Main Characters? Focal Points? The Stars?

[Jared Todd]

Okay, you all think you know who the real stars of the comic are, but who really actually knows who the bigger characters are? Huh? Hmm?

What if BM and Fighter are really the complete main characters, and Thief and RM are just there to accompany the two? What if WM is a Light Warrior and one Lite Warrior doesn't belong? Are the Dark Warriors main characters? Do you think there are other minor characters that will become main characters in the future, like the Other Warriors, or the die god of RM's? What's your opinion, who are the main characters of the comic, and who's more in the spotlight?

Personally, answering my own thread, I think that BM and Fighter are the main goodguys, and Darko/Magus is going to become the true ultimate badguy who fights against BM and Fighter at the end.... and maybe Garland and his group o' four might end up being on the sidelines with RM and Thief..
I've just never seen Thief and RM as big characters.

[MuMu]

Well, putting the comedy aside, WM is the main goodgirl and Darko/Magus the badguy. But probably our Lite Warriors will banish Magus using their own methods...

[Seran]

It all seemed to start with Fighter and Black Mage, seeing as how they were the first characters in the storyline. I mean, let's take a look at them.

The way Brian Clevinger put it, the tale seemed to originate from Fighter when he was nudged out of Fighter's Camp '86 for failing to understand the true nature of Vargus's question, despite all the time he had to realize the meaning of being a swordsman of Kenshido -- Zodiac Kenshido. From there Black Mage had bumped into him out of nowhere, but all we knew about him was that he murdered his brother, his sister, and was also pushed out of his school for also not being able to answer a philosophical question correctly. Fighter, being the idiot he was, figured they'd be best friends and had managed to ignore every attempt to kill him by Black Mage, who's been stuck with him ever since.
A lot of humor surrounds them because of Fighter's idiocy and Black Mage's hatred of living. However, Fighter is shockingly skilled with swords and is a powerful warrior with great offensive and defensive ability. Pity he's got no score in intelligence. Black Mage's mastery of the dark arts puts him into the higher levels of spellcasters and gives him great offensive ability in the magical range. Apparently, though, he's poor with defense. Black Mage also appears to be a fast runner, considering the first few comics...
Now, the Lightbulb Warriors originated from them as well. Fighter was the first to spot the sign, Black Mage was annoyed to the point of letting him find two other hardy souls to risk their life in order to rid the world of evil, and it just so happened they merely attracted Thief much earlier, White Mage soon after, and Red Mage not too late after that. Since then, Fighter and Black Mage continued to show a great part in the storyline, having a great deal of antics and incompetent moments alongside Red Mage and Thief. White Mage and Black Belt followed them and would appear from time to time to aid with all the insanity -- but at this point Black Belt will never be a live person ever again -- and they seemed, you know, like close comrades although Black Belt was basically an idiot that not many people admired. You have to admit that his skills in the martial arts are painfully gruesome. Or at least, they were. Fighter and Black Mage have just always had a great part in the storyline, whether it be screwing up a great moment in history -- rebuilding of Dwarfland I suppose, when Black Mage destroyed it a second time with Meteo -- or having to be led and having to lead the team by the order of a god -- Swordopolis telling Fighter to leave for the Castle of Ordeals -- and there are rarely times where they don't affect someone or someplace with their own presences.

White Mage created the universe before Sarda could reach it when it was an empty void. As nice as she is, she's not that patient. She and Black Belt even used the Lightbulb Warriors, practically or literally, as meatshields so they could jump in and save the day at the right moment.

Magus...he's basically from Chrono Trigger and gave Black Mage the ability to learn new powers from monsters formed by Chaos. I'm not sure how it'll turn out with him.

Did Black Belt go to either Hell or Heaven -- if there is a heaven? If he went to Hell, and we ever decided to visit there again, no doubt you'd see the Lich, Kary, and possibly him again. They're still pretty much dead.

I wonder what the Dark Warriors are up to. The Dark Warriors formed from Garland, who was the first to be defeated by the Lightbulb Warriors, but they're nowhere near to being more competent than their rivals. The most intelligent seems to be Drizz'l, though it could be Vilbert since he's so far shown little signs of either intelligence levels and just gothic behavior.

