Sardic speculation

[Aebliss]

I have speculated before that Sarda might actually be the Red Mage of the future. Note that when he historically first appears, he says he used the last of his magical energies to make it to the beginning of time so he can set in motion some grand scheme. Presumably to be lord of the universe.
So, we know he doesn't have ultimate power over the universe, despite what he may claim. He just has a boatload of power and knowledge, so he can trick into people that he is in all-over charge.
How much power does he actually have? His first trick, when the lite warriors first met him, might just as easily have been a confusion spell. Despite his grandiose claims about holding parts of the universe still, he could as easily have teleported BM out of his cave. The horrible things he did to BM could just be black magic curses BM hadn't heard of yet. Making the deathtrap appear outside Circle Cave? Who says he wasn't just making faces to make people think he was doing something, when he was really stalling time while Akbar drove up a new - or the old - deathtrap as per a previous arrangement?
If Sarda is Red Mage from the future, he could just know enough to plan ahead, making himself seem more powerful while using means even the lite warriors could access.
Even if he isn't Red Mage, but just anyone from the future, he could be doing that. Heck, Red Mage might be Onion Kid from the future ... It'd explain why he likes hurting Black Mage so much.
Your opinions?

[BlackMageFF1]

If Onion Kid was Young RM and Sarda was old RM I would love this comic even more than I love taffy, and I'm a man who enjoys his taffy (mmmm... taffy...)

Sarda does kind of act like RM, anyway.

However, Akbar is not the supplier of the Deathtraps, the airship store is his only legitimate store. Jeff is the supplier of the Deathtraps.

[happy_turtle]

I can see Onion Kid being RM as a child because when you think about it, RM just appeared out of nowhere (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010526). It would also explain why it was so easy for Theif to plant the "daddy issues" in RM's head; there never was a long enough standing "daddy" for there to be coherent memory of RM's "daddy".

[Fifthfiend]

... You know, Sarda as master manipulator may actually be cooler than Sarda as all-powerful God-wizard.

[greed]

That's some very interesting spec there Aebliss, and your arguments about Sarda just being a very powerful liar, rather than an omnipotent jackass are compelling. RM is around Thief a lot, and that lying skill may have rubbed off a bit. Onion Kid --> Red Mage --> Sarda also would explain Sarda's hatred of BM and RM's complete madness.

[roguepornstar]

Yeh but if this is true then how would you explain
A: That Red Mage didnt recognise BM as his childhood taunter
and
B: His gaining of Sarda's power to manipulate reality itself as in episode 300 when he trys to create a reality where he could eat his dinner without having to prepare it (dispite how much the sounds like a classic RM plan)

... Im just asking is all :)

[happy_turtle]

A: Trauma often causes memories to be locked away in the inner-mechanisms of the brain and
B: Sarda (a.k.a future RM) could always write on his character sheet that he had the power to accomplish such a feat and as shown here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030429), these delusions do seem to have some effect on the world around them.

[Aebliss]

And C: He tried and failed. Which is a very RM-esque thing to do; concocting some convoluted scheme which fails. He has successes sometimes, but not always by far.

[ZAKtheGeek]

Yeah, here's a fun question: if RM is ROK, why does he coexist with his younger self?

[happy_turtle]

Well, that is a bit of a quandry. If in a sense, RM has no memory of his childhood due to severe trauma, then psychologicaly, RM and OK can exsist together because while they are the same being physically, they are two different beings in the concept on perception. The conciousness(sp?) has split in two creating two seperatly exsisting psyches. And everyone knows exsistence is only a perception of what is around you to begin with so by accepting that the other exsists, both psyches affirm each others exsistence even though they came from the same being in different times.

EDIT: That sounded alot smarter and simpler in my head...

[greed]

Not really. (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=011010)

The goal of all Red Mages is to "ascend" to a level of power where they define the game itself, breaking the rules to act as they will, RM merely bends them because he hasn't reached that level of power required to break them, yet.
An ascended being who breaks the rules of the universe by his sheer will alone for his own obscure and probably insane reasons, sounds like the final step for red mages and like Sarda to me.

[BlackMageFF1]

Just read epsiodes 685-689 over again, except this time, replace Sarda with RM. It fits almost perfectly (It would fit perfectly if the actual RM wasn't there)

It also explains why RM is the only Light Warrior Sarda gets along with.

As for RM being all about the quest, I think the omega point of this passion is actually giving the quest. And if Sarda was BM, Sarda would be very different. Also, that would conflict with the theory that the whole Universe exists to work against Black Mage, which has been proven several times, mind you.

Yes, Onion Kid=Red Mage=Sarda FTW

[Art of Hilt]

... if that's so, then why does Sarda keep trying to kill the Light Warriors? I mean, RM is always with the rest of the Warriors everytime some life-threatening thing happened, like the crashing of the Airship followed by Sarda going "Drat, they're still alive".

