The "Avatar: The Last Airbender Book 3" thread partie deux!!!!

[Regulus Tera]

Using my forumbending abilities, I bring unto you the revival of this thread!!

Will Sokka command the world's armies against the Fire Nation during the day of the Black Sun? Will Toph and Katara continue to teach Aang in the ways of earth and water? Will Aang grow his hair back?! Sadly, probably not...

Discussionbending ahoy!!!!!

RM: Did the Avatar pre-date other bending, or did bending predate the Avatar?

BK: We've definitely talked about that. But, in the event we ever did something with that, we'd rather not go into that. Mike and I for years have talked about that...over many a ping-pong game. We both find it really interesting, so we really don't want to just throw away something so integral to a story we might be telling.

[Aerozord]

Kinda makes me wonder if bending is like magic in Ph D. The Avatar was the first bender, and all the other benders are just his/her watered down blood-line

[ArlanKels]

The first known earthbenders were the badgermoles, and it is believed that dragons were the first firebenders, and that all forms of bending derive from the animals(for Humans).


As for how the Avatar fits into it, it's unknown..

[Aerozord]

The first known earthbenders were the badgermoles, and it is believed that dragons were the first firebenders, and that all forms of bending derive from the animals(for Humans).


As for how the Avatar fits into it, it's unknown..
k, but where are you getting this information from? Its rather common knowledge there are alot of fan based theories circling around as fact. The creators have seemed to imply that even they are unsure as to how bending started and functions

[ArlanKels]

Cave of Two Lovers is a good source of the birth of Earthbending.

[Regulus Tera]

The first known earthbenders were the badgermoles, and it is believed that dragons were the first firebenders, and that all forms of bending derive from the animals(for Humans).


As for how the Avatar fits into it, it's unknown..


I've always thought firebenders learned their abilities from watching the sun doing, I don't know, burning the fields and stuff like that, just as the waterbenders learned theirs from watching the moon and the ocean. It would fit them both being opposite elements, while Earth and Air are obviously influenced by animals (badgermoles and flying bisons).

[ArlanKels]

Maybe. To be honest there's only one dragon seen so far in the series, and it's a spirit so it'd probably be hard for anyone to learn anything from that :P

[PCD]

Also, as mentioned in the Season 1 finale, Waterbending was learned from watching how the moon affected the ocean's tides.

[Aerozord]

you know, each book ends with an attack of that nations major city. Book one was the attack on the North Pole, book two was the attack on Ba Sing Sai, no doubt book three will end with the attack on the fire nations capital.

But on a different topic. Anyone else notice they reffer to where the live as Earth. To cite, the end of "the city of walls and secrets."

[ArlanKels]

There was one scientific discussion that once dealt with how everyone would consider where they live "earth" in their native tongue, that Terra/Earth are subsequently the same thing to everyone, a home planet, and thus "Earth" merely means "The planet of original existence".

I found it interesting personally.

>.>

By the way, is it just me or was Katara a darn sexy painted lady?

[Aerozord]

By the way, is it just me or was Katara a darn sexy painted lady?
yes and no. To be more exact Katara is sexy period

[Mesden]

She's also 14, you weirdos. =X

[IHateMakingNames]

Eh, in animation, 14-20 is basically interchangeable.

Also everyone has that inner (Or outer) pedo-ness.

Finally, Azula won the sexy contest with her hair down bed gown look in The Awakening.

[ArlanKels]

I don't care much for the Mary Sue. Gotta have personality beyond "I'm perfect and EVIL. Perfectly EVIL. Fear me."


Even the Fire Lord has more personality and depth to his character. Azula is probably the most straight forward and bland character in the entire series...

"MY CABBAGES!"


