Comics Characters You Just Can't Stand

[Fifthfiend]

Because I feel like hating things.

Not so much the ones you hate for, like, a particular reason, like how I hate Superboy Prime because he killed Superboy. More the ones you hate because you just find them inherently objectionable, like how I hate Superboy Prime because he was a huge douche. The guys who just for whatever reason really push your buttons.

Okay I'll start.

Deathstroke

I mean he's supposed to be DC's uber-badass Super Soldier arch-assassin... who made his rep beating up teenagers. I mean come on, this is like if I went to the local kindergarten, and started kicking five-year-olds in the gibbets, and everyone oohed and aahed over the brilliant tactical masterplanning I employed by leaning really far over right up in one of their faces and going "Boo!"

And for an assassin, honestly - who the fuck's he ever assasinated? I mean, has he even killed a Robin? Anybody who's anybody has killed a Robin.

Batman

But really only the "I'm the God-damn Batman!" Batman.

The Punisher

Like if you took all the Batman out of the "I'm the God-damn Batman!" so all you had left was the "I'm the God-damn!"

Any Comics Character Written by Mark Millar, after Mark Millar Stops Writing Them

Because everything he writes just exudes this gleaming golden sheen of "Goddamn we are magnificent bastards" and after he moves on that light just sort of goes out forever.

I'm looking at you, The Authority.

Supergirl

Pretty much every version, honestly.

Okay the animated series one, with the miniskirt. That was hot.

All the rest of 'em can go right to hell.

(Yes, Powergirl too.)



... Everybody, twist!

[Mesden]

Fuckin' Giant Man.

Seriously, he's like every non literal term and usage of the word "Douche" multiplied by how much taller he can make himself.

[Fifthfiend]

Fuckin' Giant Man.

Seriously, he's like every non literal term and usage of the word "Douche" multiplied by how much taller he can make himself.

And he can't even just be Giant Man, either. It's all oh this week I'm Ant Man, this week I'm the Hornet, this week I'm Captain Kung-Fu, it's like what the fuck dude, pick something and stick with it.

[Mesden]

And he can't even just be Giant Man, either. It's all oh this week I'm Ant Man, this week I'm the Hornet, this week I'm Captain Kung-Fu, it's like what the fuck dude, pick something and stick with it.

Ex-fucking-actly!

Oh yeah, and The Hulk.

Because, well honestly, just fuck The Hulk. I'm just really tired of the damn Hulk.

[Fifthfiend]

Ex-fucking-actly!

Oh yeah, and The Hulk.

Because, well honestly, just fuck The Hulk. I'm just really tired of the damn Hulk.

You know what I love about the Hulk? Is how he can solve every problem by, well, being the Hulk.

Like someone could be like "That villain has created a black hole that will swallow up the city! What ever shall we do!"

And the Hulk would be like, "Black Holes make Hulk Angry!" and go up and, like, punch the hell out of the black hole. And he'd just go on punching it, until he had punched the black hole into not destroying the city.

Or like some villain could shatter all the laws of reality and causality and destroy space-time itself, so that the Hulk has just completely faded out of existence. And then the Hulk would be like "Fading out of existence makes Hulk ANGRY!" And then punch his way back into existence, and then punch the laws of reality and causality and space-time back into being whole and complete and properly ordered again.

I sort of imagine that what I like about the Hulk, is exactly what people hate about the Hulk.

[Mesden]

You know what I love about the Hulk? Is how he can solve every problem by, well, being the Hulk.

Like someone could be like "That villain has created a black hole that will swallow up the city! What ever shall we do!"

And the Hulk would be like, "Black Holes make Hulk Angry!" and go up and, like, punch the hell out of the black hole. And he'd just go on punching it, until he had punched the black hole into not destroying the city.

Or like some villain could shatter all the laws of reality and causality and destroy space-time itself, so that the Hulk has just completely faded out of existence. And then the Hulk would be like "Fading out of existence makes Hulk ANGRY!" And then punch his way back into existence, and then punch the laws of reality and causality and space-time back into being whole and complete and properly ordered again.

I sort of imagine that what I like about the Hulk, is exactly what people hate about the Hulk.

Not at all. That's actually the better part. I'm just REALLY REALLY tired of just about every storyline he plays into and juts how much stupid shit goes on.

"Hey! Let's make a grey hulk!" "Dude! Let's make him green again!" "OH! OH! Let's make a She-Hulk!" "LEMME TRY! Let's, like, take the gamma ray thing, and totally fuck it up so that he's ACTUALLY a failed attempt at Captain America's serum which obviously parallels how his shield's recreating made something as awesome as adamantium!" "HEY! LET'S MAKE HIM A BOUNCER FOR A BAR!" "OH! He should totally be an Avenger!" "Idea! Let's fuck up his character even more with something inexplicable!"

I love the regular, green Hulk. But christ they bastaradize the character as SIMPLE as The Goddamn Hulk so much I just feel like saying: "Fuck the Hulk!"

[Solid Snake]

Ahh, you guys are talking about DC and Marvel comic strips, not webcomics.

You see, I'm one of the strange ones who actually reads (and thus knows more about) far more webcomics than "real" comic strips. The generic superhero concepts bore me; webcomics are where the originality's at.

That being said, I was going to rant about Dominic Deegan (the character, not the comic series, which actually has a surprisingly strong supporting cast.) But my comments would be rather out of place here.

[Mesden]

Ahh, you guys are talking about DC and Marvel comic strips, not webcomics.

You see, I'm one of the strange ones who actually reads (and thus knows more about) far more webcomics than "real" comic strips. The generic superhero concepts bore me; webcomics are where the originality's at.

That being said, I was going to rant about Dominic Deegan (the character, not the comic series, which actually has a surprisingly strong supporting cast.) But my comments would be rather out of place here.

No, seriously, shoot for it. Hell, I love the DD story. I'd like to see someone point out some main character flaws that'd show me a new perspective on the strip, possibly making me appreciate the supporting cast more.

