#690: "Ghkt!"

[Kurosen]

Remember, one of Thief's ninja abilities is to cause brain damage with his words.

[Galumphing]

I have a feeling this is just to prepare for the reveal of Thief/Fighters magic powers. After all, ninja and knight could use magic in FF1.

Great comic, BTW. You just gotta love "less talking, more going away"

[PhasmaRok]

I have a new favorite Sarda-line, and this is it, lol.
And I'd bet more on Fighter revealing his Knight's healing abilities, for two reasons.
One, the team has lacked a (competent) healer for quite some time.
Two, BM would likely get a brain hemorrage(sp) or die from shock or something.

[Jared Todd]

This comic officially has the least things to talk about.

Thank you.

[Quirriff`]

Not only that, there's no news.

What's next?

[voodooKobra]

Quite interesting, but it's like Jared Todd said: there's nothing left to talk about.

Now I just want to wait patiently for the next comic. Thanks, Brian. You made me be patient -_-!!

[Art of Hilt]

...

This comic made me realize that that second spell of Guts Vomit in the last comic was BM's doing, not Sarda's. The one where it all went out backwards.

...

[The Wandering God]

Actually there is one thing to say.

Sarda is a fragment of Chaos. Wow.

(Well, I'm still more than willing to believe that Sarda just gave him the spell, but I think the fragment theory has some serious ground now.)

Now it really brings up the question of why he wants the orbs.

Also, why did WM push them to see Sarda? Does she not know what he is? Could this result in a showdown.

Yeah, we'll probably know all this later rather than sooner.
Now, to go see a kraken about an orb.
The Wandering God

[Charm]

So does that mean Blue Magic is completely useless as any spells that it absorbs are spells directed at BM.. so when he casts it, it will only ever hurt him?

:)

[Seran]

As said many times before...
...it's the end of the world.

Sarda's being wise at the moment though. If they don't leave, that aiirship'll blow and they'd be forced to walk to wherever they were going only to get lost in a desert and stumble across a caravan with a cheapskate man who was selling a fairy at an unusually ridiculous price!
Did I say that? I meant...er...nothing. Yes! Nothing.

[Ogremindes]

I guess that means Sarda's spells are 'custom made'. Rather than a spell that makes the target vomit his digestive tract it's Make Black Mage Vomit His Digestive Tract.

And what is a usual price for selling a fairy, then?

[greed]

In Legend of Zelda Oot it was like 50 or 100 Rupees wasn't it? That's the only place I can remember fairys being sold. Unless you're talking about the gay slave trade, and I don't know anything about that
>_> <_<

so yeah Sarda's spells are custom made, BM did it to himself, Brian actually seemed to directly answer the forum discussion about this.
:fighter: Well Yeah
:thief: Is this news
:rmage: Obviously that's how it would be
Somewhat aggressively

And I like the idea of Fighter getting white magic
WM: So you don't need me anymore?
Fighter: Nah, BM's got me now.
WM:Thank the Gods!
BM: Ghhkt!!!
Fighter: BEST FRIENDS FOREVER!

[Tiako]

I was actually about to mention Thief's anue..anur...brain damage thing. It's also nice to see RM get off a "zing" as they say in the vernacular.

But here's a question, if Sarda, in doing his whole de-intestinalizing thing is actually using a bit of Chaos, couldn't BM learn it also? Or perhaps maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't worry about it?

[Drece]

Well once again I'll say that now Black mage should be able to heal himself with blue magic. After all he did get up after that. I guess he did get something usefull, even if its only a counter to that spell, or better.

Edit: Damn, looks like the guy above me said something like this first. But I'll keep this here anyway.

[rodent347]

Actually, there's much to talk about.
First, Sarda "reworks the fabric of reality". I doubt there's a spell that causes one living creature to spit up its intestines, he'd have to simply free hand it, meaning I suppose I agree with the other light warriors about always knowing it.
Second, you all are still forgetting about what was mentioned in the previous comic thread. Sarda also cast a healing spell on BM. One would have to assume he would know that one too. It could come much in handy what with his newfound "Get kicked in the junk to get unlimited power" magic.
Third, that also gives us the question of, "How exactly DID BM recover from this one?"
Fifth, I do hope Fighter and Theif learn magic, if only to see Fighter heal the enemies. I have another idea, but I won't mention it for fear of it not being used.
Sixth, Sarda's last coment made me laugh aloud. The comics haven't had that effect on me recently, good to see neither I nor they are losing our sense of humor.
Seventh, why IS Pierreon the front page?


Took too long typing this. Oh well...
Also, the whole Sarda/Chaos thing...What have I done?