[happy_turtle]

Maybe just like the case which why RM has no memory of being Ok, Sarda has no memory as being RM. So to Sarda, they are just insolent warriors he is trying to off so he can get back to his unprepared dinner scheme. I believe I have already explained how you can exsist wiht yourself right here (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=14459).

[JONJONAUG]

Sarda doesn't hate BM (seeing as he was willing to spend centuries trying to explain something to him). He just finds it funny to get someone to puke their guts out backwards. It's just that BM practically goes out of his way just to earn a swift yet strange attack from Sarda.

...and the first post makes no sense. As I doubt the taffy-filling or the gut-barf things would work like that. And the "drat" comment is probably because Sarda knows that, as a Sage, he is SUPPOSED to help them. He does, but only as far as necessary so that the word "help" is qualified. And if he WANTED to kill them, he could of just killed Black Mage after BM killed everyone else the first time they met Sarda.

[Solid Snake]

Sarda could be an older RM, but I don't think RM could be an older Onion Kid.

Onion Kid after all continually loses his parents. We've seen a young RM interact with his family. If I remember correctly, that's how Thief was able to manipulate RM into thinking that his crossdressing issues stemmed from fatherly unlove.

[happy_turtle]

Yeah the whole OK -> RM wasn't really an idea while even though it would work, I don't see it happening.

[death_trooper]

Well, that is a bit of a quandry. If in a sense, RM has no memory of his childhood due to severe trauma, then psychologicaly, RM and OK can exsist together because while they are the same being physically, they are two different beings in the concept on perception. The conciousness(sp?) has split in two creating two seperatly exsisting psyches. And everyone knows exsistence is only a perception of what is around you to begin with so by accepting that the other exsists, both psyches affirm each others exsistence even though they came from the same being in different times.

EDIT: That sounded alot smarter and simpler in my head...
....
..Whoop..
There we go...
...My brain just stopped...

[Swiftbow]

However, Akbar is not the supplier of the Deathtraps, the airship store is his only legitimate store. Jeff is the supplier of the Deathtraps.

How do you figure that? The "airship" WM and BB bought was a bicycle with propellors, if I recall correctly.

I also still lean toward the "Sarda is Chaos" theory... mostly because the guy rivals BM in terms of sheer bastardness.

[byrd]

i think this is how the family tree breaks down
:bmage:+:wmage:= OK sent back in time (For Reasoning (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=13811&page=10)) OK}RM who got caught in a parrelell (sp?) dimension thus throwing him back in time to meet up w/ the LW. but it erased his memory of child hood exept for the RM training. then lived out his life and near his death bent the rules around his on mortality. thus becoming all powerful. then he went back in time but beaten there by WM gets stuck and remembers his child hood thus remembering his hatred for BM. which is hy he is pretendin to give him great power , but once he earns it not give him any thing.


any way that sounded way better in my head.

[Salookanana]

I have a theory which explains how Sarda can do anything, including using blue magic.

He is a plot hole wizard; all things that make no sense are attributed to him. After all, Sarda is the wizard that did it. He is the source of all inconsistancies and plot holes. I'd say that's pretty damn chaotic, hence why blue magic works with him and his spells. So what if it violates physics/mathmatics/reality/time/etc. He is a WIZARD.

Did you know his ultimate weapon is the continuity cannon? It has +10 against fanboys and fact checkers.

[superluser]

B: His gaining of Sarda's power to manipulate reality itself as in episode 300 when he trys to create a reality where he could eat his dinner without having to prepare it (dispite how much the sounds like a classic RM plan)

I'm not sure that that is Sarda. The sprites (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=030626) are different (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=041223).

[Meister]

But the major characteristics are the same, and who but Sarda would do that?

[superluser]

But the major characteristics are the same, and who but Sarda would do that?

Well, he's got a different color cloak, a scepter, and some sort of white sash... looks like he might be different.

Besides, wasn't there a whole circle of 12 sages (http://www.warmech.net/special/ff1foma/comparison/circle-nes.gif)?

Isn't it possible that this is one of the other 11 sages? I'm not gonna say that it isn't Sarda, but I can't be sure that it is him, without some sort of confirmation from Brian.

[PyrosNine]

Sarda wasn't with the circle of sages.

Theoretically, that sage could have been Sarda before he went back to the beginning of the universe.

Cuz, Y'know, a time mage would be the best at going back in time to the beginning of the universe....

[superluser]

Sarda wasn't with the circle of sages.

Theoretically, that sage could have been Sarda before he went back to the beginning of the universe.

Cuz, Y'know, a time mage would be the best at going back in time to the beginning of the universe....

Naw. That's Yet Another Sprite (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=041230).

He would have had to have shaven off his moustache, then grown a new one.