Or, you know, you could totally just say, "Well, it's out of place, so I'm totally not gonna say it."

Which, come on, you're not fooling anyone here, man. =P

[Fifthfiend]

Hey, I mean, don't stop on my account.

I mean if anybody's got a burning need to explain why, I don't know, Torg from Sluggy Freelance is an obnoxious shitfucker, I'm not gonna be the guy to tell 'em no.

You see, I'm one of the strange ones who actually reads (and thus knows more about) far more webcomics than "real" comic strips.

What're you, kidding me? The audience for webcomics is probably like a hundred times the audience for "real" comics. Unless it's like goddamn Manga or whatever, nobody reads comics anymore.

[Ivellios]

It's almost blasphemy to say this, but I can't stand robin. Never could. It was just to wierd, having to look at this preteen kid with no pants saying crap like "Holy rusted metal batman!"
I smile to myself every time a robin gets killed off. But then another just comes to take his freaking place.

[Solid Snake]

All right, then.

I love Dominic Deegan the webcomic. For the most part I find the writing to be surprisingly vivid quality, the jokes (aside from the verbal puns, which have gotten a bit stale) are generally delectable, and the supporting cast includes a lot of really well-developed and intriguing characters. I'm a huge fan of every member of the Deegan family with the vital exception of Dominic.

There are quite a few things that irritate me about Dominic Deegan the character; the first is the same thing I loathe about, coincidentally, Harry Potter the character; we share a physical resemblence. Most of my friends who read Dominic Deegan (and I do have more than a few) are quick to tell me that I look (and dress) more than just a tad like Dominic, which was similar to the kind of reaction my friends have poured upon me for "looking like Harry Potter." Oddly enough, I don't understand how anyone could think that Dominic and Harry share much of a resemblence, I don't know, maybe I'm just stuck somewhere halfway between them.

But it irritates me to no f-ing end to be compared to a character, espesically when they make it sound as if I'm copying the character's mannerisms or appearance or clothing style, when in fact if anything the opposite would be true.

I also dislike Dominic's entire occupation and his "gifts" as a seer, which are continually used by the author as a cop-out or a Deus Ex Machina. Need the dynamics of any given predicament to change in a heartbeat? Dominic's here and he can read the future! But oh wait, Dominic only selectively reads the future, so sometimes he's as powerful as a Demigod and other times he's absolutely powerless as shit. This becomes annoying to me because more often than not I find myself accusing Dominic of being more a tool utilized to advance the author's desired plot, as opposed to an actual independent character with a semblence of free will.

Generally speaking, the one thing I dislike more than omnipotent, all-powerful characters are characters who are omnipotent and seemingly unstoppable for one storyline segment but then totally falliable and incapable of doing a damned thing right the next. That's basically what Dominic Deegan is all about. One storyline he's battling the extradimensional forces of chaos to save the known world, the next he's struggling to outsmart a single snobby rich kid trying to take over a town.

Also, Dominic Deegan's personality has changed drastically over time, and we're not given much explanation as to why it happens. Dominic starts off your 'typical' seer persona, more or less; sarcastic, analytical, logical, introspective, deeply brooding, couldn't give a damn about his hometown or most the people in it. (I actually rather liked that early interpretation of Dominic.) All the sudden these days he's a crybaby with a heart of gold, (seriously will Dominic ever go a single storyline without falling into Luna's lap in tears? Will Luna ever go a single storyline without weeping with Dominic? Am I the only one who thinks these two just cry a little too much? I mean, I've gone through my fair share of shit, and I still don't even have a serious tearjerker session more than once or twice a year tops.) Dominic's personality seems so driven by the author's concerns as opposed to any stability as an actual character, that Dominic doesn't really have much a personality at all.

Oh and, for a character who's so emotionally invested and supposedly living such a "brutal life", am I the only one who thinks Dominic's pretty damn lucky? I mean, I don't know of any other comic series hero who actually manages to have parents that are alive, let alone on his side; a younger brother and a love interest totally supportive of him; a best friend who just happens to be gay so yes, he'll have a crush on Dominic too. Dominic is so fucking spoiled in comparison to any other hero I've ever read about, and it grates on me that the few times that shit does hit the fan, Dominic's like "OMG I HATE MY LIFE" and then he goes off to his room and cries. And yes, every once in a while Dominic gets the shit beaten out of him, but you know everything well turn out hanky-dory for him anyway because it's either all an illusion, or his brother's going to be around to heal him, or he's going to reverse time with the power of his mind or something.

In short, Dominic has just about everything he could want but he's apparently convinced he has nothing at all; constant Deus Ex Machinas either save his ass or land him into trouble he should have known about before it even happened; and everyone else in the comic worships the very ground he stands upon as if he were a destined savior akin to, well, Harry Potter.

Just once, I'd like to see Dominic totally wrong about something. And not just "wrong" but nothing really changes anyway. I mean wrong and his girlfriend breaks up with him, or his family disowns him, or the supporting cast's affections for him are lost, or someone SIGNIFICANT like his mother or father actually dies, as in "I genuinely fucked everything up for everybody" wrong. And for once as opposed to crying about it, I'd like to see Dominic actually toughen up, gets his hands a little dirtier and mature a bit.

[Jagos]

When did Robin become the Kenny McCormick of DC?


Hatred = Cyclops

(Goody Two Shoes + Tool of Xavier + Angsty over-goodness) * (Cheater with Emma through Telepathy behind Jean Grey's back... WTF?) = The Xmen need a new leader that isn't a douche.

I could go on but I believe this simple formula explains it all. I was one of the only people that was glad he died in the movie.

