*80's guitar* Transformers!

[Mirai Gen]

Alright. As taken by my avatar I've gone Transformers Crazy again. I'm halfway through Season 1 of G1 Transformers. I already watched Beast Wars:Transformers and I managed a few episodes of Beast Machines, even though I mostly didn't want to.

I'm just curious who else got a real kick out of Transformers. Pick your favorite anythings from it, and discuss. G1? Sure. Transformers: Energon? Go for it. Beast Wars? Yeah. Beast Machi-

Okay maybe not everything.

I've always been impartial to Rattrap and Blackarachnia ala Beast Wars. Their wit was just hysterical at times, and could make some of the best conflicts. I also laughed anytime Dinobot and Rattrap argued.

Depth Charge was a badass, and Silverbolt could be downright corny (but hilarious) at times.

Please. Discuss.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I just bet you're eagerly awaiting the Masterpiece Starscream, aren't you? To go right along with your Masterpiece Op Prime. Oh, and do you have all the World's Smallest Transformers?

http://www.digital-toys.com/transformers.html

In terms of story, I liked Beast Wars season 2-Beast Machines season 1. (Hey, say what you will of BM, but season 1 wasn't all that bad, it was only in season 2 that the story got all stupid).

Just for style & look, I'd say I'm a fan of the TF show in which two Autobots could combine. Never really watched it, but when flipping the channels I used to think it was neat looking. Then of course, once I started paying attention to the plot, I felt the need to soak my head in acid (the sulfuric kind, not the kind that gets you all trippy), and quickly changed the channel.

SWB

[Fifthfiend]

The one thing that bothered me about Beast Wars was the more Optimus Primal got upgraded, the more he seemed to get his ass handed to him, and the more the wins he did pull out seemed to be random dumb luck. Like you know, he'd be fighting Megatron and Megs'd fuck him up, and then Dinobot'd show up out of nowhere and save his ass, or a boulder would come out of nowhere and land on Megs, or whatever.

That one gripe aside, it was probably the best cartoon ever made.

Also I was a big Rhinox fan, I don't think he gets near the credit he deserves.

[Azisien]

Transformers: The Movie is easily one of the best animated features ever created by man (as opposed to by, like, moonbeasts, which beat us in everything).

I watched most of the Beast Wars series, and I thought it was pretty funny. My favorite part will always be...well, I can't really remember the characters now, but it was one bot from each side, and for some reason they were having temper glitches. They get into a fight and at the climax the dim-witted waspbot says something like "Are we there yet?" They both scream "SHUUUT UPPP!" and you get a first person view of wasp...WASPINATOR being punched in the face. So great... *tear*

[Lucis]

Been a fan of Transformers as long as I can remember. My favorite will always be Starscream, because he was once a minor Decepticon, who worked his way up to main villain status, and for whatever reason, he REFUSES TO STAY DEAD. I like persistent, psychotic villains like him.

Megatron, I'm not so fond of. He's always been at the top of the heap, it seems, and wasn't he, in his first incarnation, nothing more than Soundwave's gun when transformed? My memory's hazy on that. I hardly remember Galvatron at all. Of the Beast Wars Transformers, I kinda liked Terrorsaur (sp), especially in the episode where he found the mother lode of unstable Energon and proceeded to kick all ass with it.

On the Autobot/Maximal side, kudos to whoever designed Rattrap. He was freakin' hilarious, though horrendously underutilized. Yeah, he was the comic-relief guy of the series, but at the very least they could have made him useful more often.

*sigh* I need to get back into the series

[Mirai Gen]

The one thing that bothered me about Beast Wars was the more Optimus Primal got upgraded, the more he seemed to get his ass handed to him, and the more the wins he did pull out seemed to be random dumb luck. Like you know, he'd be fighting Megatron and Megs'd fuck him up, and then Dinobot'd show up out of nowhere and save his ass, or a boulder would come out of nowhere and land on Megs, or whatever.
I'd wholeheartedly agree. I got irritated in how every episode except the first one, after he gets his Optimal Optimus body, he never kicks ass.

