RM, WM, Thief and Fighter: The new light warriors?

[BlackMageFF1]

This is the way it was supposed to be in the first place. Everyone voted BM off in the Survivor: 8-Bit Style Saga. Was BM the source of the Light Warriors failure?

[happy_turtle]

If everything in the universe happens to hurt BM, and they are with BM, then of course BM was the source of their failure merely by being there.

[greed]

What failure, they're class changed, Thief is a rich elven ninja, RM got to play god, Fighter has Swordchucks, BM was a god, two fiends are dead, they've committed dwarven genocide, and BM has killed countless innocents.
For a bunch of inhuman monsters and an idiot with a sword-fixation they've succeeded beyond their wildest dreams (except Fighter's ones that involve Transformers-Star Trek NG crossovers).

WM is the only one with real failure, BB is dead, countless others are senselessly dead, she knows everything she believed is wrong and she's travelling with two psychopaths and a moron.

[[ray.z]]

Well of course BM wasn't supposed to be in the light warriors - but no one cares cause if he wasn't then senseless violence within the comic would have decreased dramatically - and no one wants that.

But still, the actual light warriors consist of RM, WM, Thief and Fighter.

And can you see any serious practising dark magic be affiliated with a group with the word light in their title anyway.

However, without BM, the light warriors we've come to know and love would have never messed with destiny in Ep. 61: Another Bad Plan (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010728).

Originally said by Black Mage :bmage:
Uh, their destiny must be cooling off. We haven't a moment to spare!
Orbs of light - Ha!

[happy_turtle]

Wow...you are completely right. BM is responsible for getting the LW gig. So in a way, if everything happens to hurt BM, but makes things better for everyone else, wouldn't it be better is BM stayed in the group then?

[YF-23]

You never know. WM could have done something and they would become LWs nonetheless. However, the LWs do owe their victory against Lich to BM (exept if WM knows Dia (or BAN, whatever), .lol).

[happy_turtle]

Why would she use Dia if it has been proven that she knows Holy Fire? Wouldn't that be more effective? Plus if BM hadn't been there, Hell would have never been introduced to the Spine-ectomy (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040323), which is how Lich was able to gain the favor of all those in Hell so once again I have proven that BM is crucial to the LWs and their quest-like crusades.

[blackwaltzomega]

We know that the Light warriors that we've been following ( :bmage: , :rmage: , :thief: , :fighter: ) are the REAL light warriors now. However, I have a theory.

Chaos is not the reason "Destiny" or whatever gathered them together.

Rather, it was to contain BM.

Think about it: The Light Warriors drag down and hold back BM from pursuing his goals up until recently. I have put forth the theory: Everything Happens to Hurt BM, but it also happens to keep him alive.

BM in heaven or hell is too evil to be stopped. As such, the LW are there to keep him in a weak, limited vessel for his twisted black soul.

The cobbling gig means destiny really DID go on holiday, and we're FRUCKED.

[happy_turtle]

You know, that makes complete sense too. So in a way, it is more of a symbyotic relationship between the two. The LWs prevent BM from getting what he wants in a way that keeps him alive and thus preserving all humanity and BM helps the LW through their issues such as killing the Lich (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040318) and killin the squishy thingy (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=060311).

[MetalPsycho]

Is it possible that BM is the true evil of the universe, and that Chaos is, in truth, a backseater?

That's an interesting theory, honestly. It fits in a few ways.

[Mac]

Is it possible that BM is the true evil of the universe, and that Chaos is, in truth, a backseater?

That's an interesting theory, honestly. It fits in a few ways.


Good yes, but mind if I add to it. Thanks

What if BM is Chaos. BM wants power. He will do anything for power. So when Magus came down, he gave BM a boost in becoming Chaos. He saw that he was being stalled so he just needed some oomph.

When BM became Hellking, maybe that was the first step. He probably retained some power.

[pohatufan1]

Good yes, but mind if I add to it. Thanks

What if BM is Chaos. BM wants power. He will do anything for power. So when Magus came down, he gave BM a boost in becoming Chaos. He saw that he was being stalled so he just needed some oomph.

When BM became Hellking, maybe that was the first step. He probably retained some power.

I believe Mr. Clevinger has confirmed that no character is going to turn into Chaos. Not that I'd be willing to invest the effort to find his exact words on this matter, of course.

[happy_turtle]

Even without the confirmation by Brian, I do not believe that any character, including BM, would become Chaos because Chaos has apperently already been defined as a coherent member of reality as said here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010730). So unless BM is taking over, which I doubt because Magus would not help over throw someone stronger than him without cause that we would have seen by now.

[BlackMageFF1]

I just have a few words for all of you: Trained in the ways of cobbling, he is.

When did he ever get trained in cobbling? Either way, BM was destined to make shoes.