[Mesden]

There are quite a few things that irritate me about Dominic Deegan the character; the first is the same thing I loathe about, coincidentally, Harry Potter the character; we share a physical resemblence. Most of my friends who read Dominic Deegan (and I do have more than a few) are quick to tell me that I look (and dress) more than just a tad like Dominic, which was similar to the kind of reaction my friends have poured upon me for "looking like Harry Potter." Oddly enough, I don't understand how anyone could think that Dominic and Harry share much of a resemblence, I don't know, maybe I'm just stuck somewhere halfway between them.

Hey, it's not like it's his fault he took a look in the likeness of you.

But it irritates me to no f-ing end to be compared to a character, espesically when they make it sound as if I'm copying the character's mannerisms or appearance or clothing style, when in fact if anything the opposite would be true.

I don't think you've ever set up an elborate trap to stop some forseen and/or dastardly plan? =3 Also, hey, just because a character is like you, doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

I also dislike Dominic's entire occupation and his "gifts" as a seer, which are continually used by the author as a cop-out or a Deus Ex Machina.

You know, the main character of an entire series that's named after him normally DOES have some nice Dues ex Machnia thing to him. And a "Cop out" is, well, probably the same thing with most other storylines. I mean, Snake, why don't you try to find another way for the story to progress. It's not easy, is it? This is a tad convenient and fits the character.

Need the dynamics of any given predicament to change in a heartbeat? Dominic's here and he can read the future! But oh wait, Dominic only selectively reads the future, so sometimes he's as powerful as a Demigod and other times he's absolutely powerless as shit.

Excluding the beginning, where he just forsaw things normally for humor's sake, he pretty much DOES see about as much as he can. It's stated MANY times how he overuses his powers to see things, since he's always trying to do it. Sometimes he comes up short, you know?

This becomes annoying to me because more often than not I find myself accusing Dominic of being more a tool utilized to advance the author's desired plot, as opposed to an actual independent character with a semblence of free will.

Every single character of importance is used to progress the storyline. I think you're just diving into DD so bad because he's the direct center of everything, here. His free will is the story, you know. And technically, no other character has free will, because, well, they're fictional characters that bend to the author's will. *hint hint*

Generally speaking, the one thing I dislike more than omnipotent, all-powerful characters are characters who are omnipotent and seemingly unstoppable for one storyline segment but then totally falliable and incapable of doing a damned thing right the next.

That's normally because they meet up with a challenge that's different and hard to adapt to from what they're used to. IE:...

One storyline he's battling the extradimensional forces of chaos to save the known world, the next he's struggling to outsmart a single snobby rich kid trying to take over a town.

Right here. It was a drastic change from what he normally fights and I think the author showed just how the rich can have a supressing power on even the most seemingly unstoppable of characters.

Also, Dominic Deegan's personality has changed drastically over time, and we're not given much explanation as to why it happens.

I thought it was the stress of battling crisis after crisis that fucked with him, personally.

Dominic starts off your 'typical' seer persona, more or less; sarcastic, analytical, logical, introspective, deeply brooding, couldn't give a damn about his hometown or most the people in it.

Totally. Because it's the beginning with little character development. OF course it's gonna be like that.

All the sudden these days he's a crybaby with a heart of gold,

Because he's a good guy with a WHOLE LOT OF SHIT going on.

(seriously will Dominic ever go a single storyline without falling into Luna's lap in tears? Will Luna ever go a single storyline without weeping with Dominic? Am I the only one who thinks these two just cry a little too much? I mean, I've gone through my fair share of shit, and I still don't even have a serious tearjerker session more than once or twice a year tops.)

Because you've totally had to battle for existance, fight supernatural forces and save everyone you love many times, eh? =P (No meaning to insult here, Snake. It's just that, though I'm sure you've gone through some serious shit, DD has gone through ALL OF THIS stuff back to back, nonstop in the course of, what, Three months?)

Dominic's personality seems so driven by the author's concerns as opposed to any stability as an actual character, that Dominic doesn't really have much a personality at all.

Sure he does. He's a guy with a rare, but abusable power that's got a good destiny ahead of him. It's kind of typical, but it fits well. Every main character has some kind of cliche about them, usually.

Oh and, for a character who's so emotionally invested and supposedly living such a "brutal life", am I the only one who thinks Dominic's pretty damn lucky?

Yeah, hold on...

I mean, I don't know of any other comic series hero who actually manages to have parents that are alive, let alone on his side; a younger brother and a love interest totally supportive of him; a best friend who just happens to be gay so yes, he'll have a crush on Dominic too. Dominic is so fucking spoiled in comparison to any other hero I've ever read about,

You know what SERIOUSLY sucks about having all this nice stuff? He's got to work in and out, time after time just to save them and keep them alive. He's got all these great things and he comes so close to losing them every time, that it wears down his shell.

Seriously, you say he's lucky for having so many great things. I say he's had it pretty rough that over a course of a few months, he's almost lost everything he loves several times because of himself.

That's where...

Dominic's like "OMG I HATE MY LIFE" and then he goes off to his room and cries.

He gets like this. He took a lot of shit working up and things just seem to get shittier and shittier, and more dangerous to everything he holds dear. All because of himself. And the fact that he's got to risk everyone of his friend's lives for this takes a toll on his emotional health.

That's some decent character, if I say so myself.

And yes, every once in a while Dominic gets the shit beaten out of him, but you know everything well turn out hanky-dory for him anyway because it's either all an illusion,

What? He's smart! I'd rather my illusion get fucked up than me!

or his brother's going to be around to heal him,

It's what White Magic's for, yo!

or he's going to reverse time with the power of his mind or something.

Because the damage was in his mind and therefore, through his power and will, he overcame it.

In short, Dominic has just about everything he could want but he's apparently convinced he has nothing at all;

Actually, I think he's stated many, many times how he has such great friends and family and how lucky he is. He just gets sad that they might die for his sake.

See: Siggy.


constant Deus Ex Machinas either save his ass or land him into trouble he should have known about before it even happened;

Notice that whenever he doesn't see something, it normally happens after he's already overused his power or there was something intentionally blocking his known power, because Seer's are assholes.

and everyone else in the comic worships the very ground he stands upon as if he were a destined savior akin to, well, Harry Potter.

