View Full Version : What do you think Chaos is?
greed
05-04-2006, 10:02 AM
Sarda,BM, Onion Kid....
A lot of people have been posting their theories about who Chaos is in the different episode threads so after doing a search and not finding a similar thread, I thought I'd make a thread just for it.:)
From memory Kurosen said something along the lines of him not being sure who Chaos is if anyone.So if you don't think Chaos is anyone other than a demon-god called Chaos post that too.
I believe it's King Steve because he is the perfect blend of mindless yet malevolent chaos and destruction.
Sky Warrior Bob
05-04-2006, 12:12 PM
Chaos is orangy-yellow, and that's pretty much all I know. I mean, honestly why do so many people assume he's a character that's already been introduced? Can't Chaos be a character in of himself? I mean, we haven't met all the Fiends yet, why isn't anyone suggesting Tiamat is the old man in the blue hat who stole all of Fighter's money...
SWB
Bobbey
05-04-2006, 12:54 PM
You know what? I was just thinking about this this very morning...and I don't know why, but I just have this hunch that Onion Kid might be Chaos, just building up with every hit BM does to him...either that or Onion Kid will surely need some psychological therapy when he grows older....:P
willyolio
05-04-2006, 02:58 PM
you know, onion kid being chaos in the future doesn't seem that odd. i mean, chaos more or less rules the universe, and the universe seems to be bent on making black mage suffer.
Long-Haired Narcissist
05-04-2006, 06:25 PM
Chaos is orangy-yellow, and that's pretty much all I know. I mean, honestly why do so many people assume he's a character that's already been introduced? Can't Chaos be a character in of himself? I mean, we haven't met all the Fiends yet, why isn't anyone suggesting Tiamat is the old man in the blue hat who stole all of Fighter's money...
Because in the original game, Chaos turned out to be Garland at the very end
Black Sword
05-04-2006, 06:30 PM
In the original game, Thief was the one who was taking an enforced nap. Basically, don't really count on the game for anything else than a basic idea of what may happen. But if anyone becames Chaos, my money is on Black Mage. He is so evil, he became the Hell King, and how much of a step is it to go from Hell King to the God of Evil?
Kila_angel
05-04-2006, 06:41 PM
I'd be surprised if Fighter was Chaos. I mean, he can be pretty stupid *sometimes*.
Number 81
05-04-2006, 06:46 PM
Chaos is orangy-yellow, and that's pretty much all I know. I mean, honestly why do so many people assume he's a character that's already been introduced? Can't Chaos be a character in of himself? I mean, we haven't met all the Fiends yet, why isn't anyone suggesting Tiamat is the old man in the blue hat who stole all of Fighter's money...
SWB
Well, Brian did kind of half-hint at someone transforming into something (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showpost.php?p=306500&postcount=29) in this (http://forum.nuklearpower.com/showthread.php?t=10870)thread about Chaos.
Takari
05-05-2006, 12:05 AM
I of course have my own Chaos theory. Pardon me if this has been suggested before, I haven't been in the forums for but a short while.
Like many people have said, BM appears to be Chaos, yet... it's also too obvious at the same time... One thing I can't help but think of is the transformation of Cecil in FFIV... His purification where he becomes a Paladin...
What if BM isn't Chaos, but rather, the seed of Chaos has been planted inside him and is growing?
He has gotten Blue Magic now, which allows him to absorb the fragments of Chaos. Now correct me if I'm wrong... but fragments, aren't those usually small pieces of something broken? BM can't be Chaos obviously because the fragments of Chaos are scattered across the world as monsters.
But BM can have the seed or heart of Chaos inside him, and now with his Blue Magic, is slowly (and unknowingly), reassembling Chaos inside of him.
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Now, what happens? What if, eventually, BM becomes... dare I say it? Purified? He splits into two beings, BM and Chaos. The evil ripped from his body (most likely by the combined light of the 4 crystals), BM becomes pure and good. BM is suddenly, a real warrior of Light (a 2nd class change of sorts). At the same time, he'd also be the womb from which Chaos sprang forth.
That is BM's job, he is the womb for which Chaos is growing and rebuilding itself.
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Look at Brian's Nuklear Power. (highlight for end of book spoilers) Nuke most certainly went through a purification of sorts, where he lost his stupidity and became a true hero as a result. And let's not forget Brian's ultimate definition of a joke, that is, something turning out other than it is expected to. And that his whole book was a setup for the very sad ending which was, in his opinion, the ultimate punchline for a funny book. It would most certianly be patternistic of Brian to do something similar with BM and thus BM lose his evilness just like Nuke lost his stupidity and become a real hero...
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You'll have to excuse me, this theory was dragged out of me at midnight after a long days work, and is largely based off of the plotline of season's 2 and 4 of Digimon, in season 2 where spores (seeds) were planted in children to harvest their youthful strength, and season 4 where Lucemon lay dorment in the core of the earth (or inside BM in this case) while minions collected up enough energy for his ressurection.
greed
05-05-2006, 12:22 AM
^ Interesting
I can see Fighter treating BM like a new mum after Chaos is "born". A good version of BM could be called Grey Mage for his second class change.
cheezewizz2000
05-05-2006, 01:53 AM
I point you towards this (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010707) comic.