Take a look at Feral Scream Part 2 for example (Transmetal 2 Cheetor). ONE BLAST from Dinobot 2's eye-beam blasts him to the ground. ONE. Come on. Primal's better than that.
I watched most of the Beast Wars series, and I thought it was pretty funny. My favorite part will always be...(spoilers)
Yeah, that was Dinobot and Rattrap. Rattrap never trusted Dinobot for turning to the Maximals, at first attempting to take over as leader, but afterwards grudgingly falling into simply a soldier. Dinobot always hated Rattrap because he couldn't let someone who's beast mode was a rat get one-up on him. They were always the funniest to watch.

Sky Warrior; I thought Beast Machines was okay, but my main reason for not liking it was the whole thing about Beast Wars was that they needed the Beast Modes to handle the energon overload in primitive Earth. Then they made it out to be some sort of 'divine prophecy' from 'the Oracle'. Don't get me wrong, the CGI was kickass and the fighting rocked hard. But I couldn't understand how giant robot fights turned into Hippie Pot-smoking Tree Huggers vs Vehicles.

Cybertron doesn't need any goddamn plants, okay? It's a planet of robots.

EDIT: If you watched Beast Wars, and DID NOT like "Code of A Hero," you will burn in hell.

Also, Fifth; One of my favorite scenes of Beast Wars was Dinobot getting all pissy after Optimus Primal died in the Trans-warp explosion, claiming he should be leader.
"With him gone, I should be the leader-"
*Rhinox grabs him by the throat*
"I'm...in a bad. Mood."
"o-okay."

[IHateMakingNames]

Silverbolt was my favorite in Beast Wars. His noble corniness always amused me. Plus, the "You SHOT me!" jokes with Black Arachnia were my favorite in the series.

What I hated was at the very end of the series, when they started bringing up prophecies and some sort of Cybertron bible. It came up so randomly.

[synkr0nized]

The dialogue in Beast Wars was by far the best. Despite repeating myself, Megatron and Inferno made that series (the others had plenty of their own moments, of course).

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Its just too bad that while G4 has Beast Wars re-runs, they're so heavily edited that they barely make any sense.

SWB

[synkr0nized]

I've noticed that.
They're like 1/4 of an actual episode. So sad.

[Fifthfiend]

EDIT: If you watched Beast Wars, and DID NOT like "Code of A Hero," you will burn in hell.

Oh man, that one was fantastic.

Just so I'm clear, that was the one where Dinobot learns that their actions in the past really do influence the future, just as Megatron is about to destroy the Maximal base or something like that, so Dinobot goes on a one-robot rampage of asskicking and beats them all even though doing so means running down his energon reserves beyond recovery and sacrificing his spark in the name of honor, right?

Oh man, was that one fantastic.

[The Wandering God]

Code of a Hero was one of the few ones I didn't catch in that series. Makes me sad, but it does mean I have to track them down on DVD at some point.

I think Cheetor is the only other besides Dinobot that actually has a story arc in the series (including Beast Machines, which I feel so so about). At the beginning of BW, he's very young and recklass. And screws up a great deal. But as time went on, he became a very solid character. Optimus, Rhinox, and Rattrap never really changed as the series went on. Except maybe Rhinox became more of a philosopher. But that's more of a character trait he developed.

And here I thought all "true" Transformer fans hated Beast Wars. (Can't fault'em concering Beast Machines though, but I don't really hate it, either.)

The Wandering God

[Mirai Gen]

And here I thought all "true" Transformer fans hated Beast Wars. (Can't fault'em concering Beast Machines though, but I don't really hate it, either.)
Well, Wiki by the people, for the people... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Wars) I'm glad that this says that Beast Wars is cherished among Transformer fans. I couldn't think of any other way for it to be. Oh man, that one was fantastic.

