Civil War OMG TEH SPOILERZZZ

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Is it true? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060614/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentusbookscomicsspiderman_06061415300 3) Huh? Is it? If I were supporting the Civil War I could verify, but after House of Suck I decided no more Marvel, 'cept Astonishing and Ultimate X-Mens. So, does Spidey really do it?

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Is it true? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060614/ennew_afp/afpentertainmentusbookscomicsspiderman_06061415300 3) Huh? Is it? If I were supporting the Civil War I could verify, but after House of Suck I decided no more Marvel, 'cept Astonishing and Ultimate X-Mens. So, does Spidey really do it?

....the comic books premise sounds EXACTLY like 'The Incredibles'.

Also its about time a comic book person revealed their identity. I knew it would happen sooner or later. But its going to anger a bunch of fans.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I think Daredevil made his identity public, and I'm pretty sure that everyone knows Iron Man is Tony Stark, so it isn't like it's unprecedented. It just seems really freakin' out of character for Spidey since he has a family.

[Tyler-The-Wizard]

I think Spider-Man moved Aunt May and Mary Jane into the Avengers Mansion, didn't he?

Honestly though, I think it is an inevitability that Spider-Man has to have changes happen in his life. His identity will no longer be secret and the world will know that Peter parker, the photographer who could always get pictures of Spider-Man, was him all along. On the plus side, now he has to deal with the ramifications of the world knowing who he is. I forsee lots of good villain fights.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I forsee a possible retcon very soon. Marvel doesn't let interesting things happen; that's why House of You Know What only served to remove all the really really minor characters from the books. So we could focus more on Wolverine.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

I think Daredevil made his identity public, and I'm pretty sure that everyone knows Iron Man is Tony Stark, so it isn't like it's unprecedented. It just seems really freakin' out of character for Spidey since he has a family.

Its not completely new, but they always made a big deal about it for the BIG guys (Spidey, The Bats, Deflect Bullets man, etc) that they neve could show their identity. Divoting many episodes/books to them 'almost' having it happen or some villian at their throat about todemask them. "Who is the real Batman!"

One of the reasons I always thought X-Men was good (at least wehat little I've seen of it) was that most people knew who the mutants were. They didn't try to hide it and had to deal with anyone who wanted to find them.

I know if I ever made a superhero, they'd have their identity revealed in the second issue. Then again, my comic book hero would probably be a manga character and probably be a wanna-be super hero who was trying to become one but botched up her second job (after a successful lucky first one) and ended up revealing her identity.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Batman will never ever have his identity revealed. It will never happen. Ever. Spider-Man will regret this decision.

Know what? Apparently there's a rumour that the new Exiles roster is gonna consist of six different Wolverines. This would piss me off beyond anyone's imagination.

But on topic, If I wrote comics (which I hope to do) I would probably reveal their identities too, just to get that out of the way.

[Fifthfiend]

This right here? This is why I quit comic books.

Fuck paying three dollars an issue so Bald Motherfucker Bendis can indulge his unmasking-Spider-Man fetish.

Stan Lee is going to dig up Ditko's grave just so the two of them can spin around in it together.

I know if I ever made a superhero, they'd have their identity revealed in the second issue. Then again, my comic book hero would probably be a manga character and probably be a wanna-be super hero who was trying to become one but botched up her second job (after a successful lucky first one) and ended up revealing her identity.

Congratulations, you're the new writer for Spider-Man, after that you'll have a great run on Superman, then maybe they'll let you write Batman except you have to promise you'll also make him act like an asshole for no apparent reason.

Lord knows the last thing anyone wants to see is a super-hero comic book where anyone acts super or heroic.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Damn you Fifthfiend. Damn you and your providing sig-worthy things every time you post. Damn you.

[Fifthfiend]

I'm just so gosh-darn special!

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I'm just so gosh-darn special!
Point and match.

[FunkyBlackMage]

What the FUCK? Spider-Man reveals his identity? BS, he would never do that!
He has too much at stake: Mary Jane, Aunt May, and various friends. Man, I'm pissed at Marvel. :stressed:

[The Wandering God]

So....

Peter Parkerman.

Damn, is Fifthfiend psychic or what? (Yeah, I know, you linked the comic, but you guys can both be psychic.)

Still, at least now people will quit bitching about the Spiderman 2... Then again, maybe not.

The Wandering God

P.S. Besides, they could always just go back and change it later. Ya know, like people dying.

[Tyler-The-Wizard]

http://www.angryzenmaster.com/wp-content/CivilWar5Cover.jpg

Ouch.

[FunkyBlackMage]

Yeah...but two of the villians in that shot (Green Goblin and ScorpoVenom) already knew Spidey's identity. Marvel's kinda wimping out with the whole reveal.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Stark really shoulda made Spidey's suit out of indestructible nano-bots.

