It's been announced! 4 New Marvel movie release dates

[Savage Thinking]

Woo! (http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=7165)

I felt this needed its own thread as it talks about other movies and I didn't want the Iron Man thread to go off topic. Anyway, for those too lazy to go to the link, the release dates are as follows:

Iron Man 2: April 30, 2010
Thor: June 4, 2010
The First Avenger: Captain America: May 6, 2011

And of course..

The Avengers: July 2011

They're soo far away but I really just can't wait.

[POS Industries]

Damn, I'd been calling the Avengers movie for 2012. I was close, anyway....

[Bells]

Im the only one who thinks that they all are going to get rushed to ride on Iron Man's success?

[Regulus Tera]

I doubt the Captain America movie is going to attract the masses of the whole globe in the way the other superhero movies have. Europe in particular I feel will be very resilient to watching it.

[POS Industries]

I think you mean "resistant", because what you said basically means that Europe won't let anyone stop them from seeing the Captain America movie.

[Regulus Tera]

Probably. Mi no espiko nou inglich.


As for Thor. Wow Thor. Now that's something I'm interested on. But what happened to the planned Magneto and Wolverine movies? Did they (hopefully) cancel them?

[POS Industries]

They're still making the hell out of the Wolverine movie. It's mostly a big giant Weapon-X thing, which is why it makes perfect sense for Gambit and Beak to be in it.

[Bells]

You know... if they cast Fabio to be Thor, i quit.

I still think it will suck... but it's just Marvel trying to get ahead of DC, trying to pull off the Avengers before the Justice League gets a real fighting chance...

[Preturbed]

You know... if they cast Fabio to be Thor, i quit.
I don't understand. Why would you think they might do that?

I read some of the replies to that article and I feel smarter now even though I lost IQ points for reading it.

[Mirai Gen]

Given the fact that Iron Man was captured in Afghanistan to represent the Iron Man background compared to modern-day conflict I wonder if they will somehow tie that into Captain America as well.

I get the feeling they're going to chose a backstory that puts it A - in the Americas and B - maybe do something a little closer to the background represented in the latest Captain America: The Chosen.

And, for the love of god, I hope they don't bring in Bucky.

[Death by Stabbing]

Well it looks like they aren't doing the Ant Man movie anymore I guess...good thing because that would have bombed big time...

And Marvel doesn't even have to try to get ahead of DC...it's just too easy. I mean DC's had what? 3 big Movies come out in the last 10 years while Marvel's completed 3 trilogies and that's not all of the movies they've churned out...

And many of DC's characters even the big ones just don't sell enough comic books...even when Marvel is seriously fucking up like it has been...Wonder Woman sales are at just about an all time low right now and if she can't move books they really can't make a movie about her...and while 52 did put some other characters in to the spotlight it's just not enough to justify giving any of them a movie. It's kind of a one sided fight. Even though Marvel just keeps shooting itself in the foot and in the case of killing off Captain America the chest...DC just can't seem to catch up...too bad...I'd love to see a few DC characters in their own movies...

DBS

[POS Industries]

Given the fact that Iron Man was captured in Afghanistan to represent the Iron Man background compared to modern-day conflict I wonder if they will somehow tie that into Captain America as well.

I get the feeling they're going to chose a backstory that puts it A - in the Americas and B - maybe do something a little closer to the background represented in the latest Captain America: The Chosen.

And, for the love of god, I hope they don't bring in Bucky.

Somehow I don't see them updating Cap's origins for the modern era, as the whole WW2 backstory is just too indicative of him. Besides, we haven't had a war since that would have really required the creation of a super soldier like that. Also, the villain has to be Red Skull, and that just wouldn't work without the whole Nazi thing, either.

As for Bucky, they'd have to pretty much scrap his whole original backstory for him to really be believable. "Army camp mascot boy catches Steve Rogers changing into his Captain America costume" just sucks. A lot. But if you had Bucky as some freshly-drafted kid who's totally in over his head sent to the front lines (which is completely believable and common for the time) who gets tied up in this superhero's adventure to stop a Nazi villain from doing something villainous and Nazi-like while slowly uncovering this secret US government super-soldier project or some crap like that, then there would be a pretty good place for an interpretation of the Bucky Barnes character.