Just so I'm clear, that was the one where Dinobot (spoiler)

Oh man, was that one fantastic.
Yep. Spot-on.
Quickstrike: "Heh! What's a warrior without weapons?"
Dinobot: "...A warrior...STILL!" *turns Quickstrike into scrap*

Dinobot, with his samurai attitude, was phonomenal.

"I am a warrior...*draws blade* Let the battle be joined."

What's cool, is if you surf around Wikipedia in relation to Beast Wars, you can find that they had scheduled an episode called "Dark Mirror," where Rattrap tries to implant original Dinobot DNA in Dinobot 2. This episode was apparently turned to scrap, being 'too dark' for a kid's show.

Too goddamn bad, too.

[Aerozord]

The only, and I mean only time, I liked something non-Beast Wars was Shockblast (or was it Shockwave). Why? Because this was a deciptacon that was truely evil.
Deciptacon: I am here to break you out
Shockblast shoots door and the decpticon

Later he gets into a fire fight and uses his own ally as a human shield. Finally he takes a hostage. Soon as he gets away he tosses them the hostage and kills him. Now thats evil. He kills for no reason beyond, 'because I can'.

But I loved Beast Wars. Here are some of my biggest reasons.
1. There is actually a reason to be in their transformed state
2. Unlike the others, they had a reason why there were only about 5 transformers on each side. I never got why, if Earth was such a prize, they only sent a few transformers.
3. NO LITTLE KIDS, I dont care about the demograph crap, it made no sence having them
4. The characters seemed more realistic. There were like 5 people wanting to take out Megatron. Each and everyone of them had a different method and reason Megatron maintained his control

Oh and Inferno ruled. True he was one of the strongest, but he was also messed up
Megatron: "Inferno stand guard"
Inferno: Salutes "yes my Queen"
Dinobot: "I see you given yourself a new title"

For the record, Rattrap is the best transformer ever.

[Mr. Mage]

I liked the first transformer movie it got my favrite singer song in there "Dare to be stuiped" By weird al yankivitch

Mr. Mage

[Fifthfiend]

it got my favrite singer song in there "Dare to be stuiped" By weird al yankivitch

And Spike said "Shit!"

That movie had everything!

[The Wandering God]

And Spike said "Shit!"

That movie had everything!
Including Eric Idle.

And since they had a junk planet, I think we can even include the kitchen sink.

The Wandering God

[Mirai Gen]

And Spike said "Shit!"

That movie had everything!
That caught me off guard in so many ways.

[Aerozord]

Oh man, that one was fantastic.

Just so I'm clear, that was the one where Dinobot learns that their actions in the past really do influence the future, just as Megatron is about to destroy the Maximal base or something like that, so Dinobot goes on a one-robot rampage of asskicking and beats them all even though doing so means running down his energon reserves beyond recovery and sacrificing his spark in the name of honor, right?

Oh man, was that one fantastic.
for the record, I am pretty sure he was gonna kill some proto-humans, or destroy the ark...I dont know its been awhile

[Kitana Paladine]

I'm a fan of the original series, having grown up watching it, so I'm waiting for the Live Action Transformers movie(and praying to every and any god and goddess who will listen that its good).

Only things I see wrong so far is that Megatron is a tank, and there will be humans(unfortnately) playing a reasonably large role.

Other things known are that the teams will be 6 or 7 members, and that it will be out in 2007, possibly July 4th. Director is Michael Bay(director of Armageddon my brother thinks), and my brother says that's a problem, and they are on their second or third writer. No news on VAs, though director or producers are wanting to have the ORIGINAL VAs. Budget is something like $100 million or $120 million, and aiming for at least 3 movies. Two of the producers are also producers for the first X-Men movie, Don Murphy and Tom deSanto. Not much has been heard from deSanto, but Murphy tries to share info with the fandom, but according to my brother, he's an asshole.