[Sam_Drugbringer]

What shocked me the most is that RM had the good sence to NOT mimic the spell, since he knew nothing good would come of it.

[MetalPsycho]

Just get in the ship BM. Just get in the shi....sub. Air-sub.....dear GOD that makes NO SENSE! >_<

But it's ok. They're gona fight the Kraken now! :D

[catlover20410]

Not before some sidequesty b-
:rmage:Goodness
No, bullshit.
:rmage:GOODNESS I SAY! GOODNESS!
Get out of my post.
:rmage: Awwww.

[Derbeste]

So does that mean Blue Magic is completely useless as any spells that it absorbs are spells directed at BM.. so when he casts it, it will only ever hurt him?

:)


Nope. He's already used the "Innanertz" blue technique on a target other than himself. Sarda is every "exception to every rule" made flesh.

However, we do have to deal with the fact that Sarda is, without question, a fragment of chaos.

I have to ask the same question I asked in the previous thread then....

Is it possible for Sarda, like Magus, to be a member of Chaos's middle management?

Is it possible that Magus and Sarda know each other?

Is it even possible that Sarda is the one pulling the strings of all four of the LW's patron dieties?

I mean...it would make sense that Sarda was the one that told Magus to unleash BM. What better way to really cause BM pain? Also, Sarda did not seem to even blink that BM was going to try to use blue magic on him. Even when, according to Magus, blue magic is "legendary" and given to "BM alone". Sarda wasn't even surprised........

That seemingly prior knowledge could indicate that Magus and Sarda are in cahoots somehow....


.......Or Sarda really is all-knowing......

Either way...I'm sure Brian will make it funny. What else matters? ^_^

[Loyal]

So does that mean Blue Magic is completely useless as any spells that it absorbs are spells directed at BM.. so when he casts it, it will only ever hurt him?

:)Nah, I'm sure Sarda invented a "Remove BM's Guts From Body" spell just for the occasion. So BM was casting a "Remove BM's Guts From Body" spell as well. :p

[Ggolbez]

I think it might be probable that Fighter and Thief have magic. I mean, it would make sense.

For instance, Thief could be using haste spells without knowing it, to steal things. I mean, he was able to steal the gold off the walls in the castle near the begining.

And Fighter could have some spells... Like his ability to avoid any LIFE threatening damage from head stab wounds... But I think my evidence is clear in THIS comic:

http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=040124

[Trixbeat]

I have a feeling Sarda is making another spell to torture BM if they don't get off the lawn.
Anyway, now I know what to say to insult someone who says something stupid: Ghkt!

[happy_turtle]

And Fighter could have some spells... Like his ability to avoid any LIFE threatening damage from head stab wounds...

There were NO stabbings in that comic so why bring it up?

Anyway...Fighter has always healed after a stay at an inn or because of WM. And Theif couldn't have been using magic in the beginning because the ninja and knight can only learn magic AFTER the class change not before.

[Sky Warrior Bob]

I just thought of something, what if Sarda knows Blue Magic himself? Can a Blue Mage learn spells from another Blue Mage? It just occurs to me that this might be another option other than having Sarda be in cahoots with Chaos.

SWB

[Chrismith]

How did BM get healed this time? Did Sarda put his guts back again in order to facilitate getting the LWs off of his lawn?

[POS Industries]

I just thought of something, what if Sarda knows Blue Magic himself? Can a Blue Mage learn spells from another Blue Mage? It just occurs to me that this might be another option other than having Sarda be in cahoots with Chaos.

SWB

Indeed. Sarda is the master of all that is magic, so the Blue form of it would present no challenge for him, and I do seem to recall something in the FF world at least about being able to learn Blue Magic spells from enemy Blue Mages, so it's not unprecedented. Furthermore, Sarda has existed longer than existance itself, apparently, so it could be possible that he predates Chaos entirely.

Or something.

[Lord Kibble]

What shocked me the most is that RM had the good sence to NOT mimic the spell, since he knew nothing good would come of it.

On the contrary, any opportunity to make Black Mage suffer can do nothing but increase the net happiness of the rest of humanity (until BM recovers, that is).

Furthermore, Sarda has existed longer than existance itself, apparently, so it could be possible that he predates Chaos entirely.

Very interesting. Look at this definition:


cha·os (kā'ŏs')
n.
1. A condition or place of great disorder or confusion.
2. A disorderly mass; a jumble: The desk was a chaos of papers and unopened letters.
3. The disordered state of unformed matter and infinite space supposed in some cosmogonic views to have existed before the ordered universe.
4. Mathematics. A dynamical system that has a sensitive dependence on its initial conditions.
5. Obsolete. An abyss; a chasm.