When you've got a DAMN good friend that risks his life time and time again and worries about you as much as he does, I'd give him some praise too.

Just once, I'd like to see Dominic totally wrong about something. And not just "wrong" but nothing really changes anyway. I mean wrong and his girlfriend breaks up with him, or his family disowns him, or the supporting cast's affections for him are lost, or someone SIGNIFICANT like his mother or father actually dies, as in "I genuinely fucked everything up for everybody" wrong. And for once as opposed to crying about it, I'd like to see Dominic actually toughen up, gets his hands a little dirtier and mature a bit.

See, you know, he works so hard time and time again so he doesn't fuck up. He strains himself so often that it comes REALLY REALLY close, but he pulls it through with his own power and through all of his support that he gives ample credit and respect too.

See: Every damn time he's ever overcame something. He pretty much thanks everyone time and time again and is HAPPY when everyone turns out alright.

He normally goes all emo crybaby because, well, he's afraid he's going to lose all this great stuff you said he has. Wouldn't you break down after it's happened, oh, what, 10 times or so?

He HAS had a lot of shit happen to him. About more times than I care to count.

But, I guess this is our diverging opinions. Hope I showed you why I LIKE the character, atleast.

[Fifthfiend]

1. Complaining about deus ex machina in a webcomic is like complaining about naked titties in a titty bar.

2. If you're gonna complain about something in Dominic Deegan, complain about how Dominic Deegan looks like it was drawn by a retarded 12-year-old* whose goddamn Manga comics threw up all over his Harry Potter fanfic.

OH man, that was just really fun to say!



PS: FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!! (http://www.gatofucsia.net/images/comicon/pvp/s_kurtz.jpg)



*Admittedly, a redundancy

[Solid Snake]

Oh, Mesden, I can see why some people like Dominic as a character. I'm just not one of them.

And considering that there are plenty of wonderful novels out there that don't rely on Deus Ex Machina up the wazoo, I'd hope that there are some out there capable of writing webcomics that don't overrely on it.

[Mesden]

Oh, Mesden, I can see why some people like Dominic as a character. I'm just not one of them.

And considering that there are plenty of wonderful novels out there that don't rely on Deus Ex Machina up the wazoo, I'd hope that there are some out there capable of writing webcomics that don't overrely on it.

Hey, DD gets taken out a shitload of times. It's just the fact when you've got a story where the main character is half dead due to serious damn injuries, getting him healed tends to help, you know, not drag the story. =P

Oh, and killing him off tends to slow down the story a bit, so dues exiness helps a good bit.

Sorry, I just can't see your view on why you hate him, since, well, I stated all of it! d(^ ^d)

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Webcomics: DIVX from Penny Arcade. God I hate him. All he does is drink. That's all the humour he gives. Boo.

Comic-comics:

Wolverine

Oh come on.

Jean "The Phoenix" Grey

Wolvie's Nev-R-Die power times a zillion, in that she comes back and even after she's dead forever, people still have psychic hallucinations about her. Damn it.

The New Blue Beetle

Because he isn't the old Blue Beetle

The New Firestorm

See the relevant entry for Blue Beetle.

Know what? I was for a second, afraid to post Jean Grey because I thought, "Well, she's like omnipotent, I might get banned again".

[Fifthfiend]

I'd hope that there are some out there capable of writing webcomics that don't overrely on it.

They live right down the street from all those modestly clad topless dancers.

ANY WAY

Since we're talking webcomics characters, I'm gonna go ahead and throw in Every Single Character in Something Postive (http://www.somethingpositive.net/index.html).

Just, every time they shift from being super-hip, e'er so ironic urban-livin' bad-asses who topple all windmills and slaughter all strawmen with their hipper-than-thou preemptive sarcasm.... to spouting painfully overwrought homilies on the eternal bonds of friendship and brotherly love and how everybody cares about everybody, deep down... except those people who mildly annoyed us that one time, who are fuckers who we shall kill!

Just sort of rubs me the wrong way.

Oh! You know who I can't stand, in, like, paper comics?

Doctor goddamn Light

"Oh boo hoo, poor me! There I was mindin' my own business, innocently raping the shit out of the wife of one of the Justice League, and all those meano heroes show up and start pickin' on me for no good reason! Oh really it's just so unfair, waah waah waah!" Plus like all of a sudden he's more powerful than, like, Superman, Jesus Christ, and Godzilla, to the power of Bat-Man's prep time, and every superhero who fights him suddenly turns into a jelly-legged mealy-mouthed incompetent, apparently in thrall to the power of his whiny-jackass field.

Know what? I was for a second, afraid to post Jean Grey because I thought, "Well, she's like omnipotent, I might get banned again".

.... Your paranoia is as unto a tribute to my glory.

[Krylo]

You know, I really don't like ANY of the characters in Dominic Deegan. I think it might be because every villain is a cookie-cutter cut-out of every movie villain ever... right down to how they meet their ends. It could be because all the heros are just archetypes with very little special about them (except maybe being slightly more emo than most characters like them, but that's REALLY not a plus) or it could be that, well, the art fucking sucks and the stories stopped being interesting when... well, I'm honestly not sure they were ever interesting.

Also: Wolverine. No more needs to be said, really. I mean, seriously, Wolverine.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Welcome to the fold, brother.

[Zesty]

in terms of webcomis I hate Chef Brian from CAD (http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com). Random for random's sake can be funny, but Chef Brian just sorta rings hollow for me.

As for print comics, Karolina Dean. Whiney sad-sacks who do nothing to change their state just sorta piss me off.

[Fifthfiend]

Also: Wolverine. No more needs to be said, really. I mean, seriously, Wolverine.

You know if anyone happened to wonder that I hadn't mentioned Wolverine? It's because that's really everything, right there, that there is to say about Wolverine.