(On a side note, Katara is appearantly of marrying age as seeing the betrothal necklace made the old lady go "Hey who's marrying you", not "But you're too young to marry")

[Lumenskir]

Setting aside pedophilial fascinations with animated characters for a few seconds (if you can manage), the topic of elemental bendings origins is something I've always found something fun to ponder on during downtime. On the one hand, how can you 'copy' the tidal techniques of the moon or the movements of a six-legged air bison unless you're merely learning to tap into a shared spiritual power? But if that's true, and benders are merely tapping into a shared spiritual energy, what's stopping a whole host of multi-element benders from running around, or is that what Pathik was hinting at with his "Everything is one" speech last season? Fun concept to ponder, irregardless of it ever gets directly addressed (I'm sure the show's target 11-15 year old demographic doesn't care too much).

Pondering aside, I don't like that these first episodes are so Adventure Town-riffic, but I'm hoping it'll be like last season and kick into continuity-overdrive soonish. With the DoBS episode coming soon I'm hoping the Gaang get more involved in, ya know, taking down the Fire Nation.

This episode was fine and all, but it still felt a lot like Season 1 fare, just a mostly forgettable one-off ordeal. While I'm happy that the next episode's Sokka-ness will, hopefully, silence most of the "Sokka is soooo weak!" whining, I'm really looking forward to the shift to plot-moving shows.

[IHateMakingNames]

Setting aside pedophilial fascinations with animated characters for a few seconds (if you can manage),
Impossible.

Especially with the fifth episode being about Zuko and the girls going to a beach.


But, I would think that those bending origin stories are probably more like beliefs than history.

[Aerozord]

Eh, in animation, 14-20 is basically interchangeable.

Also everyone has that inner (Or outer) pedo-ness.

Finally, Azula won the sexy contest with her hair down bed gown look in The Awakening.
well she certainly does look better o-natural, but since thats not her 'normal' I dont factor it. And its not pedophilia to recognize a person is attractive.

As for her being Mary Sue, well I'm used to anime. Long as she doesn't grow two feet and get breasts the size of watermelons I wont complain about depth. And with characters as deep as these one or two shallow ones isn't a big deal. Plus I think there is some depth to her, not so much in she herself, but in her relationship to others.

[Mesden]

Saying a 14 year old girl is "Sexy period" totally is. =P

But I concede to IHMN's age interchangeability-in-anime theory.

[Regulus Tera]

Impossible.

Especially with the fifth episode being about Zuko and the girls going to a beach.

http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/013/100.jpg

[ArlanKels]

Toph learned from the blind badgermoles(alledgedly) to develop her own style of bending, so the origin stories could quite possibly be 100% fact in the Avatar world.

The Avatar is able to bend all elements because it comprehends on a spiritually aware level that all the elements are the same, that they're simply seperated by the people.

Take Iroh, for example, who is somewhat spiritually advanced. He combined the waterbenders style of bending with firebending lightning techniques in order to develop the lightning redirection technique.

Properly aware, anyone could bend anything.

[Lumenskir]

Toph didn't learn to bend from the badgermoles/Please provide proof that Toph learned from a badgermole teacher, who may or may not have worn shades and was called Mr. Digsby. Also, it might help if you don't go parading your personal theories as facts.

Also, the crones in bathing suits means they have sufficiently harmed the world enough to warrant a tag team beatdown by Iroh and Bumi.

[ArlanKels]

According to creator commentary, Toph came to develop her unique style by observing the movements of the similarly blind earthbending Badgermoles that can be found around her hometown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toph


That's where I got the Badgermole thing.

The "Avatar understands that all things are the same at a spiritually subconcious level and thus can bend it all" derives from what the Guru informs Aang, letting him know about the illusions that cloud the mind, and et cetera. It is the only logical conclusion that I can come up with as toward why he can bend it all and others can not, and also why I believe anyone could bend anything if comprehensible enough of how the world works.

Pickles yo.


(Why do you want old guys beating up old ladies?)