And that's all I have to offer on that.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I'm a fan of the original series, having grown up watching it, so I'm waiting for the Live Action Transformers movie(and praying to every and any god and goddess who will listen that its good).

Only things I see wrong so far is that Megatron is a tank, and there will be humans(unfortnately) playing a reasonably large role.

Bernie Mac plays a character named Bobby Bolivia. Bernie Mac playing *ANY* character (even just as a Voice Actor) is a very, VERY bad thing in my book. Maybe it'll just be a brief cameo, but I'll be honest I'm no fan of Bernie Mac, & I fear his involvement suggests they're going for a campy, Charlies Angels feel. (My eyes, they still bleed!)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/

SWB

[Aerozord]

why would they make a Transformers live action movie? No I dont mean because I don't think it will work (I really doubt it will) but because the main characters, the transformers, have to be CGI so why even both?

They should have made a Beast Wars movie. But not one of those meaningless movies like what they pump out for DBZ and pokemon. I want a high quality movie that doesn't rely on the shows popularity. Besides who doesn't want to see Dinobot and Rattrap going at it on the big screen

[Mirai Gen]

Be fair; Transformers G1 is epically more popular. You don't see things like Optimus Primal or Cheetor mentioned, it's always Soundwave and G1 Megatron and Prime and Ravage.

But, yeah. Transformers will never be the same. I mean...Michael Bay. Fucking Pearl Harbor Michael Bay. "Explosions" are his middle name.

This is going to be the shittiest movie ever.

EDIT: Why is the guy who is playing Spike 19 years old? Wasn't Spike 35?

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Maybe once you got to the TF movie & post era of Transformers, Spike was that age, but way back when things started, I'd say that 19 is about right.

SWB

[MetalPsycho]

In all the Transformers worlds, Cheetor's Transformation into a Transmetal 2 was my favorit of all arcs. Why? I like it when people involuntarily transform into stronger and horrible monsters when it's the most convenient for them.

That and it has the best line ever, delivered from noone but Megatron himself.

"Well. It seems someone's going out for a midnight stroll. At Mach 2."

*Joygasm*

[Mirai Gen]

"Well. It seems someone's going out for a midnight stroll. At Mach 2."

*Joygasm*
Seconded. Best mini-series they had.

[Fifthfiend]

The Transformers movie should've been directed by the guys who made Batman: The Animated Series in their live-action debut.

With someone around to take a cattle-prod to Bruce Timm every time he tried to turn Optimus Prime into an asshole.

[Aerozord]

I wish I could remember exactly how one of my favorite quotes went. It was when they got that transformer bible thingy. please tell me what it is so I can edit it. Oh and anyone that can remember the exact quote for me gets an e-cookie

Megatron: "...For I am the alpha and the omega"
Dinobot2: "You already read the entire thing?"
Megatron: "Only the good parts"

That show had the best quotes ever

[h4x.m4g3]

I loved G1 Transformers, I extremely disliked the movie, bordering on hate.

Why?OPTIMUS PRIME DIES FOR A HOLE IN HIS SIDE 30 MINUTES INTO THE MOVIE! LATER ULTRA MAGNUS IS BLOWN TO PEICES AND PUT BACK TOGETHER!
Although...It did let them have the greatest 2 part episode ever, where Optimus comes back and lays waste to everyone.

[Mirai Gen]

I wish I could remember exactly how one of my favorite quotes went. It was when they got that transformer bible thingy. please tell me what it is so I can edit it. Oh and anyone that can remember the exact quote for me gets an e-cookie

Megatron: "...For I am the alpha and the omega"
Dinobot2: "You already read the entire thing?"
Megatron: "Only the good parts"

That show had the best quotes ever
Megatron: I am that which is, which was, and which is yet to come. You will know my name is Megatron, when I lay my vengance upon you!
Dinobot2: You have already read the Code of Primus?
Megatron: Just the good parts.