[happy_turtle]

Maybe that is how BM put himself through that evil school of his. You know, until he got kicked out.

[Elbodo]

I dunno. Mocassins are pretty easy to make. All you've got to do is cut a couple of pieces and stitch them together (learned how when I was a kid). The real question is: How'd he get that guy's face to cure into leather so fast?

[Knight McWarrior]

He Didn't

[happy_turtle]

Yeah...if it was leather...the eyes would have been all dried our and unrecognizeable(sp?)

[death_trooper]

How lovely

[iwishiknew]

Unlike many other Prestige Classes, becoming a black mage requires no outside training Is there a reason why he even went to blackmage school?

[bananarama]

Horray for going completely off topic!!!!

[Meister]

Hooray for getting on topic again!

[Fifthfiend]

Calloo and Callay!

Anyway, I'm partial to the notion that White Mage is more incompetent than Black Mage could ever hope to be. I mean, she got Black Belt killed, dessicated his corpse, damned the whole of existence right from the very moment of its inception... really, it's not a record to be proud of.

Nothing good can come of this, I tell you.

[iwishiknew]

True but Look at the real Light Warriors. A Ninja, a Knight, a White Sage (that correct?) and a Mime. It doesn't have a Blue Mage anywhere.

[Meister]

Mime? The Real Light Warriors are a Ninja, a Knight, a White Wizard and a Red Wizard. And anyway they're the actual Light Warriors of Destiny. The protagonists are just a bunch of guys who came along and beat them to the job. Now of course you can argue that this bunch of guys was meant, in a way, to be comprised of Thief, Fighter, Red Mage and White Mage, but the reason has everything to do with Black Mage manipulating the vote and very little with who is in a completely different group of adventurers. And besides, who wouldn't vote Black Mage out?

Consider this: without Black Mage, the Light Warriors, as in the protagonists, wouldn't exist in the first place. Fighter picked the quest for the Armor of Invincibility ("From now on I pick the adventures (http://nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010302)"), and it's already questionable if he would have returned if Black Mage hadn't killed the giant they met. Black Mage was the one who insisted he and Fighter go back to Corneria where they met Thief and Red Mage, and he was also the one who introduced White Mage to the group.

Fighter on his own would either have died at the hands feet of the giant or quested on for the Armor. He might have returned to Corneria at some point, but likely not at that specific point in time to meet Red Mage, Thief and White Mage. At this point the Real Light Warriors could even have filled the job already.

If fate plays a major role in this comic, Black Mage is definitely a catalyst of sorts. The question is to what ends.

[iwishiknew]

We could also say that Fighter was the one to do it. If he hadn't chosen the quest for the armor and if he hadn't given their money away he would of never met White mage, Red Mage, and Theif. We could say the same about many of that characters on there.

[byrd]

i think BM will join back up later but in the end they will beat chaos, but just to add more to the series BM stabs chaos in the head and takes all his poer thus ecoming even stronger then the hell leader BM and the LW where WM takes over for BM have to take down BM. and in there somewhere BM stabs fighter and he never comes back

[iwishiknew]

I do think fighter is going to die forever at some point and that BM or Theif (probally BM) will betray the other LWs plus WM at some point but I believe he will be killed before the final boss fight.

[Heliomance]

fighter can't die. He's invincible! How many times has BM tried to kill him? How many times has it worked? How competent is BM at killing normally? Exactly.

[greed]

fighter can't die. He's invincible! How many times has BM tried to kill him? How many times has it worked?

At least once. (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040529)

[byrd]

why would theif betray them? even though he and BM are the only ones who dont care about the save the world gig, this job is VVEERRYY profitable for him via contracts and life long slaves. the only person to have ever truly ousted theif is hell spawn BM.URL="http://nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040323"]as seen here[/URL] so theif has no motive because he's already in control, but if BM gets chaos' powerthen i can only say uh oh, hes already on the verge of world anniahalation as it is so it'll be in the LW's best intrest to stop him

and meister sorry it was early and im a sloppy typist as it is.

[Meister]

why would theif betray them even though he and BM are the only ones who dont care about the save the world gig this job is VVEERRYY proitable for him via contracts and life long slaves the only person to have ever truly ousted theif is hell spawn BM as seen here (http://nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040323) so theif has no motive he's in control but if BM get power like that hes already on the verge of world anniahalation itll be in the LW's best intrest to stop him
I will not bother to read that until there is some interpunction in it. We don't demand perfect Oxford English, but we do demand legibly written posts.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

fighter can't die. He's invincible! How many times has BM tried to kill him? How many times has it worked? How competent is BM at killing normally? Exactly.
Fighter isn't invincible. BM just can't kill him. There was, remember, that time when Fighter fell off the boat and was going to die, except it took a GOD to SHIFT REALITY to save him.