[gurusloth]

But, Roy, Spidey's new suit is made out of nano-bots...

Oh, wait. That was sarcasm, right?

On topic, I think the whole identity reveal is a bold plot move for the whole Civil War thing (if they don't back out later and dose everyone on Earth with amnesia dust). I think it's ballsy and it shows how dedicated Peter is, both to the idea of helping people and to upholding the law of the land, that he's willing to risk his identity and his family in order to legally remain a crime-fighter.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

But, Roy, Spidey's new suit is made out of nano-bots...

Oh, wait. That was sarcasm, right?

On topic, I think the whole identity reveal is a bold plot move for the whole Civil War thing (if they don't back out later and dose everyone on Earth with amnesia dust). I think it's ballsy and it shows how dedicated Peter is, both to the idea of helping people and to upholding the law of the land, that he's willing to risk his identity and his family in order to legally remain a crime-fighter.
Yes, yes it was.

The Registration Act is wrong. Everyone thought it was wrong when it was just the Mutant Registration Act. Why should this be any different?

[Archbio]

Because it makes less sense and is very hard to couch in terms internal to the story?

[Burkion]

Where are the God damned heroes?

I don't want to read about some whiney bitch manboy who's trying to juggle a life with crime fighting, and FAILING, I don't wanna read about some asshole who's forgotten why he even started dressing up as a goddamned rodent.

I want to read about some one who can take a fucking mountain to the chest, get shot, stabbed, beaten, and tossed into the sun, and STILL kick the ass of the villian, be home before supper, and make a joke about it.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Where are the God damned heroes?

I don't want to read about some whiney bitch manboy who's trying to juggle a life with crime fighting, and FAILING, I don't wanna read about some asshole who's forgotten why he even started dressing up as a goddamned rodent.

I want to read about some one who can take a fucking mountain to the chest, get shot, stabbed, beaten, and tossed into the sun, and STILL kick the ass of the villian, be home before supper, and make a joke about it.
What you want is pre-Crisis Superman, only with a sense of humor.

[Burkion]

Hell, I'd settle for goddamned Super Friends Super Man.

Or Animated Supes.

Or Doctor Who.

[Fifthfiend]

What you want is pre-Crisis Superman, only with a sense of humor.

Pre Crisis Supes totally had a sense of humor.

I mean come on, guys, giant key! How is that not hilarious?!

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Well, but I don't think it was meant to be funny...

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Congratulations, you're the new writer for Spider-Man, after that you'll have a great run on Superman, then maybe they'll let you write Batman except you have to promise you'll also make him act like an asshole for no apparent reason.

Lord knows the last thing anyone wants to see is a super-hero comic book where anyone acts super or heroic.

Lord knows not everyone agrees with what you think is best for a comic book.

As my story wouldn't be a comic book, but something else. I grew tired of 'super heroes' back when I WAS a kid. But growing out of them made me appreciate the X-men, Batman and various others who never needed to hide their identity or be able to lift buildings.

There's nothing wrong with therebeing different genres. Yes, its not great that they did it to Spider Man of all people (that's going to kill him later and they'll probably have some time crap where he fixed it in a later series). But I think you're taking your views on what happened to 1 super hero kinda strong...

Far beit for anyone to actually like the idea of an 80 year old (not counting 2000 years of novel literature) recycled cliche gets changed and peoples identities don't ALWAYS stay hidden.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Hidden identities are part of the allure of comics, though. There were all those storylines where villians had to beat the shit out of Spidey to get to his identity and now it all seems like a waste. I mean, damn, even in The Other (the storyline) Captain America and Iron Man were dedicated to protecting Spider-Man's identity. It just...it just ruins the heroes' mystique when their identities are known. (No 'mystique' pun intended.) You lose the way it feels when characters in the book are wondering who their masked saviour is and you know. You lose a feeling of uniqueness.

[Kenryoku_Maxis]

Oh, I agree. And Spider Man is one of the worst to have done this. I'm just saying at the same time we shouldn't knock the idea of a super hero (or any comic/manga character who starts off with a secret identity) losing their identity. It CAN be a powerful story telling device if done correctly. Obviously some aren't going to be good choices however (like Spider Man or say, Clark Kent).

That's how I was trying to bring up with my previous example. I guess I should have told you the other half of it. Because this is a serious idea I've had. The person (probably a girl) wants to become a super hero idolizing comics and goes and tires to do it. Yadda yadda her first few missions are a big success and all the villians turn to realize she's a big threat. The OTHER half is that she then turns around and botches up one job and everyone learns what her identity is. Suddenly, all the villians are coming after her, instead of the other way around. What starts off as a comedic wannabe heroine who you begin to enjoy reading about as she fulfills her dream and has fun catching criminls suddenly turns into a darker story where she has to start defending herself from many of the others who were in league or knew the crime bosses she put in prison. Her family, friends and her own life are put in jepoardy and the series takes on a more realistic approach and she becomes a real life hero the hard way.