Man I loved this show.

[Fifthfiend]

Beastwars Megatron was just so deliciously gleeful. I mean he wasn't just an evil prick, he really really loved being an evil prick.

By point of comparison, for example, G1 Megatron was pretty much straightforwardly an evil prick.

[Mirai Gen]

Which is funny, because G1 fanbase will easily say that G1 Megatron was a clever soldier, and infinitely cooler than BW Megatron. But I like Megatron BW because he's half-insane with power (versus Tarantulus, who was completely insane.)

[Fifthfiend]

I'm not really saying one is cooler than the other.

I'm just saying, G1 Megatron is cool cause he's an evil prick, Beast Wars Megs is cool cause he was really really into being an evil prick.

It's like Lex Luthor compared with the Joker. Or Doctor Doom next to like Loki or somebody. Shit, I don't know.

[Intern Nin]

I agree with ff, no other 'Tron can hold a candle to BW Megatron when it comes to being an evil prick and enjoying every moment of it.

[Aerozord]

I wish I could watch BW all over again. Anyone know if they have a boxset? And if not I say we get various weapons and 'persuade' them to make one.

[lazy man]

They've got all three seasons boxed already, just in separate sets. Go take a look on Amazon, they have it there, at the very least.

Also, since I'm late to the thread, I'll just say that I love Beast Wars. Always have since I was small and stupid. I think I only missed about two or three episodes...

For the rest of the Transformers shows I was either too young (G1 and the movie) or just not interested in (everything after Beast Wars).

[Aerozord]

*holding torch* ...I see, I guess I will go check that out then. So no angry mob?

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I wish I could watch BW all over again. Anyone know if they have a boxset? And if not I say we get various weapons and 'persuade' them to make one.

You can also watch the old epsiodes on G4 for free. Its just they're so heavily edited & cut down that you'll weep openly afterwards.

But otherwise, FREE!

SWB

[EVILNess]

Yep, Beastwars was in my opinion, the last truly great Transformers series. Every series since has been kinda "bleh"

What was your favorite episode? I mean besides the ultimately cool "Code of A Hero"?

Personally, the one where Rat-trap and Dinobot team up and the episode where Black-Arachnia temporarily gain ultimate power stands out in my mind. Or when Dinobot fought and ate his clone. Priceless.

And while Dinobot's finale is the coolest of the episodes, Depth Charge's stand against Rampage, thus restoring Dinobot 2 to a full spark and allowing Dinobot one last hurrah.

Man. I LOVED this show. I am so nostalgic right now.

[Mirai Gen]

I still watch The Agenda 1, 2, and 3, then Optimal Situation, just because the interaction between Blackarachnia and Silverbolt was phonomenal there.

"Your inner Maximal prevented you from wounding me critically-"
"Shut up shut up shut up!"

I also watch Feral Scream, where Cheetor becomes Transmetal 2. I loved Optimus' moment

"This is Primal - we need backup!"
*cheetor tackles TM2 Dinobot*
"...I think."

[Aerozord]

You can also watch the old epsiodes on G4 for free. Its just they're so heavily edited & cut down that you'll weep openly afterwards.

But otherwise, FREE!

SWB
oh so basically what 4Kids did to...well anything it touches. Seriously they are like the blight. Not only does it die but its a hidious sin against nature untill it does.

[Intern Nin]

They edited Beast Wars?! What's there to edit?! What, did they take out all the battle scenes and the parts with Black Arachnia?!

[Captain_Action]

I can't remeber much of the original series, but I LOVED watch starscream getting his just deserts time and time again.

Favorite BW quote: "When cheacking for booby traps, send the boob in first."

[Sky Warrior Bob]

They edited Beast Wars?! What's there to edit?! What, did they take out all the battle scenes and the parts with Black Arachnia?!