[Ivellios]

You know if anyone happened to wonder that I hadn't mentioned Wolverine? It's because that's really everything, right there, that there is to say about Wolverine.



That's just fantastic. So, what kind of reasons do you have for this?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Wolverine. Suck. The ASS. What the fuck more do you want?

[Death by Stabbing]

First of all...I like Wolverine for specific reasons that I have spelled out before and if you need clarification PM me about it

That said the Post-House of M Wolverine does admitantly suck...I mean that really was what the fuck..."Hey let's build up his Origin being reveled and then give him his fucking memory back...yup let's just take away half of the character and give him his memory back so he doesn't have to grasp at vauge clues anymore" that was pretty much how I think the meeting went...Watching him uncover his past bit by bit was fun to read (well it depended on who was writting...) I always liked not getting all the answers... Also since we are talking about House of M I'd just like to say that Bendis is a jerk off...

Newspaper Comics

Garfield...'Nuff Said

Baldo...If it's in your newspaper then please for the love of all good tell them to cancel it...my newspaper canceled Spider Man to put it in...

Web Comics
Well really I haven't found a web comic that hasn't at least intreagued me...and I wouldn't waste my time reading one I didn't like

(By the way Fifth...I like Something Positive...a lot...just don't overanalyze it...or don't read it...I guess...you don't really have to take advice from me)

And Comic Comics

1. Superman...more annoying than whatever Roy and Krylo think of Wolverine...Superman is the absolute worst super hero ever...You can't have every damn power...you just can't...And Wolverine would best Superman in a fight any day...also Superman is a dick...Who loves to kill people...and won't stay dead himself...

2. Cyclops...never liked him...maybe it was because my brother did...I'm also glad that...what happened to him in X3 did

3. Jubilee...What the fuck are her powers? Fireworks...she can make fire works...well I suppose that would help in a bad date or something..."Hey look some fireworks indoors!" "Huh?" *Runs like hell*

4. Morlun...Spider Man enemy...He gets killed and then...suprise! there's more than one!

5. Just DC comics in general...They just annoy me and I can't connect with the characters...also as a Marvel Fanboy I'm obligated to hate them anyways...Batman's ok though...

6. Ghost Rider...Why does he get his own movie while Dr. Strange doesn't? Dr. Strange rules...he is the l33t m45t3r

That's all I can think of for now.
Love,
Death By Stabbing

[ElfLad]

Bun Bun from Sluggy Freelance.

Really, the homicidal bunny was funny in Holy Grail, but Bun Bun is annoyingly one-dimensional, which is made worse by the enormous amount of comics that focus on him. I just don't like him much, and the storylines that focused on him tended to be the low points of the archives for me.

[Mirai Gen]

I'll second the Punisher, because I fucking hate angst, even when it's done in a quasi-cool light. Which the Punisher never did. It was just kind of, Oh hey, more "roaring rampage of revenge".

And to be fair, the Punisher game's interrogations were fucking awesome.

Also, Sinestro from Green Lantern.

Seriously, deus ex machinae anyone? Oh, Hal Jordan and the rest all are super-heroes until they meet yellow, and OH EM GE, I get a yellow-ring, just like theirs!

Also, Kyle, the final Green Lantern. Never before have they tried to make Spider Man's mid-combat wit into a Green Lantern. They failed.

[Myst Warrior]

A lot of the Ultimate X-men I just can't stand.

I mean, Beast self-inflicting his fur was part of his personality. Granted, he was promptly killed off, but still.

Cyclops in the old X-men needs to learn that his wife is never really dead. I mean he falls in love with two other women just because she's "dead"!

Juggernaut in Ultimate X-men is a loser. He isn't Xavier's brother, he isn't an avatar of Cytorrak, and he's just an asshole.

Rogue in Ultimates is just annoying. She's the damsel, mostly because she doesn't have Ms. Marvel powers. I mean, Gambit's powers are good, but she can't fly or withstand bullets!

Professor X in Ultimates is just wrong for me, somehow. He seems willing to do whatever it takes, at any cost. That's not the good ol' Professor I know.

And in comic strips in the newspaper, ANYTHING that's replacing Boondocks. Hasn't the guy had enough vacation already?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

First of all...I like Wolverine for specific reasons that I have spelled out before and if you need clarification PM me about it

1. Superman...more annoying than whatever Roy and Krylo think of Wolverine...Superman is the absolute worst super hero ever...You can't have every damn power...you just can't...And Wolverine would best Superman in a fight any day...also Superman is a dick...Who loves to kill people...and won't stay dead himself...

2. Cyclops...never liked him...maybe it was because my brother did...I'm also glad that...what happened to him in X3 did

3. Jubilee...What the fuck are her powers? Fireworks...she can make fire works...well I suppose that would help in a bad date or something..."Hey look some fireworks indoors!" "Huh?" *Runs like hell*

4. Morlun...Spider Man enemy...He gets killed and then...suprise! there's more than one!

5. Just DC comics in general...They just annoy me and I can't connect with the characters...also as a Marvel Fanboy I'm obligated to hate them anyways...Batman's ok though...

6. Ghost Rider...Why does he get his own movie while Dr. Strange doesn't? Dr. Strange rules...he is the l33t m45t3r

That's all I can think of for now.
Love,
Death By Stabbing

Wolverine: No matter what way you slice it, Wolverine is a suck-ass.

1. Not liking Superman is un-American. What are you, a commie? But seriously, Superman is the Super Hero. He's the best and will always be the best.

2. Cyclops is a really well done character, for someone who has to interact with Icky Jean a lot.

3. Jubilee doesn't have powers anymore, and other than that, she's okay. Nice personality.

4. Okay, yeah.

5. Hellz yes.

6. Ghost Rider pwns joo.




I mean, Beast self-inflicting his fur was part of his personality. Granted, he was promptly killed off, but still.

Rogue in Ultimates is just annoying. She's the damsel, mostly because she doesn't have Ms. Marvel powers. I mean, Gambit's powers are good, but she can't fly or withstand bullets!

