten-year old Schumacher film that hopefully most of the average populace has forgotten about.

But the circlet on his head does look like a laurel crown, as Ahrha has also said. If it isn't Snyder's actual intent to comment on Batman and Robin it would be for the best, and I'm sure that isn't all he's getting at even if he is commenting on that movie.

EDIT: In any case, The Comedian lighting a cigar with a flamethrower (http://movies.yahoo.com/photos/movie-stills/gallery/1243/watchmen-stills#photo3), even in just an advertisment still, makes it all seem worthwhile, even with the adaptational flaws.

[Kaneda]

And now they released a 3 minute trailer from comic-con. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo05w83DZXQ&feature=related) Some new clips, cool shots, Philip Glass, the usual, enjoy.

[Meister]

That's a great example for tailoring trailers to a target group, actually. It's comic-con, so there are gonna be mainly comic buffs present; I'd break out the specifically "that one scene" moments, too. And it works! At least four times I thought to myself "ooh, they have that in the movie too, great." Excellent PR.

[Mirai Gen]

Continuing to feel better about this movie, ending alteration or no.

Is the music played during that the 'official Watchmen theme' or something?

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Depends on if you liked the original, I suppose.

I think what SMB might be getting at is that metacommentary on Ozymandias compared to a thousands-year-old historical figure that he took his name from may be better than metacommentary on Ozymandias compared to an extremely bad ten-year old Schumacher film that hopefully most of the average populace has forgotten about.

But the circlet on his head does look like a laurel crown, as Ahrha has also said. If it isn't Snyder's actual intent to comment on Batman and Robin it would be for the best, and I'm sure that isn't all he's getting at even if he is commenting on that movie.



Well that's not at all what I was getting at but that is also a valid complaint.

[Fifthfiend]

Incredibly painful as it is to say it but I think I agree with SMB on this. If you want to do a "metacommentary" on modern superhero movies you have to actually write a metacommentary on modern superhero movies that draws broadly from the tropes and themes that those works employ; you can't take a metacommentary on superhero comics from 30 years ago and change the costumes around.

Also if they really wanted to do metacommentary you know who should have played Ozymandias?

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

[Archbio]

But what kind of puns could you do with Ozymandias' theme?

"I vill ruin you!"

[Fifthfiend]

Mummy puns.

Mummy puns like what.

[BitVyper]

If you want to do a "metacommentary" on modern superhero movies you have to actually write a metacommentary on modern superhero movies that draws broadly from the tropes and themes that those works employ; you can't take a metacommentary on superhero comics from 30 years ago and change the costumes around.

I agree.

Also if they really wanted to do metacommentary you know who should have played Ozymandias?

Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And now I want to see this.

Mummy puns like what.

All I can think of are ones involving wrapping and unwrapping things... which is about the level of quality we should be shooting for.

One thing Schwarznegger would be oddly good for, is just portraying the physical perfection of Ozymandias. He always had to do that sort of thing for his Terminator roles. Bit bulky for Ozy though...

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah, if you wanted to portray Ozy faithfully you'd basically need a young Dolph Lundgren.

[BitVyper]

Yeah, if you wanted to portray Ozy faithfully you'd basically need a young Dolph Lundgren.

Huh.... work on the accent, and that would actually be more or less perfect. Good job.

[Kaneda]

All I can think of are ones involving wrapping and unwrapping things... which is about the level of quality we should be shooting for.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/736/thatsawrapue9.jpg

[Mirai Gen]

Incredibly painful as it is to say it but I think I agree with SMB on this. If you want to do a "metacommentary" on modern superhero movies you have to actually write a metacommentary on modern superhero movies that draws broadly from the tropes and themes that those works employ; you can't take a metacommentary on superhero comics from 30 years ago and change the costumes around.
I dunno, I still feel that most of the costume changes are all the changes they could make without completely screwing up the whole story. Lots of the changes are merely visual anyway, I'm very okay with the metacommentary being at a subtle level.

Yes I know Squidbilly's out, but I'm holding my faith that this'll still be good regardless of that.

EDIT: Oz Z Mandyas, wrapper extraordinaire.

[NonCon]

EDIT: Oz Z Mandyas, wrapper extraordinaire.

Yo, yo, yo, what's up wit all dis war shit? Ima drop a motherfuckin' nuke on dis hizzy and you's all no fight no more, we cool dog?

[Mirai Gen]

Why are you guys being so cryptic? I'm just trying to unravel this mystery!

[NonCon]

Rorschach, why don't you go home and cry to mummy?

[Kaneda]

IMHOtep, the costume metacommentary would only be a problem if that was the sole reason for upgrading the costumes. A major reason for the new costumes is just that they didn't feel the originals would look good on film. And if they updated the whole movie along with the costumes, odds are you just wouldn't end up with as good a movie. So it just doesn't seem like something worth complaining about.

Rorschach, why don't you go home and cry to mummy?

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8563/picture52ju3.png

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

I dunno, I still feel that most of the costume changes are all the changes they could make without completely screwing up the whole story. Lots of the changes are merely visual anyway, I'm very okay with the metacommentary being at a subtle level.



But the problem is that such changes show that the authors of these piece clearly don't understand how deconstruction works.
Moore did and it is obvious in his text that he understands the tradition and techniques involved.
Such changes demonstrate that the people behind this film do not and thus they should leave it well alone because such hamfisted changes are going to impact upon the integrity of the piece.
A structural examination is by its very nature a single message. If you just pick up out bits you want and change other bits it ruins the original text. The visual imagery of the original comic is as much a part of the examination as the text or the story and they're just shitting on it.

[MFD]

Let's recap every superhero movie EVER, hm?

"They're not using the brightly colored costumes from the comic! OUTRAGE!"