In one way or another, all of those definitions describe the state of the universe before WM arrived. To wit, Sarda's definition of an infant universe as "an infinite number of simultaneous outcomes waiting to collapse into a single expression" corroborates the idea that the universe was nothing but chaos before WM suggested order.

But did we ever learn why, exactly, Sarda went to the beginning of time in the first place? I quote: "it certainly beats using the last of your magical energies to get here four seconds too late to put your ultimate plan into motion so you're stranded because the universe obeys someone else's orders."

Ultimate plan, you say?

BOMBASTIC CLASSICAL MUSIC!
OMINOUS LATIN CHORUS!

[Seran]

"Chaos" was -- according to Greek mythology -- was a void, the goddess out of which the universe was created.
Just throwing in ideas here.

If Fighter learned White Magic, I have a feeling it'll ultimately piss off Black Mage...

[Chrismith]

Remember, though, the LWs are not out to defeat the universal idea of chaos, but rather the demon king named Chaos. See here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010730).

[Roy_D_Mylote]

I dunno, all you conspiracy nuts..."Sarda is Chaos," "Blue Mage is Satan," "White Mage is having an affair with King Steve."

Uh...ignore the last one.

[Fifthfiend]

I dunno, all you conspiracy nuts..."Sarda is Chaos," "Blue Mage is Satan," "White Mage is having an affair with King Steve."

Uh...ignore the last one.

Actually, that'd explain an awful lot.

... Well really no, it wouldn't. But it sure would be funny.

I mean come on, as long as Sarda's going out of his way to make Black Mage's life an unending font of misery and pain, why not throw in banging the hell out of the woman BM can never have to sweeten the deal?

[Ggolbez]

There were NO stabbings in that comic so why bring it up?

Anyway...Fighter has always healed after a stay at an inn or because of WM. And Theif couldn't have been using magic in the beginning because the ninja and knight can only learn magic AFTER the class change not before.

Ow... my pride...

[Mr. Mage]

Nice comic Brian! I like the part where sarden says "less talking and more going away." That was so funny.

Mr. Mage

[Lord Kibble]

Remember, though, the LWs are not out to defeat the universal idea of chaos, but rather the demon king named Chaos. See here (http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010730).

I stand corrected! However, being the nefarious king of demons that he is, an ominous honorific such as "Chaos" would make little sense unless said fiend expresses more than a few chaotic tendencies.

Although, given 8BT's track record up 'til now, it might, in fact, make perfect sense.

That still doesn't explain what Sarda expected to accomplish at the beginning of time, nor what as-yet-untold ramifications may result from WM's inadvertent creation of all being.

New conspiracy theory: FOREST IMPS! Garland truly is the wisest of us all!

[MasterOfMagic]

How did BM get healed this time? Did Sarda put his guts back again in order to facilitate getting the LWs off of his lawn?
Either that or BM learned Sarda's heal spell, and somehow managed to cast it with his insides hanging out.

The first part of that sentence is very likely. The second part...not so much.

[catlover20410]

If he didn't try to breathe or eat, he'd be OK.

[Jared Todd]

>.>.... sorry this is a long quoting post.

I guess that means Sarda's spells are 'custom made'. Rather than a spell that makes the target vomit his digestive tract it's Make Black Mage Vomit His Digestive Tract.
Right.
First, Sarda "reworks the fabric of reality". I doubt there's a spell that causes one living creature to spit up its intestines, he'd have to simply free hand it, meaning I suppose I agree with the other light warriors about always knowing it.
Kind of wrong.

If BM can learn it as a Blue Mage, the spell has to be a spell. It might not be a particular magic or skill that's used by multiple monsters, but it still ued magic, period, and was used by someone who outdates the monsters of Chaos. The spell, theoretically, would be called "Make Black Mage Vomit His Digestive Tract", as Ogre said.

I just thought of something, what if Sarda knows Blue Magic himself? Can a Blue Mage learn spells from another Blue Mage? It just occurs to me that this might be another option other than having Sarda be in cahoots with Chaos.
*shakes head* at least on FFTA, you can't copy another Blue Mage... kinda pissed me off too. Monsters are the only thing you can copy. But Sarda outdates monsters... so.....

Either that or BM learned Sarda's heal spell, and somehow managed to cast it with his insides hanging out.

The first part of that sentence is very likely. The second part...not so much.
Probably because it's a comic though.

[MasterOfMagic]

Yeah. See, we could explain everything away as "it happens because its a comic", but that sorta kills discussion doesn't it?