Professor X in Ultimates is just wrong for me, somehow. He seems willing to do whatever it takes, at any cost. That's not the good ol' Professor I know.


No it wasn't. Just the fur was part of his personality, and having someone else do it to him was just as good, if not better than, having him do it to himself, because he had someone to be angry at other than himself, and enough X-Men hate themselves already.

"I don't like Rogue because she can't fly"? What's that? Rogue can kick anyone's ass. Gambit's powers have always worked for Gambit. And now she can do it with Bobby!

On that note, does it seem to anyone else that the X-Men movies and the UXM books reflect each other more than the movies do the "canon" books?

Xavier has always, in 616, been an ass. Did you not read Deadly Genesis?

[Chipper173]

Here's who I hate.

The Fantastic Four.

I think their powers are lame. I can't stand how "Dude, whoa, XTREME" Johnny is, and how annoyingly nerdy Reed is, which is weird considering that I'm a huge nerd.

I love Ben, though. Lovable lug.

Any Spider-Man villain.

I mean, just look at almost any of their powers, and wonder how the hell someone with Spider-Man's powers could beat them. Sandman? How the hell are you gonna web up sand? Rhino? He'll bust his ass through it. Venom? His only weaknesses are stuff Spider-Man will never have on hand.

Action figure makers.

Yeah, this probably doesn't count, but who the hell decided that Superman needed a super-missile launcher, or Spider-Man needed a bitching car?

Seriously, how would Peter Parker pay for that?

The interaction between the old Hal Jordan Green Lantern and Green Arrow.

Arrow would always get pissed off because Hal was just doing what he thought was right. You all know that comic where that landlord is gonna kick all those people off and Lantern and Arrow manage to incriminate him? Well, they're standing around, going, "Nice job, buddy" to each other, and then one of Lantern's big master guys materializes and goes, "Green Lantern, we told you to wait up there in space like we told you," and Hal is just like, "Crap, sorry," and then Arrow starts chewing him out. He goes, "Man, you're so spineless, you don't even count as a person!" and he just got done congratulating him on a job well done.

That page pisses me off to no end.

[Meister]

Jesse Custer from Preacher can, as you probably know, make anyone he wants do anything he wants just by telling them to. But he doesn't because he is compelled to use his power responsibly, as he explains to his best buddy in one of the earlier issues. That's at least the situation until few issues later where he says "Fuck it" and turns into an utter cock for the rest of the comic.

I'm not even joking. He literally, right on the page, says "Fuck it" after he spent two pages explaining his morals, and you can just hear Garth Ennis going "Well shit, this whole bunch of morality I wrote sort of might get in the way of the massive slaughtering and fucking I'd planned for the last 3/4 of the run." And he explained it to Steve Dillon, and Dillon said "Does this mean I get to draw exploding heads, guts and titties?"
"Well, sure. Can you throw in some disfigured people?"
"Sure can!"

I looked into another Ennis/Dillon comic at the comic book store the other day. Opened it completely at random, and what do I see? British soldiers being tortured by a Nazi woman with large breasts, one on a rack, one being shot... it's a recognizable style, let's put it that way.

[Death by Stabbing]

Any Spider-Man villain.

I mean, just look at almost any of their powers, and wonder how the hell someone with Spider-Man's powers could beat them. Sandman? How the hell are you gonna web up sand? Rhino? He'll bust his ass through it. Venom? His only weaknesses are stuff Spider-Man will never have on hand.

Action figure makers.

Yeah, this probably doesn't count, but who the hell decided that Superman needed a super-missile launcher, or Spider-Man needed a bitching car?

Seriously, how would Peter Parker pay for that?




Spider-Man's enemies are more powerful than him for a reason...he doesn't need to out fight them he out smarts them...He doesn't web up Sandman he usually either spreds him out across a distance or sometimes he vaccumms him up...What I don't like about Sandman is that after he became a good guy...he turned bad again...and then somehow he died because Venom bites him and poisons him so he can't stay together anymore...what the hell is up with that?
Spidey's agility always beats the Rino...everytime
As far as Venom...I like him...he's pretty crafty...he always takes advantage of things Peter forgets like how his Spider Sense doesn't react to Venom...

Carnage is also cool...but what's dumb is whenever Venom and Carnage combine and then are all powerful...it just annoys me...

But the point of Spidey's enemies isn't that he can power through them like the Hulk or Superman it's that he can out wit them and out smart them...he's a differnet kind of Superhero...

Oh and while we're talking about Spider Man enemies...the way some of them have died...Chameleon...Mysterio...and how Kraven came back after clearly killing himself...
But all in all I think Spidey's villians are some of the best


But yeah the car is really over the top...why would he have one...ask the people who made the Japanese Spider Man show I guess...

Love,
Death By Stabbing

[Fifthfiend]

Xavier has always, in 616, been an ass. Did you not read Deadly Genesis?

Seriously, fuck 616 Xavier. I mean and you know what pissed me off about him, is he'd spend like 3 pages going on about how something was morally wrong and reprehensible and how his impeccable personal standards would never allow it - and then he'd go ahead and like mindwipe half of New England, or whatever in hell thing he thought was just too wrong ever to do.

Full of some bull-shit, that's what Xavier is.

Action figure makers.

Yeah, this probably doesn't count, but who the hell decided that Superman needed a super-missile launcher, or Spider-Man needed a bitching car?

Seriously, how would Peter Parker pay for that?

Spider-Man had a car, he had a car and it was totally bitchin'!

... BAM! (http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/Spidermobile/spidermobile.htm)

http://www.samruby.com/Spiderverse/Spidermobile/Spidermobile.gif

So bitchin'!

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Seriously, fuck 616 Xavier. I mean and you know what pissed me off about him, is he'd spend like 3 pages going on about how something was morally wrong and reprehensible and how his impeccable personal standards would never allow it - and then he'd go ahead and like mindwipe half of New England, or whatever in hell thing he thought was just too wrong ever to do.