"So, we felt the old costumes wouldn't translate well as something live people wore. We decided to update the look to better fit the live action aesthetic."

"This sucks! Silk Spectre should be wearing next to nothing, Doc should be naked, and Ozymandias should dress like a pharaoh! None of this almost-pharaoh-like-leather-jumpsuit shit!"

Guys... they kept the costumes where they could. Rorschach gets no complaints because his costume doesn't look retarded on a real person. Silk Spectre still looks like a sex object, just one with more clothes on. Ozzie's costume still has a pharaoh theme. They looked at the costumes, understood what Dave Gibbons was going for, and made new costumes that still fit the proper theme.

I mean, "what did you expect? Yellow spandex?"

EDIT: Not to mention, if Moore had his druthers in the first place, Owl-Man and the Question would be stopping the Blue Beetle's plan to exile Captain Atom so Blue could attack NYC. I really don't see the costume changes as anything more important than an aesthetic change.

[Fifthfiend]

Let's recap every superhero movie EVER, hm?

"They're not using the brightly colored costumes from the comic! OUTRAGE!"

"So, we felt the old costumes wouldn't translate well as something live people wore. We decided to update the look to better fit the live action aesthetic."

"This sucks! Silk Spectre should be wearing next to nothing, Doc should be naked, and Ozymandias should dress like a pharaoh! None of this almost-pharaoh-like-leather-jumpsuit shit!"

Guys... they kept the costumes where they could. Rorschach gets no complaints because his costume doesn't look retarded on a real person. Silk Spectre still looks like a sex object, just one with more clothes on. Ozzie's costume still has a pharaoh theme. They looked at the costumes, understood what Dave Gibbons was going for, and made new costumes that still fit the proper theme.

I mean, "what did you expect? Yellow spandex?"

EDIT: Not to mention, if Moore had his druthers in the first place, Owl-Man and the Question would be stopping the Blue Beetle's plan to exile Captain Atom so Blue could attack NYC. I really don't see the costume changes as anything more important than an aesthetic change.

Yeah, nobody would ever watch a movie starring http://www.patfullerton.com/superman/pix/christopherreeve/christreevesup6.jpg a guy in brightly colored spandex.

The thing of this is that Snyder didn't say "Well the old costumes looked stupid, we can't have a guy spandex owl suit standing there next to our glowing blue-skinned dude in a speedo, that would just look silly! Forty pounds of PVC with molded muscling, that's the way to go." Which would have at least been honest. He specifically said some nonsense about deconstruction which made it overwhelmingly clear he has no actual idea of what that term means.

[Archbio]

Also, I'm not sure the original costumes were designed so they would look sleek on paper, so I don't think that objection is actually appropriate in this case.

[Fifthfiend]

Yeah I mean, kind of the idea with the Watchmen was they were kind of weird and crazy and wouldn't translate into real life and their design was meant to reflect that. At least in the particular case of the Nite Owl; Moore was pretty clearly saying something about (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9e/Niteowl.PNG)people dressing up and purporting to be Supermen and I would argue that perhaps that something got lost in (http://bardhaven.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/niteowlfull.jpg) translation.

[Premonitions]

well I think he looks like a dork in both, so in my opinon it works

[Kaneda]

The first 22 minutes of Watchmen were shown at Butt-Numb-A-Thon a few days ago. I think the parts seen were the opening credits (montage of alternative history set to "The Times They Are A-Changin"), The Comedian's death, Rorschach investigating the apartment with VO monologue, Mason and Dan hanging out, Rorschach and Dan "you quit" scene.

...if I was a little worried before I'm not at all now, squid or no
squid. This felt very much like Moore's and Gibbon's WATCHMEN with
chunks of dialogue taken directly from the book. Yes, Rorschach's
Journals are in there, full of the misanthropic loathing that we know
and love. Hollis Mason is pimping his book and Dan Dreiberg still
listens to those stories. The opening credits are marvelous,
introducing the characters and the world, effortlessly setting up the
story to the notes of Bob Dylan's "The Times Are A Changing." "It's
very scary playing a guy with a fucking sock on his head," said Haley
at the Q & A, but he needn't have worried. He embodies Rorschach
completely, and Haley admitted that the character was a hard one to
shake. Without having seen the entire film, I don't know if his
performance is awardsworthy, but from what I saw he is off to a hell
of a start.

The title sequence is an amazing montage that places numerous Watchmen characters within the context of familiar historical events and places. Like the rest of the footage, there is little to say about the scenes that kick off the narrative without significant spoilers. It can be said that they represent a full visual realization of the events portrayed in the comics. Rorschach’s internal monologue comes to life in Hayley’s rough voice over. The material featuring the Comedian is perfect. Watching Rorschach and the Night Owl interact in live action is unreal. Once again, if the entire film locks together like these sequences, Watchmen will be worth every ounce of hype that precedes it.

It will look and feel like a real movie.

That's a weird thing to say, but there are lots of people out there who, having only seen the trailers released to the public, are jumping to the conclusion that Zack Snyder has made a Watchmen filled with speed ramping and flashy money shots. From what I've seen this isn't even remotely true at all. The footage is stylish - well shot, with rich visuals and dynamic compositions - but it looked more like a modern take on a noir film than anything else. What I saw was moody, sometimes muted. Snyder allows his takes to be long, eschewing a quick cut style that many seem to think would rule the day in this film. The 22 minutes I saw didn't feel like an action film at all... Even as a champion of the film I was surprised at how subdued some of this footage was. People who think they have a handle on who Zack Snyder is as a filmmaker are in for a big surprise when they finally get a chance to see Watchmen; neither Dawn of the Dead or 300 define who this guy is.

[Mirai Gen]

More evidence injected directly into my waiting eyes that this, I hope, will be a good movie.

[Fifthfiend]

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