It wasn't so much for content, but rather time. A full episode usually runs about 15 minutes long, and its about as disjointed & wrong as you'd think it'd be.

SWB
Attaching image of Masterpiece Starscream, 'cuz he's cool.

[Mirai Gen]

I just bought the five-episode comic book of Transformers: Matrix Quest. Has the greatest Optimus Prime quote in it.

"How long have you had the Matrix, Thunderhawk? Hours? Days? I carried it with me for four million years! Nobody can control the Matrix - not you, and not even me!"

[Aerozord]

and lets not forget Starscream once appeared on Beast Wars. More or less he acted how you expected.

I been re-watching the first season of Beast Wars and was reminded of an old habit of Megatron's. Some how he managed to fit the word yes (on rare occasions no) into just about every sentence.

[8-Bit Idiot]

The most hilairious episode of Beast Wars was when Rhinox was afflicted with the Energon discharge virus. It reminded me how loudly I sneeze. It also explains why Megatron says "yeeesss" a lot (its because he has a penchant for intellegent conversations. Even if its with himself). It is the only episode of ANY Transformers series that contains a fart joke.

Best Beast Wars line ever:
Quickstrike: "What's a warrior without weapons?"
Dinobot: "Still a warrior" *punches Quick strike*

F.Y.I., if you wanna watch UNEDITED episodes of Beast Wars, try to find a channel called YTV (a children's channel from north of the border).

[PraetorZorak]

I've been a Transformers freak since I was about 7 years old, and nothing quite compares to that feeling I get when I see an episode of Gen1. I have tons of original Marvel comic prints, skipped some of the crappy ones right after Marvel lost the license, and am now ince again reading originals...IDW has the transformers, and are doing a great job translating a Generation 1 transformers story to a time frame 20 years later as the present day.

Gah, I could talk transformers all day, why did you have to make this thread?

[Chipper173]

I was gonna post a huge list of crap I don't like about Transformers, but I decided against that because I don't feel like blatantly tellig you all of that. So don't say I never did nothing.

Okay, stuff I do like: Anyone play that PS2 game? Pretty nifty.

[EVILNess]

WAIT A FREAKING MINUTE! I thought that the Transformers movie was coming out on July 4, 2007! If so, WHAT IS THIS? (http://www.transformersmovie.com/)

Did I jump a year in time? Fall into some unknown Cryo-sleep?

Totally unexpected!

[Chipper173]

Scroll down. It says 2007.

[EVILNess]

And now I look and feel like a retard, I saw the 20 days time and well my mind kinda freaked out. I am sorry.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

WAIT A FREAKING MINUTE! I thought that the Transformers movie was coming out on July 4, 2007! If so, WHAT IS THIS? (http://www.transformersmovie.com/)

Did I jump a year in time? Fall into some unknown Cryo-sleep?

Totally unexpected!

Uhm, the release date is still listed as July 4th, 2007 on the page you link. At best, I suspect you're point to the countdown. The problem of course being, the thing doesn't show how many years. Just Days, Hours, Minutes, Seconds & Miliseconds. Since its nearly July 4th 2006, its no wonder its only a few days away.

SWB

[Mirai Gen]

I got the Transformers Ultimate Guide (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0756603145/sr=8-4/qid=1150339056/ref=pd_bbs_4/002-9692770-4815224?%5Fencoding=UTF8). It's okay. Most of the entire book has ludicrously random stats and make absolutely no sense, including "Firepower" "Speed" "Strength" and stuff on 1-10 stats. The nice thing is the several very well-done pictures, artwork, and screens from the shows.

The problem is the severe lack of detail. If it's the ultimate guide, it should describe everything that happens. It barely touches on anything in the Marvel comic series, and nothing is defined under G1 and G2 that isn't general knowledge. The Beast Wars and Beast Machines stuff is explained well, however, they miss alot of aspects (They don't even describe Tigatron even though they talk about Airazor, which is odd because he came to earth first). The romance between them or Silverbolt/Blackarachnia is never even mentioned, and the guide to the episodes is completely lacking in seasons 2 and 3.