[Aerozord]

Wiki is a great informational source. But the site itself even says it should not be used as a referance source. Since a member could easily go on there and say Aang became the Avatar because he ate lots of pickles

[Intern Nin]

Properly aware, anyone could bend anything.
No, I don't think so. The Air Nomads were all really spiritually aware, which was why everyone in the Air Nation could Airbend. If what you said was true, then extra Spiritually Aware people like Gyatso could have bended more than one element. But he didn't as far as anybody knows.

[Mesden]

Because he didn't try to and had no idea how to? Normally bending takes a lot of skill and innate talent in what you're doing, but moreso in training. Not even an Avatar can bend without instruction first, and the Avatar by definition is beyond innately talented. How many water, earth, or fire benders do you think went up to the air nomad territory and went around asking, "So, I'm gonna try to teach one of you spiritually aware people how to water bend even though no one thinks it's possible!"

It's a plausible theory.

[Intern Nin]

It's plausible if the Air Nomads never traveled outside of their country and never tried to do new things. Which is the exact opposite of Air Nomad philosophy.

[Mesden]

Try new things? Like "Hey guys I'm gonna try water bending!"? Because if so, then I don't see how it's some contradiction to philosophy. They're Air Nomads. The whole point is that they're the air guys. I doubt anyone's given this a lot of thought, short of, oh, Iroh!

Because Iroh is awesome like that.

[Intern Nin]

Because I'm sure in the entire history of the Avatar world no one has ever tried to bend other elements besides their native element. And Iroh isn't waterbending, is he? He just incorperated a waterbending movement into his own style. Though I can't disagree with the fact that Iroh is awesome like that.

[ArlanKels]

The people in the Avatar reality are taught from birth that you can only bend one element, unless if you're the Avatar.

Thus people have a subconcious block against being able to bend anything else. This also is one of the reasons, according to some theorists, that metalbending is so rare.

He is not waterbending, he just began to create a bridge between the fire and water styles. This is the furthest we've seen any bender go in using more than one element, aside from Aang of course.

[Intern Nin]

Found a clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr42F3B-akM) from Sokka's Master. Sokka seeks lessons on how to be a better fighter from a sword master who lives in a secluded mansion with his butler. Does this seem oddly familiar to anyone else?

[ArlanKels]

The secluded master with a butler part, or what?

(Please help me, i'm stupid ;.; )

[Intern Nin]

Just pointing out the similarities between the master guy and Batman. Yeah I know, I'm crazy.

[ArlanKels]

Hey now, if he whips out a boomerang then I'm all for saying he's Batman's version of the Avatar world.

[Intern Nin]

You mean, "He's the Avatar world's version of Batman". Who knows, maybe DC's Earth-28 is Avatar World.

[Aerozord]

I hated that clip! Now I can't stand to wait till friday. I had better debate to take my mind off it

Ok if I recall the creators did say that you can bend one element. They said its based on a spiritual connection your born with to your element. So I got to thinking, and I will use air nomads as an example. I dont think its that people that live like the airbenders, where the air benders live, become benders. But that those that can air bend would choose to live there like that.

Turn it around. A person with a strong spiritual connection to the air. Would he choose to live in great walled city where culture and structure is favored, or would he choose to live in the windy mountains in a society that believes in a simple free detatched way of life.

My theory is all the nations, those people choose to live there and live like that, because of their connection to their respective element.

[ArlanKels]

Yar, and the Guru said that "all the nations are one", and even Aang comprehends this...that people are just seperating the nations in their own minds.

[Aerozord]

Did it occur to you they meant "are one" as in they are all human beings.

[ArlanKels]

That they're all people, yes, that no group is superior to the other spiritually(?).

But it makes you wonder if someone is raised in both the home of an airbender and the home of a waterbender what would occur...

[Lumenskir]

But it makes you wonder if someone is raised in both the home of an airbender and the home of a waterbender what would occur...
Bending, as has been proven in the show, is an innate talent. Some people can, and a majority can't. The fact that only one of the identical twins in The Fortuneteller was able to earthbend suggests that the ability to 'get' bending is beyond a frame of mind, because both twins were (presumably) raised in identical environments and subjected to the same stimuli.