My point!

[WingedLion]

Quote:
Hatred = Cyclops

(Goody Two Shoes + Tool of Xavier + Angsty over-goodness) * (Cheater with Emma through Telepathy behind Jean Grey's back... WTF?) = The Xmen need a new leader that isn't a douche.

I could go on but I believe this simple formula explains it all. I was one of the only people that was glad he died in the movie.

I was going to post something similar hehe :D. Is not like I hate him, is just that for me, he is a very poor character with no psychological dimension whatsoever, or at least so far has been poorly developed.

Although I'm a DC fan, I don't hate Marvel (I have fond memories of some of its comics). I just hate what writers have done with some characters (which sadly happens also in DC) and the whole alternate realities/futures, that require a map to understand what is going on. And the fact that there was a mutant for every unimaginable power, most of them pretty much useless (e.g. Jubilee, albeit she was funny). Maybe I'm just one of the few that is glad that they reduced the number of mutants in the regular 616.

Now the character I can't withstand is Spawn, dunno why, maybe is the fact that is over dark and gritty or that despite being an interesting concept was poorly executed. Honest, don't have a clue, but somehow he can push my buttons.

[Jagos]

least so far has been poorly developed.

He's been poorly developed for FORTY years... That horse ain't getting any deader.

Don't get me started on the Ultimate universe...
Which reminds me. If they're retelling all of these stories in the U-Universe, WHY IS CYCLOPS STILL AN ANGSTY DOUCHE!?

It still boggles my mind...

I'll leave Cyclops alone. I'll check back when I have time to talk about more characters.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Cylcops isn't an angsty douche. In UXM he's a very confident leader who laid out Wolverine. So, I dunno, stick it in your ear, or some mildly offensive jab.

[Fifthfiend]

... Nah, he's still kind of an angsty douche.

Any guy whose girlfriend has to tell him to fuck her?

Kind of an angsty douche.

I mean and I like Cyclops, but, there you go.

ANY WAY

Kyle Rayner

- also -

Hal Jordan

Pretty much in equal measure

Death of the Endless

When I kick off, the last fuckin' thing I want to see is some goddamn chipper goth-bitch all up in my face, being all "tee-hee, you're dead! Gorsh I am just so goddamn cute, aren't I?"

Spider Jerusalem

Now don't get me wrong, I love Spider Jerusalem.

But I mean honestly... fuck Spider Jerusalem.

[Invisible Queen]

Death of the Endless

When I kick off, the last fuckin' thing I want to see is some goddamn chipper goth-bitch all up in my face, being all "tee-hee, you're dead! Gorsh, I am just so goddamn cute, aren't I?"
Pfft, your loss. If Death isn't your type you might as well give up on life, in my honest opinion. "But that's what she wants!" :)

Anyway. Supershock in "Powers". He's like Superman to the power of Superman, a hero everyone in the world admires. And then he goes senile and kills half his admirers. Scary, revolutionary, visionary, but an ass.

[Fifthfiend]

Pfft, your loss. If Death isn't your type you might as well give up on life, in my honest opinion. "But that's what she wants!" :)

Anyway. Supershock in "Powers". He's like Superman to the power of Superman, a hero everyone in the world admires. And then he goes senile and kills half his admirers. Scary, revolutionary, visionary, but an ass.

Eh, but I mean, you're supposed to hate him. I mean that's like, I don't know, hating Lex Luthor. If you're sitting there being like "Goddammit you son of a bitch Lex Luthor!" well then, job well done, Lex Luthor.

It's kind of hard to get angry about it.

(Honestly, you know who I hate in Powers? Is every single cop character in Powers.

Like the entire theme of that book is haw haw we're the cops, we beat the shit out of people and fuck them right in the Constitutional Protections, now fucking love us for it!)

But you know I have to say I do make one exception to that rule --

Mike, from Shortpacked! (http://www.shortpacked.com/) (also from It's Walky! (http://www.itswalky.com/))

I mean at first it's like oh hah hah, he's a total asshole!

Then at some point it's just like no wait, seriously fuck that worthless piece of shit, for being a total asshole!

It's like at some point it becomes impossible to suspend belief that someone has not yet beaten him to death with his own severed limb.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I can't stand, I don't remember which one, one of Sandman (Gaiman)'s siblings. The one that was pale. And had black hair. You know the one. The ugly one.

Despair, that was the fucker.

[MFD]

I can't stand Hal and Kyle. Seriously, half the fans hate Hal, and the other half hate Kyle. Which means that EVERYONE HATES GREEN LANTERN.

And that they really oughta investigate making an Alan movie.

[Zesty]

When I kick off, the last fuckin' thing I want to see is some goddamn chipper goth-bitch all up in my face, being all "tee-hee, you're dead! Gorsh I am just so goddamn cute, aren't I?"

So you're looking more for a tall fellow in a cloak who likes kittens?
</POINTLESS REFS>

But to relate the Sandman stuff back to my earlier post, Delerium: THAT is how you do goddamn Random For Randmness' Sake!! Especially that short story about her...that was just completely gone.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

So you're looking more for a tall feollow in a cloak who likes kittens?
</POINTLESS REFS>


Nothing involving Pratchett is pointless.

I can't stand Hal and Kyle. Seriously, half the fans hate Hal, and the other half hate Kyle. Which means that EVERYONE HATES GREEN LANTERN.

I don't.

[Zesty]

Nothing involving Pratchett is pointless.

Well said! "FABRICI DIEM, PVNC"

[Roy_D_Mylote]

To protect and serve, indeed.

Amen.

[Fifthfiend]

You're a good man, for all that you wear a damn silly hat.

But stop spamming up my thread.

[Mashirosen]

I mean at first it's like oh hah hah, he's a total asshole!

Then at some point it's just like no wait, seriously fuck that worthless piece of shit, for being a total asshole!