It's not bad, but it's not an "ultimate" anything. It's mostly 10 bucks for a nice collection of Transformers artwork.

[Burkion]

Code of Hero=Best Transformers Episode Ever.

EVAR.

Also, SOMETIMES G4 will screw over the episodes, other times they don't. Like, speaking OF Code of Hero, they have shown it a total of 4 times in almost a year, never getting to Season Three, and the first time they showed it it was perfectly intact. The other three bits were missing.

[Bells]

http://www.transformersmovie.com/ and now there is a Teaser!

[Mirai Gen]

Well it's a teaser, problem is nothing's going to be out until, perhaps january.

It's funny, because everyone says it's going to be terrible. I think if we get the giant robot blaster-fights, Starscream, and Soundwave done correctly, we'll be just fine.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

Well it's a teaser, problem is nothing's going to be out until, perhaps january.

Not entirely true. There's going to be something shown at Comic-Con, which was briefly released & pulled back from Aint-it-Cool. G4's Comic-Con coverage promises to cover it.

SWB
Hopefully, I'll be able to see it live, as I'll be at C-C, but so far the actual Comic Con website is still a bit light on the agenda of what's going on.

[Kroze Gamegod]

Well, there was a open casting for extras that some friends of mine and I went to a few days ago...
They said they will call us if we make it in....
And they better not shaft us at Comic Con like they did last year....

[Chipper173]

I think if we get the giant robot blaster-fights, Starscream, and Soundwave done correctly, we'll be just fine.
As long as Starscream isn't totally wussified and/or doesn't attempt to stab someone in the back, I'll see it.

[Fifthfiend]

As long as Starscream isn't totally wussified and/or doesn't attempt to stab someone in the back, I'll see it.

... what?

If I don't see Starscream doing exactly both of those things, I'm demanding my Goddamn money back!

It's funny, because everyone says it's going to be terrible. I think if we get the giant robot blaster-fights, Starscream, and Soundwave done correctly, we'll be just fine.

Really the most important things are Optimus and Megatron. Everything pretty much falls into place from there.

[Chipper173]

Shit, I just went back and read it and realized I phrased it wrong.

Here's what I meant:

As long as Starscream isn't totally wussified and attempts to stab someone in the back, I'll see it.

The stabbing just does it for me.

[greed]

Well if it doesn't stab people in the back, can it be Starscream?

[Chipper173]

Well if it doesn't stab people in the back, can it be Starscream?
Of course not. The stabbing defines his character. That's like, can Optimus Prime still be Optimus if he isn't awesome? Heck no.

[Zesty]

"Megatron is weak...this is my chance!"

"...I'll help him out, and he'll reward my 'Can Do' attitude and teamwork skills! BWAHAHAHAHAAAA!!"

[Mirai Gen]

Well if it doesn't stab people in the back, can it be Starscream?
Hold on, I'm going into Ultra Fucking Geek Mode now.

The main aspect of awesome with Starscream is how he constantly badgers Megatron, insisting that he should be leader. He never actually tries to take over legitimately, it's always "when he's weak, I'll strike!" The problem is he fucks up so much because of his impatience and ineptitude at a proper coup de grace. If he would just wait a bit longer he could have become the leader of the Decepticons long before Megatron was - and probably a better leader, too!

Really the most important things are Optimus and Megatron. Everything pretty much falls into place from there.
Well, Here's Bumblebee, Prowl, Starscream, and Optimus Prime (http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/31/new-chevy-camaro-to-star-transformers-movie/) all being mentioned.

If they just show me what Megatron transforms into, I think I'll be more than satisfied.

EDIT: Oh hell, why not? (http://students.washington.edu/colin2/breakformers/Video_player_06.html) Might as well link it now - it's bound to happen eventually.