Chaos is merely a summon.
greed
05-05-2006, 02:19 AM
Missed that one, then again it is Garland saying it, and summons have to have origns of their own don't they?
Someone could become Chaos and be sealed away because of it, necessitating Garland or someone summoning it, or maybe a sacrifice like EPS or BM is needed for Chaos to incarnate as, when summoned.
Jared Todd
05-05-2006, 06:28 AM
Something tells me that Evil Princess Sara will be involved.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e40/jaremiah_todd/queenofthemonsterous.png <-- OoOoOh, evul and cool!
I think Garland knows how to summon Chaos (as comes from FF1). Maybe Sara learned the spell from one of his books and summons Chaos first? Like in FF1, though, Chaos becomes its summoner and its summoner becomes Chaos. Boom, done. BM tries to join Sara, but Sara strikes him down, and goes off to destroy. After, when the Lightbulb Warriors confront Sara, BM finds some way to absorb Chaos back into himself because he still has the power, and forces Chaos out of Sara's body, returning her to normal, and BM becomes Chaos. BM weakens Chaos with his morals (which he has hidden deep inside), and the Lightbulb Warriors kill BM, which, in turn, kills Chaos. BM explains to Fighter that he knew this would happen all along, and either dies, or WM heals him.
I've said the whole time, that damned comic between BM and Fighter (it can only be BM and Fighter, since BM's hellking font is yellow and red, and Fighter's colors are red and black (as seen in as an example in that comic where they became dwarves and Fighter's armor was red and marroon, and Red Mage's armor was red and white.)) is when BM dies, and I'll stick by that..!!
Martamania
05-05-2006, 06:38 AM
For some strange unexplainable reason, I have the feeling it is the platypus seen back during the fight with Drizz'l'. I don't know, it seems like the kind of thing Brian would do to completely shock everyone.
Takari
05-05-2006, 09:36 AM
I've said the whole time, that damned comic between BM and Fighter (it can only be BM and Fighter, since BM's hellking font is yellow and red, and Fighter's colors are red and black (as seen in as an example in that comic where they became dwarves and Fighter's armor was red and marroon, and Red Mage's armor was red and white.)) is when BM dies, and I'll stick by that..!![/color]
Quite a few times though, we see BM talking to nobody in a two way conversation. Not that he's talking to himself, but having a full two way conversation. True BM and the seed of Chaos, a poisonous influence in his mind which is rooting itself in him as a second identity which feeds evil ideas into his thoughts.
Brad Manley
05-05-2006, 11:50 PM
It could be Barry, he doesn't seem to the most good person.
Running an evil correspondance school. http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010711
And then making sure that the real light warriors progress is impared
http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=050412
I can't quite remember any other times they blame him.
Unless that's a different Barry.
Seran
05-06-2006, 12:07 AM
I think Thief used the name Barry as a fake alias to a false identity. Same with Black Mage in the more earlier comics. In fact, "Barry" occurs on an unusually common occasion, or at least it hat over the comic's past episodes...
Tk-421
05-06-2006, 03:56 PM
I think that it might actually be Sarda who'll turn into Chaos. He's making the group get him all four orbs. What's Sarda going to do with all four orbs? I have no clue. Maybe his power has a little limitation and he needs all the orbs to have total control of everything. Maybe he'll just seal them away so they'll never be stolen again. Meh, I just have the nagging feeling that Sarda will become Chaos, and I realize that there's a lot of holes in this theory that could probably prove otherwise.
Ryong
05-06-2006, 04:44 PM
Given what Sarda can do, if he was supposed to be chaos, he'd already have turned into it if it had something to do with the orbs.He did live for quite a lot of time and since he's an omnijerk I think he created the orbs himself.He's a god, is there something that he can't do?I doubt so.And about Chaos, I think Garland will end up summoning him, but somehow, Chaos will be summoned in garland's body and garland will have an inner conflict with Chaos, since garland is just almost evil.
Burkion
05-06-2006, 06:20 PM
It's Red Mage. Think about it: it just is.
Ryong
05-06-2006, 09:09 PM
That led me to think that maybe, RM will have a flaw in his character sheet that will cause him to think he's chaos, and since he'll fake knowledge at being chaos, he'll end up being chaos.That makes perfect RM sense.
I can so see BM being the womb and in the end, the purified BM and the lite warriors have to fight Chaos. Both BM and Chaos would be weakened because they basically cut their power in half, but BM would still retain enough power to strike at Chaos.
Ryong
05-08-2006, 08:55 PM
A light-based BM wouldn't be able to use any of his blue magic ( since he received the class-change from an evil god ) and hadouken ( since it uses love and a light-based BM would think siphoning love from the universe is extremely bad ).
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