If someone spent time immersed in multiple bender environments...they'd be the Gaang. Katara, Sokka, and Toph have all experienced and been immersed in lifestyles outside of their original home location (Toph a bit less), but they haven't adapted the ability to bend new elements they couldn't before due to their new viewpoints.

Now that I think of it, have we ever really gotten an episode where someone discovered their ability to bend? If I'm remembering right, we always tend to see benders who are already comfortable with their gift (even as young as Flashback Azula and Zuko and the aforementioned Earth Kingdom twin). In the case of the non-bending twin, he seemed resigned to the fact that he would never earthbend despite what the future had in store, implying that beyond a certain age cutoff you'll know for life if you can or can't bend. I'd be interested in seeing what the "Oh!" moment is like for someone...or maybe the event happens so early in infancy it's an "Oh!" for their parents?

[PCD]

I've wondered for quite some time what happens with inter-nation children. Would the child be able to bend both elements? Would the conflict of spirits result in an inability to bend? Or maybe they'd just get one--perhaps random, or perhaps it's predetermined whether they get the father or mother's element? I dunno, just speculation, since you guys are better at theories than me.

[Lumenskir]

I've wondered for quite some time what happens with inter-nation children. Would the child be able to bend both elements? Would the conflict of spirits result in an inability to bend? Or maybe they'd just get one--perhaps random, or perhaps it's predetermined whether they get the father or mother's element? I dunno, just speculation, since you guys are better at theories than me.
Heh, being 'better' at theories is pretty much akin to having your gun sound louder when you shoot in the dark.

On bi-nation children, I don't really know, as we haven't seen much instance of bleeding out, beyond the crushes and such shown so far. However, using the workhorse example of the Earth Kingdom twins, biology doesn't seem to be the most important factor. If such a child were to be born (like, say, in the "19 years later" episode of the show), and it was gifted with a bending 'spark', I think it would probably inherit the ability of the more spiritually gifted parent.

[ArlanKels]

Whereas my theory is that, given that they'd be taught from birth that you can bend only one element, whichever parent was the dominant one would subsequently be the one whose element manifested most readily. Most likely the mother, as children are often attached to mothers more so than fathers due to nursing and et cetera(I believe).

Hey Lume, are inter-nation relationships discouraged in Avatar? I can't remember if that ever pops up in the show.

[Lumenskir]

I don't think they're discouraged by law as much as they're discouraged by proximity. The Earth Kingdom covers a fair bit of land but the other two nations are a ways away from the prime hookup zone, what with the Water Tribes hanging out at their respective poles and the Fire Nation base none-too-inviting. I suppose the Fire Colonies could have, at one point before the war, been a source of international poontang meeting, but now they're probably in lockdown/warding off people like Jet with a "Everything that flies a Fire flag is enemy" total war mindset.

Of course, pre-war we had the roaming Air Nomads, so it's conceivable that there might be some 100-year-diluted Air blood flowing around (which I think is how people got the theory that Tai Lee, with her round face and ultra-agileness, was a possible Air descendant).

[ArlanKels]

According to the TCG there was at least one airbender who wasn't slaughtered during the 100 year ago incident.

Of course, it's unknown if she's still even alive...and I doubt she's going to show up in the cartoon series seeing as she's supposed to be off in the Earth Kingdom(Whereas the show is now progressing in the Fire Kingdom with like...one and a half month to go?).

[Intern Nin]

Actually, the creators of Avatar didn't have any hand in creating the card game, so all the characters created for the CG don't exist in the show. The creators even said so themselves.

[ArlanKels]

Alrighty. Thanks Intern, that one was bugging me.

I bought the Season 1 and 2 dvd's via amazon, and once I get them I'm going to sit around listening to creator commentary and staring at my 'puter screen for hours at end.

[Aerozord]

I loved todays episode. It is now my favorite episode and if anyone knows of a place to download it please link me.