[Chrismith]

*shakes head* at least on FFTA, you can't copy another Blue Mage... kinda pissed me off too. Monsters are the only thing you can copy. But Sarda outdates monsters... so.....

In some of the FF games, the blue mage will learn the spell after seeing it once, regardless of who cast it. I'm not sure which games fall under this category, but I think FF6/3us was one of them. Other games were more strict and only allow blue mages to learn spells from monsters. Brian could be playing by either of these rules, or by some other system of his own devising. If you were to ask him, he'd probably say something like "Whatever is funniest at the time," or "Whatever hurts Black Mage the most." Here, it was most painful for BM (and funniest for us) to cause his own intestines to leap from his body, so the learn-it-from-anyone philosophy was used. Assuming, of course, that Sarda isn't technically a monster. Which is kind of a toss-up, I guess.

[Locke cole]

I think Thief does have magic. His legalese and self-serving logic can create a verbal curse just by making circular logic. He makes mental pain manifest in rupturing blood vessals.

[Sam_Drugbringer]

1. Even if Sadra is a blue mage and that's how BM learned it, that would mean there is a monster walking around with a "make BM hurt" spell for no reason, as I assume he coulden't just take any regular magic even from a fellow Blue mage.

2. Sadra is not from before the universe began. He eventualy arived at the begining, but it seemed to me get traveled there from somwehere. It's entirely possible Sadra is a fragment of Chaos.

[Loyal]

*shakes head* at least on FFTA, you can't copy another Blue Mage... kinda pissed me off too. Monsters are the only thing you can copy. But Sarda outdates monsters... so.....Actually, you could. Just not from your fellow BLUs.
1. Even if Sadra is a blue mage and that's how BM learned it, that would mean there is a monster walking around with a "make BM hurt" spell for no reason, as I assume he coulden't just take any regular magic even from a fellow Blue mage.I believe it's been established (Or at least agreed upon) that Sarda himself made the spell. And Sarda CAN be considered a monster, both in the metaphorical sense and in that he's an NPC (Soldiers in FF games are considered monsters, so humans can be considered such).

[Abyzz]

OK I have an idea about why he learned the spell why he's still alive
1. Sadra is all knowing and able so he proply just changed the fabrics of the world so that the spell he cast was considered a blue.... magic... spell.
2. perhaps the healing is a part of the spell like, "make black mage throw up he's ingestive and 30 seconds later heal him."

[willyolio]

perhaps sarda learned the spell from a sea cucumber and modified it slightly... to make it more specific.

[Mac]

perhaps sarda learned the spell from a sea cucumber and modified it slightly... to make it more specific.

a sea cucumber?

[happy_turtle]

How the hell did we get on the topic of sea cucumbers?

[Sky Warrior Bob]

How the hell did we get on the topic of sea cucumbers?

Sea cucumbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Cucumber) can expell their guts, in order to ward off predators. Why mother nature gave them this particular adaption is beyond me, but there it is.

The idea that Sarda in the course of his infinitely long life, has encountered a monster Sea Cucumber doesn't suprise me. And from the point of view of the Sea Cucumber, expelling guts would be a sort of attack.

Just not all that great of one.

Thing is, if this spell really does originate with monsterous Sea Cucumbers, maybe each time BM uses this spell he actually regrows new internal organs.

SWB

[Jared Todd]

I've been proved wrong so many times, I'm not even going to say anything to the corrections.

But I think I may stand to be correct... when I say BM could quite possibly be a sea cucumber. How else would the magic work, and it would explain why Sarda knows the uh... 'spell'.

[greed]

Sea cucumbers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Cucumber) can expell their guts, in order to ward off predators. Why mother nature gave them this particular adaption is beyond me, but there it is.

The idea that Sarda in the course of his infinitely long life, has encountered a monster Sea Cucumber doesn't suprise me. And from the point of view of the Sea Cucumber, expelling guts would be a sort of attack.

Just not all that great of one.

Thing is, if this spell really does originate with monsterous Sea Cucumbers, maybe each time BM uses this spell he actually regrows new internal organs.

SWB

That could come in handy if he gets poisoned or something.

[MetalPsycho]

Or if he needs to vomit out an object he ate by accident. Like a screw or something.

[greed]

Am I the only seeing that VG Cats Wii comic on top of the 8Bit one? I just refreshed and there it was, did so again and it's still there.

[Burkion]

I think its a sign: You shall recieve no new comic today, you bloody bastards!

[greed]

I have a sick feeling you're right Burkion.:(

Edit: I was wrong yay! :D