Then at the end you have Cap put into a situation where he has to sacrifice himself to stop Skull's plan, causing him to get frozen for the next several decades, at which point he's found and revived at the start of the Avengers movie. All pretty easy, if you ask me.

[Bells]

I don't understand. Why would you think they might do that?

I read some of the replies to that article and I feel smarter now even though I lost IQ points for reading it.

well, its just my little silly way to say that casting Thor is hard, and right now, i feel that annoucing all those movies together is a sign that they might rush with it...

And while Iron Man 2 and Captain America is a shoe in for movies... Thor is not so much. I would have to say that its the movie that is going to get the least attention.

And then.. there is the Avengers Movie... and we still have all that "Multi-heroes Vs Multi-Villains in a 2:30 hour film" that is going to happen, to digest

Then, i recall X-men 2 and 3, Superman Returns, Spiderman 3, The first Hulk, Daredevil, Fantastic 4, Elektra, Punisher, Catwoman...

and it just makes me notice that sometimes when they dont give proper time and effort to a project it comes out less than ideal, regardless of background, starpower or source... which, all put together, makes me fell that until they show me a light of hope... i can belive that all those movies have pretty decent chances of Tanking hard.

Tanking Hard = Fabio as Thor

So it was the simple way of saying that :D

[Mirai Gen]

Then at the end you have Cap put into a situation where he has to sacrifice himself to stop Skull's plan, causing him to get frozen for the next several decades, at which point he's found and revived at the start of the Avengers movie. All pretty easy, if you ask me.
Actually, that'd work pretty well. Especially considering I could totally see it just like the Iron Man movie - movie cuts out after the explosion, Bucky says something heroic, credits roll...if you stay till after the credits, a shot sinks deep into the area that Cap was last seen, and you can see his head, with the big star on the front, and he's stuck in a cylinder of ice.

I am very curious to see if that's what they'll do, cause it would be great.

[Regulus Tera]

Somehow I don't see them updating Cap's origins for the modern era, as the whole WW2 backstory is just too indicative of him. Besides, we haven't had a war since that would have really required the creation of a super soldier like that. Also, the villain has to be Red Skull, and that just wouldn't work without the whole Nazi thing, either.

Captain America is unfrozen by the government to battle the neo-Nazis. He has to adapt to modern day society, dealing with the hijinks of the internet, browsing through iPods, and the intricacies of automatic doors.

Wackiness ensues.

[Mirai Gen]

Oh hell with it, and here I was going to let Seil do it.

http://www.shortpacked.com/comics/20070312cap.png

[Savage Thinking]

But if you had Bucky as some freshly-drafted kid who's totally in over his head sent to the front lines (which is completely believable and common for the time) who gets tied up in this superhero's adventure to stop a Nazi villain from doing something villainous and Nazi-like while slowly uncovering this secret US government super-soldier project or some crap like that, then there would be a pretty good place for an interpretation of the Bucky Barnes character.
With this kind of backstory (albeit very reasonable), for some reason, I totally see Shia Labeouf playing the role of Bucky..

[Solid Snake]

I'm most concerned about Captain America, personally. Everything I've heard about Thor so far sounds pretty damn impressive, and I have enough confidence in Iron Man 2 now that the first one came in and kicked serious ass. If Samuel Jackson shows up for a Nick Fury movie before The Avengers, Jackson's presence alone will ensure its success.

But Captain America walks a tight rope. For one thing, the movie will almost certainly suck if it does not take place in WW2. (And I won't be satisfied if it has like, a ten minute WW2 prologue. The vast majority of the movie itself should take place in that era.)

Furthermore, Captain America will suck if the director, on some modern anti-American binge, decides to drastically alter the entire purpose of the character so that the Cap'n spends the entire movie fighting against evil Americans because America's no longer a great country or some shit. Seriously, I can tolerate anti-Americanism with nearly any other superhero, if you want to make America into the eeevil sadistic corporate capitalist warmongering assholes in a Batman or a Superman movie go right ahead, but don't ruin Captain America with that crap. I want to see Captain America kick Nazi ass while reminding us of how awesome America and its values were (and still should be.) I'll take realistic foreign and domestic policy apprasials of American greed and imperialism in a different movie, thanks.