Plot development, plot foreshadowing, awesome fight scene at the end, and the most Sokka episode we've ever seen.

One thing I dont get is why he suggested using the alias Lee. Since Zuko used it in the earth kingdom I assumed it was a name from there, and rather un-fire nation

[IHateMakingNames]

Bah, I missed it.

Just like last time.

Hope I get the youtube version of it after some one posts it and before it gets deleted.

[Intern Nin]

One thing I dont get is why he suggested using the alias Lee. Since Zuko used it in the earth kingdom I assumed it was a name from there, and rather un-fire nation
Like the guy said, there are a million Lees.

But my god, was this episode amazing or what? The training, the fighting, the gang's lives without Sokka, and ,JESUS H. CHRIST!, Iroh is going to kick so much ass when he get's out! Not to mention Aang's fan-fiction-diculous armor and the Raphael-esque sai toothpick. The only thing that can top this episode is probably the next one. Arggh, I can't wait!

[Aerozord]

Oh man how could I forget that armor. I think it was some mental block thing, my mind has trouble comprihending that much funny and awesome into a single picture. And as inplausible as it is, I really want to see that cosplayed before I die.

Another side question, where did Iroh get that pillow? I'm starting to wonder if he has had that for awhile.

[IHateMakingNames]

After realizing that I had infact seen the episode when it aired, and not through some sort of illegal medium, I now have comments. Also just going to spoiler it all because then I don't have to worry about spoilers.


First, Arlan (Or Wiki) was right about Toph's teacher, that they were Badgermoles. Some one denied it so pointing it out.

Also, that was a lot of activities and training for one day.

Sokka didn't actually seem to learn anything though. Besides that he started by losing to the butler then won, it was only a day where he shows how clever he is to the swordmaster, then leaves after approval.

I originally disliked that he knew Sokka was Water Tribe and didn't care, because I knew that would happen, just like it did the last two episodes (Slightly different in Headband but same idea). Though the fact that he was a White Lotus member at least explains why he doesn't care.

Which leads to a big ol' speculation point, Sokka becoming a member of the White Lotus (Which is what I assume being given the White Lotus piece means).

Edit - And even more speculation. Clearly Iroh's whole thing, though now he has a greater connection to Sokka.

Also, Toph has Space Earth. Which I assume will be like Spirit Pool Water, and be important later (Or maybe just a really good weapon, which is also important).

Edit 2 - I was also hoping for the swordmaster to end up fighting at least one of the benders and hold his ground, to prove that non-benders can also be great warriors. The closest have only been Ty Lee and Mai, but after their initial appearance they haven't been shown much as everyone else keeps improving.

[Regulus Tera]

Now, wasn't that fucking great? Because I think it was fucking great. It also leads me to reaffirm my theory that Iroh will teach Aang firebending, with Sokka being possibly a member of the White Lotus society, so they may cross paths in a meeting.

The armour is so obviously a reference to RPGs and those ah-nee-mayhz I hear about all the time.

Edit

Theory about the piece of "space earth": Toph is going to destroy Sozin's Comet by learning how to easily bend that shit. It all depends on whether the comet is made of ice or rock.

[CelesJessa]

I loved todays episode. It is now my favorite episode and if anyone knows of a place to download it please link me.

Plot development, plot foreshadowing, awesome fight scene at the end, and the most Sokka episode we've ever seen.

I agree. My favorite episode ever. Sokka wins the awesome character award. And his sword is kickass!

I liked that his master wasn't a big jerk like Master Pakku was.

And Iroh is going to kick some major ass when he gets out. The only question is: Who's ass is he going to kick first?

One thing I dont get is why he suggested using the alias Lee. Since Zuko used it in the earth kingdom I assumed it was a name from there, and rather un-fire nation

Maybe Lee is an all around name that works no matter what nation you're from. Or maybe Zuko is a moron who can't think of a good earth-nation name and chose a common fire-nation name.