Sorry for the shameful self-promotion of what I think is a cool idea and thanks to anyone who read it.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

See, that's a nifty idea. Thing is, what I think fifthfiend was complaining about was that this is goddamned Spider-Man! Most of every single comic is Spidey trying real hard not to give himself away. If they had revealed his identity in a way that was plot-related, like in your example where that is what the plot revolves around, then okay. But this was just...sorta done without explanation.

[EVILNess]

Batman will never ever have his identity revealed. It will never happen. Ever. Spider-Man will regret this decision.

Know what? Apparently there's a rumour that the new Exiles roster is gonna consist of six different Wolverines. This would piss me off beyond anyone's imagination.

But on topic, If I wrote comics (which I hope to do) I would probably reveal their identities too, just to get that out of the way.

first, I agree, he will regret it.

Second, one of the 6 wolverines is gonna be this sucker(See picture). Well, supposedly. It he is I will probably read it. (I am fasicnated by zombies:stressed:)

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Damn it! No, Exiles writer guy! It's possible that you've been paying too much attention to every other non-ultimate book out there and have forgotten what good writing is like. Lemme help you! Wolverine BAD!

[PraetorZorak]

...have any of you actually been following (reading) the civil war line, or are just complaining about some events in it? It's an honest question.

[Archbio]

I'm certainly not following the whole thing. Some things can be known while staying at a respectable distance from the offending piece of art.

[gurusloth]

I've been following it, as I am a Marvel whore. Excelsior!

Actually, I'm not that bad. I'm definitely not buying every Civil War related title. But it seems that a lot of the comics I'm buying right now are Marvel titles. (Powers, Squadron Supreme, Astonishing X-Men, Runaways, New Avengers, Ultimates, etc.)

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I'm buying the Civil War books themselves, the seven-part miniseries. Fuck paying ninety skillion dollars to buy every singel Civil-War-related title. After I read Civil War 1, I could really see either side. Turning superheroes into a police force would relegate them to the JLA style of things, really. But making them official would be nice. Problem is, the X-Men would never be allowed to pass the class, or whatever the hell, because they're mutants.

Know what else pisses me off? In Civil War 1, Spider-Man is against the Registration Act and having to reveal his identity, and then he pulls this crap. I mean, what?

[FunkyBlackMage]

I only buy the trades, so I've been following the story via internet.

Know what else pisses me off? In Civil War 1, Spider-Man is against the Registration Act and having to reveal his identity, and then he pulls this crap. I mean, what?

He's a flip-flopper!

[Roy_D_Mylote]

He's a flip-flopper!

Heehee.

I wanna know what side Iceman is on, because that'll be the side I'm on.

[FunkyBlackMage]

I'm guessing anti-legislation because it's alot like the Mutant Registration Act.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Yeah. Iceman and Captain America on the same team would be teh roxxorz. CA, Iceman, Wolverine, Daredevil, Nick Fury (who saw that coming?), Doc Strange...that's a winning team.

John Jameson and JJJ are on opposite sides of this debate, I see. That's cool. I want to see them argue about it.

[Witness1]

...have any of you actually been following (reading) the civil war line, or are just complaining about some events in it? It's an honest question.

I don’t mean to sound like a hater, but looking threw these 4 pages, I don’t think anybody has.

I feel I need to set some of you people striate.

Daredevil has not given his secret identity; he is on Captain America's side.

Peter Parker, Aunt May and Mary Jane are living in an apartment paid by Tony Starke. The Avenger Mansion was destroyed.

The Super-Hero Registration act is not bad, nor is it good. That’s part of the whole point of this story.

The all Wolverine Exiles is as far as I know, just a rumor. There was a big comic-industry convention not to long ago and nothing like that was announced. But even if it is true, I dought they will use the Zombie Universe Wolverine. Because A) He is evil, B)He is Galatcus and C) He is a zombie.

Last time I checked Ice-man lost his powers after the House of M storyline.

Now about Civil War:

Wow, Mark Millar has done it again! This is the probably the most important comic of the year. Millar is doing a wonderful job of mixing all the past events and forcing the Marvel Universe (not just the Super Heroes) to deal with it. It’s great Civil Liberties vs. Civil Comfort story and its outcomes are going to be powerful. What I like most about Civil War is how Millar is portraying Captain American and Iron Man, if there are any bad guys in this story its going to be them. They are both so hard line that it is impossible for either them to see different views and everyone else (especially Spider-Man) is paying for it.