Finally, even if the director gets the WW2 setting and the patrotic vibe of Captain America dead on, the Cap'n can still get fucked over by: a terrible costume design, overuse of a poorly developed sidekick in Bucky, an overuse of comedy or drama (a good Captain America movie needs to get the formula just right and effectively balance the two), or a craptastically unrealistic presentation of the WW2 era. (IE, if the movie "takes place" in the "WW2 era" but that "era" in the movie includes a lot of modern references, modern jokes, and costumes and set designs that look nothing like the actual WW2 era.) Oh, and Captain America also needs to be played by a good actor who fits into the role.

A lot could go wrong with Captain America, is all I'm saying.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

You know... if they cast Fabio to be Thor, i quit.


Dolph Lundgren, that is all.
The Thor movie will be a terrible abomination but I will go see it if Dolph Lundgren plays Thor.

[Bells]

yeah but we both know that somewhere down the line somebody will say "And what about The Rock as Thor? Just needs a beard and some dye!" and some other guy will say "you know... you might have something there... GET ME THE ROCK!''

[Kerensky287]

You know who would be better for Thor than The Rock?

Jason Statham with a wig.

...And I will be perfectly happy if Captain America turns out to be Neo-Indiana-Jones as a superhero.

[Mannix]

I've heard rumors they're considering Triple H for Thor.

[Savage Thinking]

Yeah, but Matthew Vaughn (who's directing the movie) is saying fuck that and is trying to get Kevin McKidd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571727/) to play Thor.

[Mannix]

Yeah, but Matthew Vaughn (who's directing the movie) is saying fuck that and is trying to get Kevin McKidd (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571727/) to play Thor.
Unless he hits the gym big time, I don't think he's beefy enough to play a Norse god.

[Dørmatte]

I personally think Sean Bean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bean) seems perfect for the role, but as with McKidd he's probably too small. It'd suck if they picked some random pro wrestler with no acting talent, though.

[Rokrin]

You know who would be better for Thor than The Rock?

Jason Statham with a wig.

...And I will be perfectly happy if Captain America turns out to be Neo-Indiana-Jones as a superhero.

I think at some point Jason Statham will make it into the super-hero genre, but I doubt it'll be as Thor.

Deadpool, maybe?

[B_real_shadows]

Actually, Deadpool's already being played by Ryan Reynolds (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005351/) in the Wolverine movie.

EDIT: Also, I've been trying to figure out what the 3 trilogies are that Marvel's put out there in the past decade. I can only think of Spider-man and X-Men. Whats the third trilogy they've finished?

[Savage Thinking]

Jason Statham as Deadpool strikes as 'No.. Just no..', although I think they made a very reaosnable choice with Ryan Reynolds.

Also, I've been trying to figure out what the 3 trilogies are that Marvel's put out there in the past decade. I can only think of Spider-man and X-Men. Whats the third trilogy they've finished?
There were the Blade movies.

[Invisible Queen]

If you ask me, the basis of Captain America isn't unbridled patriotism but slow time travelling. Ultimates had the right idea: Suddenly waking up from World war 2 is quite a culture shock.

Meanwhile, I'm disappointed they can name the exact release date of a movie three years in the future, but not one three years and two months in the future. >_>

[Nique]

Wasn't Joss Whedon doing the Wonder Woman movie? Not to veer this into DC territory but I always thought doing any Icon would pretty much promise that the movie would do well... Despite sales becuase, let's face it, very few comics (at least as individual issues) are doing very well these days.

Also, I would like to see a remake of Spider-Man in the same vein as "The Incredible Hulk", since they basically ruined the property with the last 2 movies. Also, doing that they would easily be able to bring Spider-Man into the Marvel "Movie-Universe" they seem to be creating.

[Mannix]

Wasn't Joss Whedon doing the Wonder Woman movie?
He was working on a script but last I heard didn't have anything complete or OK'd by the studio. The major problem is that that particular comic doesn't have much in the way of a rogue's gallery.