Also, next episode looks goofy, at least the beach part. Zuko and the girls are getting weird. Zuko is very quickly losing his "cool" status.
Also, I don't care what anyone else says, Zuko and Mai together is quite possible the freakiest thing in the world. "I don't hate you..." "I don't hate you either....".

[Truce]

After all the drama of Zuko's story in the last season (and, well, in general), a beach episode might not be so bad.

Who knows? Maybe it'll turn serious after all, and Zuko will find some beach volleyball combat master there, becoming the Wakka of Avatar?

...I hope I'm wrong.

[ArlanKels]

Is it just me or...

Am I the only person who wonders why Iroh doesn't just firebend through the bars/floor? He's one of the greatest firebenders ever...and if he can't at least firebend he can always smack the floor to hell with a lightning bolt.

Now, it's roughly been about 2-3 weeks since the capture of Iroh, which means that he's been undergoing his routine most likely the entire time.
And...well, I wonder if he's been buff since before his capture and people just didn't see it since he always hid it behind his clothing?


Space Earth allowing access to destroying Sozin's Comet? I love that theory Regulus, and it could also allow for the season to extend beyond the one or two month limit it currently has in terms of timeline. Plus it'd be hilarious to see the Firelord buff up and Aang to go "HIS POWER LEVEL IS OVER 9,000!!!!" and then blam, the comet is thrown away by Toph who all the while is giggling that evil giggle of hers.
Plus Toph <3 Sokka. If only Sokka didn't have two thousand girls hounding after him already.

Lastly: Sokka demonstrated his massive intellect and ability to learn in this episode, whether people realized it or not. That's why it took only one episode for him to comprehend the basics and go from being overwhelmed by the butler to being able to defeat him. That is probably what the swordmaster noticed most.


I'm sorry but I loved the preview for the next episode, if only because of Azula. That was one of the few moments I liked her character.

Best thing about this episode though?

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9780/irohfi3.gif


An interesting fact:
There has been A white Lotus society in real life. It has two times previously been the key organization to rebellions in china, including one time when a young boy of exceptional intelligence led a rebel army...

[Fifthfiend]

On the multi-bending thing - they've said that sandbenders mix air and earthbending, so at least some degree of hybridization is possible.

Anyway I just want to say I'm glad they got my letters (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=509549&postcount=56). It's like that whole episode was a Christmas present to me.

[IHateMakingNames]

Am I the only person who wonders why Iroh doesn't just firebend through the bars/floor? He's one of the greatest firebenders ever...and if he can't at least firebend he can always smack the floor to hell with a lightning bolt.
He's waiting for the best time. Like Bumi.

Now, it's roughly been about 2-3 weeks since the capture of Iroh, which means that he's been undergoing his routine most likely the entire time.
And...well, I wonder if he's been buff since before his capture and people just didn't see it since he always hid it behind his clothing?
I like to assume that just like Sokka, that all happened in one day.

Though that is wrong, and most likely he's been fat and got ripped in prison.

Plus Toph <3 Sokka. If only Sokka didn't have two thousand girls hounding after him already.
More shipping fodder.

I'm sorry but I loved the preview for the next episode, if only because of Azula. That was one of the few moments I liked her character.
Bah, I missed that too.

On the multi-bending thing - they've said that sandbenders mix air and earthbending, so at least some degree of hybridization is possible.
They said it resembles Airbending more than it does Earthbending. But it's still earthbending.


Edit - Also, if you don't, go read the Episode information from the Nick website. I didn't even know Piandao's name (The master) until looking at the site, as well as his interesting history.

You should do this for every episode as well.


Edit 2 - Also, The group does all that work to save a Fire Nation town from fire, but couldn't the Firebending population of said town just use Firebending?

[Fifthfiend]

Edit 2 - Also, The group does all that work to save a Fire Nation town from fire, but couldn't the Firebending population of said town just use Firebending?

It was a tiny village, there's no guarantee they had any firebenders handy.