Its just wonderful stuff, even if you only collect trade paper backs you should pick this up by the issue. You don’t know what you’re missing.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Iceman did not lose his powers, he was just repressing them because of some sort of mental trauma He now has use of them just as much as he had before. . EDIT: Wikipedia seems to agree: "After the events of the House of M, Iceman apparently lost his mutant powers, but it was later revealed that he was suppressing them." (http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceman_(comics)) On the Daredevil thing, okay, I wasn't sure. I knew that Pete and MJ and Aunt May were in an apartment. And I think the registration act is bad. It doesn't have to be, I just think it is.

[FunkyBlackMage]

Last time I checked Ice-man lost his powers after the House of M storyline.

Actually, they retconned that. Turns out the ability was "locked in his mind" and Emma Frost released it.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Actually, they retconned that. Turns out the ability was "locked in his mind" and Emma Frost released it.
Like I said, like I said. Do you really think I would be reading Marvel if they screwed up Iceman? Last DC book I bought was Countdown to Infinite Crisis. They killed the Blue Beetle. I stopped reading DC.

[FunkyBlackMage]

Like I said, like I said. Do you really think I would be reading Marvel if they screwed up Iceman? Last DC book I bought was Countdown to Infinite Crisis. They killed the Blue Beetle. I stopped reading DC.

Really? I've heard the current Batman and Superman runs are awesome. I almost stopped reading Marvel when Spider-Man revealed himself, so I can see where you're coming from, but...

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Really? I've heard the current Batman and Superman runs are awesome. I almost stopped reading Marvel when Spider-Man revealed himself, so I can see where you're coming from, but...
No. I'm protesting the senseless death of one of their most underrated characters. I don't see why they chose BB to die. It's not like the new BB is any cooler.

[FunkyBlackMage]

Yeah, I have to agree with you there. When you get down to it, it's all about money.

[Fifthfiend]

Lord knows not everyone agrees with what you think is best for a comic book.

Oh God, settle down.

Nobody said there was anything wrong with your horrible comic book idea, all I said was, well, you're too late, because every single other comic book is already using your horrible, horrible comic book idea.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Oh God, settle down.

Nobody said there was anything wrong with your horrible comic book idea, all I said was, well, you're too late, because every single other comic book is already using your horrible, horrible comic book idea.
Come now, fair fifthfiend, don't crush a young mortal's dreams. 'Tisn't nice.

[Fifthfiend]

'Tisn't nice.

I don't believe we've met before, I'm fifthfiend. And you are?

[The Wandering God]

Don't mind Fifthfiend. He just gets uppity when it comes to fictional stories told in picture form printed out on a regular basis.

Also, why is Wolverine AGAINST the act? What secret identity does he have left?

Also, what do the superheros in other countries think of this? Not all of them live in the U.S. of A.

The Wandering God

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I don't believe we've met before, I'm fifthfiend. And you are?
Oh. Yeah. Sorry. I'm Stupid. Nice to meet you.

TWG: Wolverine is, I believe, against it on principle. It's too similiar to the Mutant Registration Act, which was a thing of oppresion.

[Fifthfiend]

I'll tell you why Wolverine is against it, is Wolverine wakes up in the morning and asks himself, hey, I wonder what Captain America is for, today? And then he finds out, and he says, all right, that. I'm against that.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Wolvie and the Cap are on the same side.

[Fifthfiend]

Eh? I thought Cap was supposed to be for it.

Ah well, that'll happen.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Nah. The leaders are Cap against, Iron Man for.

[Burkion]

Wait, Logan and Cap'n are on the same side?

...OK, I'm going to fire bomb Marvel. Anyone else coming?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Apparently in Front Lines, Iron Man reveals his identity. I didn't know this, although I don't think it has the same effect as Peter doing it.

[Forrester]

He did, it doesn't, and Spider-man's already regretting it by now. Especially considering he's already had a gun pulled on him in front of Mj.

[Althane]

Ok, pulling a gun on Peter Parker, meh, you just think he's a normal guy.

Pulling a gun on Peter Parker, who you know is Spiderman?

That's just stupid. Like, beyond reason stupid. Who the hell picks a fight with a superhero, especially in front of their wife, and EXPECTS TO LIVE?

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Which book is the one where Pete gets a gun pulled on him?

[Forrester]

Amazing Spider-Man 533

Oh the guy lives... Loses a finger and a half and threatens to sue, alongside the Daily Bugle, but he lives alright.

[Roy_D_Mylote]

Well I don't read Amazing Spider-Man, so I'll never see that, will I? I read Exiles sometimes, Astonishing X-Men, X-Men on occasion, Frontlines, and Civil War. And Ultimate X-Men.

[Heliomance]

It's no big deal, Spiderman revealing who he is. All his villians know already.