And Triple H isn't exactly random, and he can act fairly well. I thought he did a pretty good job in the third Blade movie. I don't know as he's a Dwayne Johnson, but then H's only had 1 supporting role so far.

[bluestarultor]

I personally think Sean Bean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bean) seems perfect for the role, but as with McKidd he's probably too small. It'd suck if they picked some random pro wrestler with no acting talent, though.
All pro wrestlers have acting talent. That's half of their job. The other half is being able to perform gymnastic feats. So, really, Triple H could play Thor and do his own stunts.

[Odjn]

Furthermore, Captain America will suck if the director, on some modern anti-American binge, decides to drastically alter the entire purpose of the character so that the Cap'n spends the entire movie fighting against evil Americans because America's no longer a great country or some shit. Seriously, I can tolerate anti-Americanism with nearly any other superhero, if you want to make America into the eeevil sadistic corporate capitalist warmongering assholes in a Batman or a Superman movie go right ahead, but don't ruin Captain America with that crap. I want to see Captain America kick Nazi ass while reminding us of how awesome America and its values were (and still should be.) I'll take realistic foreign and domestic policy apprasials of American greed and imperialism in a different movie, thanks.


Have you actually read Captain America? Like, when he stopped being Cap because of the government? Or civil war? That's part of the character.

[Magus]

I'm glad they canceled Ant Man, I can't see that having any market at all. They were even making fun of him back in the olden days in that SNL Superhero party skit with how lame his power is.

So is The Avengers going to be the third Iron Man movie, then? Because all the actors involved in Iron Man talked about signing on for three movies.

[Fifthfiend]

Wasn't Joss Whedon doing the Wonder Woman movie?

He's too busy being late with his comics and turning Buffy into a lesbian.

[Solid Snake]

Have you actually read Captain America? Like, when he stopped being Cap because of the government? Or civil war? That's part of the character.

It sure as hell wasn't part of his character during the 1940's, which is the time period I'm referring to, that was Captain America in his heyday, and the Civil War plotline of this generation is unfortunately absolute crap by comparison.

Just my opinion, mind you, but I certainly have read the Civil War arc. In fact it's my personal objection to the recent developments of Captain America that led me into that lovely little rant.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

It sure as hell wasn't part of his character during the 1940's, which is the time period I'm referring to, that was Captain America in his heyday, and the Civil War plotline of this generation is unfortunately absolute crap by comparison.

Just my opinion, mind you, but I certainly have read the Civil War arc. In fact it's my personal objection to the recent developments of Captain America that led me into that lovely little rant.

Yeah but unless they going to set it in the 1940s it wouldn't make any sense. The characters of all the superheroes changed because they had to. The world is different now.
As for setting it in the 40s, do we really need another movie about world war2? Especially one starring 1940s Captain America? The character is so simplistic, the movie just wouldn't be that engaging and it wouldn't be anything that hasn't been seen before.

[POS Industries]

If it's a Captain America movie where the character is first introduced, then yes, we do need another World War 2 movie.

[Fifthfiend]

Somehow I don't see them updating Cap's origins for the modern era, as the whole WW2 backstory is just too indicative of him.

Among other things the Cap origin is one that doesn't ever need to be updated because you've got the built-in timegap that can be pretty much however long you like.

Someone like Tony Stark has to be updated periodically because if you keep Tony's origin in the Vietnam war then he's now the same goddamn age as John McCain and I promise you that no sane human being is going to go watch an entire two-hour movie staring action-hero international playboy John McCain.

But with Cap he stays right there on ice until the plot says it's time for him to wake up again.

Furthermore, Captain America will suck if the director, on some modern anti-American binge, decides to drastically alter the entire purpose of the character so that the Cap'n spends the entire movie fighting against evil Americans because America's no longer a great country or some shit. Seriously, I can tolerate anti-Americanism with nearly any other superhero, if you want to make America into the eeevil sadistic corporate capitalist warmongering assholes in a Batman or a Superman movie go right ahead, but don't ruin Captain America with that crap. I want to see Captain America kick Nazi ass while reminding us of how awesome America and its values were (and still should be.) I'll take realistic foreign and domestic policy apprasials of American greed and imperialism in a different movie, thanks.