It's like at some point it becomes impossible to suspend belief that someone has not yet beaten him to death with his own severed limb.
So...Yorick in Y the Last Man, right?

[Fifthfiend]

So...Yorick in Y the Last Man, right?

Nah, he's just kind of a milksop and a schmutz.

I mean honestly okay yeah, he's also probably kind of an asshole.

But it's like, really, you can't be the single last man on the face of the earth and - one way or another - not come off as being an asshole.

I mean here's pretty much how it would go, inside of your standard guy brain.

"Damn, I'm the man."

"... No, wait a minute -- I really am THE MAN."

Aaaaaand it's just all downhill from there.

Oh! In regards to this --

Eh, but I mean, you're supposed to hate him. I mean that's like, I don't know, hating Lex Luthor. If you're sitting there being like "Goddammit you son of a bitch Lex Luthor!" well then, job well done, Lex Luthor.

I actually thought of a really good example, which was, Ultimate Namor, in Ultimate Fantastic Four.

I mean he was just such an arrogant evil son of a bitch!

Like, the scene where he's just shredded the shit out of half of Manhattan, and then he stops the whole show to make out with Sue Storm, like, right there in front of Reed?

I was ready to fuckin' tear that comic in half, fuckin' set it on fire, and piss on the ashes!

... Which would have made one hell of a scene in the middle of Mens Sportswear in Hechts', as you can no doubt imagine.

And all I could think to myself was Goddamn you Mark Millar, well done!

[Zesty]

You're a good man, for all that you wear a damn silly hat.

But stop spamming up my thread.

No sooner said than it is done.

To resume the character-hate, I don't really know what their names are, but the two Mysterious Villians (TM) from the new Eternals series are certainly hate worthy. I mean ,drugging a guy, dragging him to your secret lair and all, that's cool. Attempting to kill him is cool, but only once, man! Their Evil Plan (TM) seems to be as follows:

(Short Guy): Did dumping him in acid work?

(Tall Guy): nope.

(Short Guy): Hm. Drowning him?

(Tall): no.

(Short): hmm...drop him in molton steel. that should work.

And when it didn't, they strapped him to a goddamn partical accellerator. It probably wouldn't set me on edge if it didn't have the feeling of a couple creepy kids torturing a cat or something.

If it doesn't work, I assume they'll just start shooting him in the batch with a BB gun or something

[+1 Name]

Fifthfiend: Milksop? Never heard that one.

Hero I can't stand: Mr. Incredible. I mean, seriously, it's Mr. Incredible. Ooh! I can stretch. I mean, if you locked your keys in the car or can't reach something on the top shelf, he's your man, but does he really deserve to be a superhero?

[Fifthfiend]

Fifthfiend: Milksop? Never heard that one.

Like if you've spilled milk all over and you get a rag to sop it up. So you've got a rag that's all like wet and soggy and gushy and dripping milk all over. And it probably smells a little.

Hero I can't stand: Mr. Incredible. I mean, seriously, it's Mr. Incredible. Ooh! I can stretch. I mean, if you locked your keys in the car or can't reach something on the top shelf, he's your man, but does he really deserve to be a superhero?

You are either thinking of Mrs. Incredible, or Mr. Fantastic.

Also - you have a whole theme going there. That's pretty good.

[+1 Name]

Crap! I did mean Mr. Fantastic! Also, if I had that power, I wouldn't be a superhero. He can stretch ANY part of his body, right?

[Fifthfiend]

Congratulations: You are the one millionth comic book nerd to wonder about Reed Richards' cock.

But hey I mean, the guy does all right (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/images/040926/jessicaalbaassuestorm1.jpg).

[Roy_D_Mylote]

For my own reassurance, I never wondered about Reed Richards's cock. See, I'm a boy. And not an idiot.

[MFD]

I was always more curious as to the fact that the Thing always had a girlfriend. Then I realized that he was probably massive and rock hard.

ANYWAYS. I never really understood the appeal of the Flash.

[Jagos]

I'm reminded of Family Guy everytime someone mentions The Flash:

"Superman, you're in hell? How come?"

"Some chick made a crack about me being faster than a speeding bullet. So I cracked her in two and [God spited me - horrible paraphrase...]"

Can we talk about villains? The Rhino...

Seriously, an overgrown man playing out his furry fetish and he's a grade A supervillain? Did I just miss something or could it be that Spidey really needs better "playmates?"

[Hace]

I always had a hate of superman, the guy could do everything and could only be stopped by a shiny green rock known as kryptonite. He only had the one weakness which i found to be rather annoying. But other than that i never really got into the superman comics, i was more for spidey and x-men.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

To be fair, the Post Crisis Superman was significantly weaker than his Pre Crisis version. He can be knocked out a lot more often, and harmed easier.

[[ray.z]]

Moreover, Supes in the Justice League is weak as too. He's meant to be super and all, but he gets his assed kicked around a fair bit.

In addition, he's a bit of a whinger. He saves hundreds of people all the time, but when he screws up once, he locks himslef up in his fortress.

But then again, maybe I'm being a bit too harsh.

The ENTIRE Ultimate Spiderman series

I first heard about the Ultimate series in that spiffy and cartoony spiderman game y'know. I thought that Ultimate was just part of the game's name.

Boy was I wrong.

Ultimate Spiderman is a complete mutilation of Spiderman. Especially the damn storyline - what the fuck!

The game was fun though ...

Hob/Demo Goblin

Ripoffs of the original. Literally.

Robin

Would be of better use to Batman as a decoy than a partner (or ward).

Superman

Overated. (And look up.)

The Joker

Now don't get me wrong, I love the Joker as a Batman character. He is absolutely insane!

But he is pure evil. Pure evil. Specially in Return of the Joker, and The Killing Joke.

Actually, he's more of a monster.

But he's still cool.

[Fifthfiend]

And thus concludes the 60-Post Hate.

Double-plus good, comrades!