[ArlanKels]

Not to mention that the damage to the environment could've been quite bad, and there's no certainity a firebender could handle that much fire alone rapidly enough to avoid damage to the town/village/locale.

I really hope Iroh beats up the prison guard. Vengeance Iroh, VENGEANCE FOR DROPPING OF THE FOOD!

It'll probably happen some time when the guy gets tea and spills it out on the floor. Iroh loves his tea.

[Lumenskir]

First off, I just wanna formally retract any apprehension I had at Arlan's proclamation of Toph's badgermole training. Hopefully we get to see a flashback of Sifu Digby's rigorous training rituals.

Anyways, I took astronomy a few semesters ago, but aren't meteorites/Space Earth just undiluted ore? I don't normally like trying to apply real world science to a family show where people can kick fire from their heels, but I don't really see the connection of Spirit Water to good iron.

[Aerozord]

Plus Toph <3 Sokka. If only Sokka didn't have two thousand girls hounding after him already.


well thats nothing new, its just more overt now.

Also, "if its from space, its not really earth"

Training time did bug me abit though. Not so much that he did it all in a day, but that the montage seemed to show a much greater progression of time.

[ArlanKels]

Yeah, I expected a week or so to pass over the course of the training...and then it's all "In one day"


Whaaa?


Anyways, I took astronomy a few semesters ago, but aren't meteorites/Space Earth just undiluted ore? I don't normally like trying to apply real world science to a family show where people can kick fire from their heels, but I don't really see the connection of Spirit Water to good iron.


That's why that one persons theory previously posted in this thread makes so much sense. It'll be entertaining to see it happen...yeessss.

[Lumenskir]

That's why that one persons theory previously posted in this thread makes so much sense. It'll be entertaining to see it happen...yeessss.
Not exactly, at least if the creators have the basic difference between comets and meteor(ites) in mind. I was trying to say that the 'Space Earth' they have now shouldn't be on the same ethereal level as the Spirit Water, however, even if it does have special properties, Toph shouldn't be able to do shit against a Comet.

Basically, meteors are just rocks from space, so it would make sense for Toph to be able to bend it. However, comets are balls of ice and dust, so there's nothing there for Toph to bend away. I get that the showrunners are using the common view of a great burning ball from space as the basis for boosting the firebender's power, but I'm assuming they're at least going to keep the base composition differences in mind.

[ArlanKels]

Dust you say?
Dust like what...SANDBENDERS BEND?

Doom doom doom

[Aerozord]

Just pointing this out. When toph bended the space metal, she was able to manipulate it to a very perceice degree. Argueably even further then what a water bender can

[Lumenskir]

I don't know if she can bend the rock more precisely, because waterbenders bend, well, water, which is fluid enough already that I'm having trouble fathoming a level of change and contortion beyond liquid (excepting, on the basest molecular level, air and other gases). I also fail to see how she couldn't accomplish the same tricks with mud or loose dirt.

The best "Space Earth" theory I've read is that the whole conversation was a playful jab at people who look too deep into the physical mechanics of the Avatar universe, with Katara being the fan who tries to make practical sense of the fantastical and Sokka being the showrunners whose best advice is to just accept it, as is.

[Aerozord]

well to Sokka bending is just magical water/earth/air/fire vodoo. As scientificly minded as he is bending is just bending to him.

Though it was great when he was trying to de-bunk the fortuneteller. Gotta love how confidently they deny logic

[Fifthfiend]

the 'Space Earth' they have now shouldn't be on the same ethereal level as the Spirit Water, however

It seems like by that reasoning, Spirit Water shouldn't have the same ethereal level as Spirit Water. I mean if Space Rock is just really good iron, there's no reason why Spirit Water shouldn't be just really well-purified water. But it's really pure water from the north pole that magic fish-gods swim in so bam, it's magic. Similarly, Space Rock is really good iron that shoots in giant chunks out of Heaven, so maybe it's magic too.

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