1. Nothing like either of those has ever been in a Batman or Superman movie, nor would they ever belong there*. If someone has something to say cinematically about America then a movie called "Captain America" is pretty much where they should be saying it.

2. The most pro-America statement Cap could make would be to walk right up evil sadistic corporate warmongers fucking up our country and punch them square in the face and tell them to stop doing that. I for one can't think of a better way to sum up how awesome America's values were and should be than that.

I don't know why you're worrying though, it's a Hollywood movie which guarantees two hours of masturbatory military idolization. Everyone knows you're not allowed to point out that we're being ruled by scumbags in a big-budget Hollywood movie, or at least not any big-budget Hollywood movie whose director is counting on the military to loan him a half-dozen F-22s for his big explosion-fest of an ending sequence.

[Mirai Gen]

That reminds me - I heard lots of people call Transformers a big hour-long army-recruitment commercial. I can't wait for Captain America to come out so we can see just how bad movie-length army recruitment commercials can really be.
As for setting it in the 40s, do we really need another movie about world war2? Especially one starring 1940s Captain America? The character is so simplistic, the movie just wouldn't be that engaging and it wouldn't be anything that hasn't been seen before.
Okay, honestly?

Have you seen a red-white-and-blue clad guy with wings on his head and a big shield run around beating up Nazis in any past WW2 movies? I mean, besides the original Captain America movie. Rubber Ears-Man.

Then I don't see how it'd be anything we've ever seen before.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

Have you seen a red-white-and-blue clad guy with wings on his head and a big shield run around beating up Nazis in any past WW2 movies? I mean, besides the original Captain America movie. Rubber Ears-Man.

Then I don't see how it'd be anything we've ever seen before.

No but I have seen plenty of World War 2 movies about a single heroic, super patriotic American fighting Nazis.
I don't really see how the costume changes anything.

[Mirai Gen]

It's not just about World War II.

It's about Steve Rogers being admitted to the Super Human project, the Super Soldier Serum, learning to use his powers, finding out what it means to be a super hero, discovering the horrors and conflict of war, and probably whatever other character development they would like to stick Steve with. The movie is "Captain America," not "World War II And Some Guy in A Costume."

I mean you might as well say that Narnia is going to just be boring and the same thing as other heroic fantasy war movies. They did Lord of the Rings, what's the point of making another one?

[Mannix]

No but I have seen plenty of World War 2 movies about a single heroic, super patriotic American fighting Nazis.
I don't really see how the costume changes anything.
Any since John Wayne died? Maybe I don't watch enough movies, but I can't remember the last "war is awesome" movie that didn't include robots and/or aliens. Now that I've said that though, I'm sure somebody is going to point out something I should have remembered.

I really liked Captain America's role in Civil War, but maybe I'm the only one. I didn't really care for the character before that particular arc, but it gave me a new respect for him. I think a modern setting could work given how he acted in CW, and what Fif pointed out.

[Smarty McBarrelpants]

It's not just about World War II.

It's about Steve Rogers being admitted to the Super Human project, the Super Soldier Serum, learning to use his powers, finding out what it means to be a super hero, discovering the horrors and conflict of war, and probably whatever other character development they would like to stick Steve with. The movie is "Captain America," not "World War II And Some Guy in A Costume."

I mean you might as well say that Narnia is going to just be boring and the same thing as other heroic fantasy war movies. They did Lord of the Rings, what's the point of making another one?

But that's my point. 1940s captain America doesn't really have any depth. He kills Nazis and it is all right and correct. What you are arguing for is a representation of Captain America moer suited suited to his later comics which is the same thing I was advocating.

As Any since John Wayne died? Maybe I don't watch enough movies, but I can't remember the last "war is awesome" movie that didn't include robots and/or aliens. Now that I've said that though, I'm sure somebody is going to point out something I should have remembered.

For World War 2 movies? Try any outside the ones made by crazy French structuralists who portrayed the Nazis as heroes of World War 2. Most other world war 2 movies I've ever seen just paint the Nazis as terrible villains without many shades of grey.

[Nique]

Like Spider-Man, like Iron Man, like a lot of super heroes, Captain America's story is going to shift ever so slightly to remain relevant. That's one of the interesting things about iconic characters. They stay essentially the same, but they also change - Captain America is a patriot. In the 40s, that meant something different than it does today, and falling in line with that, we ended up with his important role in the 'Civil War' arc. Cap is no longer about following orders blindly, as he might have been interpreted in the 40s.

I think everyone brings up a lot of good points about what Captain America might be used to represent in the new movies, but none of those points have to be mutually exclusive. The comics have pretty much said that Cap. existed in a more simple time. The world was at war with a distinct and identifiable evil. Today, things are not so black & white. America government is different, American values are different and those are both valid issues that will confront any character suddenly brought back to life from the 40s to today. Both sides of the Captain America story can be told because nothing about the character changes, only his surroundings.

[Mirai Gen]

But that's my point. 1940s captain America doesn't really have any depth. He kills Nazis and it is all right and correct. What you are arguing for is a representation of Captain America moer suited suited to his later comics which is the same thing I was advocating.
I don't think that because it's based in the 1940s, we're getting 1940s movies/comic depth in the character himself. Dude's not going to be advertising for Wheaties or anything.

I don't see how you're not getting this. The character isn't defined by the origins, it's defined by how the movie interprets the origins.

[Regulus Tera]

I don't think that because it's based in the 1940s, we're getting 1940s movies/comic depth in the character himself. Dude's not going to be advertising for Wheaties or anything.

I don't see how you're not getting this. The character isn't defined by the origins, it's defined by how the movie interprets the origins.

I think that what he was trying to say is that Snake is advocating for a 40's Captain America character wise, not so much in origin. What with him representing all that's good and awesome about the US of A, giving a good image of the government, and being all patriotic and shit while saving Europe the world's arses like the motherfucking macho yet condescending police man he is.

[Mirai Gen]

Even still, I don't agree with the statement that it'd be the same movie.

Being about a superhero changes entirely too much about a movie to possibly have it be "Just Another World War 2 Movie".

[Magus]

But that's my point. 1940s captain America doesn't really have any depth. He kills Nazis and it is all right and correct. What you are arguing for is a representation of Captain America moer suited suited to his later comics which is the same thing I was advocating.

As
For World War 2 movies? Try any outside the ones made by crazy French structuralists who portrayed the Nazis as heroes of World War 2. Most other world war 2 movies I've ever seen just paint the Nazis as terrible villains without many shades of grey.

Cross of Iron with James Coburn. The main character is a "good" Nazi who's just your average run-of-the-mill soldier. The Russians are the main antagonist, besides Coburn's arrogant, backstabbing, and incompetent Prussian Aristocracy Nazi Captain. So you sort of get shades of gray in this one, while still being tasteful (i.e. any Nazi officer above regular soldier rank is still seen as pure evil, especially if they're just an officer because they're rich).

While they might go with the World War II origin of Captain America, they'll probably just have his origin story in some more modern war like they just did with Iron Man. As far as how to avoid looking pro-Conservative values or whatever, all they have to do is do Robocop, except replace Robocop with Captain America. There, you're good to go.

[Mirai Gen]

I dunno, as POS said, that would kind of rob him of the Red Skull as a nemesis.

[Regulus Tera]

They could make his origin story more recent by having him have worked on the Cold War and making Red Skull Soviet.


It would work, somehow. Or if you really want it to be contemporary, a Chinese Red Skull.

[Mirai Gen]

Somehow the Red Skull just wouldn't be Red Skull without the completely typical german-spewing Nazi propaganda we've come to know and love of him.

Even now, long after Steve's been dead.

[Mannix]

As for World War 2 movies? Try any outside the ones made by crazy French structuralists who portrayed the Nazis as heroes of World War 2. Most other world war 2 movies I've ever seen just paint the Nazis as terrible villains without many shades of grey.
Saving Private Ryan? The Thin Red Line (though that one was about Japan)? Band of Brothers? Granted they're all from the American perspective, but that doesn't mean they're about Super Patriots killing Nazi Cartoons.