Thief...is the prince of Elfland. He left to steal money and items to save his father, but now he just steals whatever he wants. He's met Raven, he's a ninja who can travel through time it seems and is even quicker than last time. He seems to hold great influence despite how much activity he's shown throughout the comic.

Red Mage's been learning a different set of laws that controls the universe. Think Dungeons and Dragons. Going back to his dream far back somewhere in the 90s or so, someone narrates about gods, about rules, documents and notes they've kept about these rules, and about something called Ascension. He changes his skills and form through changing his character sheet, like when he had changed his class to Thief and even acted as sneaky as one.

I still think that Fighter and Black Mage are the most main of the characters, but everyone's holding a lot of influence to the storyline... I'm not sure about the Other Warriors, and I don't know where the True Light Warriors are, but I do know Sarda's still screwing around with a lot of stuff -- and whatever is King Steve up to at the moment? He's been manipulating a lot of things just to keep his position of power.

[death_trooper]

Lets face it here people
If i remember from certain sites, kary and lich are two of four monster thingies
so 2 into 4 = 2 left right?
we have NO idea how evil the other two are
maybe im worng though.....i never completed ff1

[Ryong]

There's kraken and uh...I don't remember the other one left.Kraken will probably not be able to talk since, well, he's kraken.Given he's the fiend of ice/water the LW will probably go fight him and see the cultists again.Back on topic, I agree with Seran and Jared.Fighter and BM seem to be the main characters.

[Leon-the-Dark-Knight]

The fourth fiend is Tiamat, the evil counterpart of Bahamut, and she controls the winds. She lives in a high-tech floating tower and has robotic guardians at her disposal. Her magical abilities are on par with black mage, and she has five heads, which means she can hit all of the Light Warriors at the same time, including White mage if she rejoins the party. Tiamat will probably be their most challanging opponent until they take on Lord Chaos. (I know way too much about this game) :sweatdrop

[Bweetza]

Kraken and Tiamat. Tiamat was a dragon being thing with four heads. Apparantley based on Babylonian lore. Kraken was a...kraken, which is a squid-like sea monster. Is said to be so big that you can never see the entire thing at once.

Side note, Kary is either based on the Indian goddess Kali, or based on the creature Lilith, due to the Japanese name of Kary which was Marilith. Lich translates into corpse from old english, the German leiche means the same thing.

EDIT: Bah, procrastinated making sure it was all right and was too late.

[death_trooper]

I remember now..
I wonder what crazy and erotic adventures the light warriors shall have to encounter to face them in combat?
Hold on....Why the hell would they WANT to face them in combat :o
And yes, Black mage and fighter are the main characters in my book of records

[Ryong]

I doubt they'd engage in an erotic adventure when trying to find a giant squid or a technological advanced dragon.Given how nothing happened when they fought against Kary which was pretty much a Lilith and there was no sexual innuendo...

[death_trooper]

knownin black mage, he probally got excited by seeing black belt die a
Gruesomely painful death.
and he can't have got that excited aganist lich king, he WAS sort of dead at the time....

[Leon-the-Dark-Knight]

You guys also should not sell Garland short. I do not know if Brian will do this in 8-Bit, but in the game Garland actually becomes the Lord Chaos. It is kind of hard to explain, but here it goes: in the game Garland was actually in love with Princess Sara, which is why he kidnapped her. When the Light Warriors kill him in the beginning of the game, Garland's spirit somehow gets transported back in time where its hatred of the Light Warriors grows and causes it to become powerful enough to release the four "Fiends of the Elements" upon the world. The fiends drain the life energy from the earth, causing the world to come to the brink of ruin 4000 years later, which is the Light Warriors' present time. After the LWs destroy the fiends in the present, they realize that the position of their lairs create an X over the Temple of Fiends. They go back to the temple, use the Lute that interestingly enough was given to them by Princess Sara, and are transported back 4000 years to the time when Garland is about to unleash the fiends. They have to take on Lich, Kary, Kraken, and Tiamat again, and they are each much more difficult to defeat than they are in the present. They then find out that it is Garland who is the source of the world's ruin, and Garland promptly reveals himself as the Lord Chaos. The wierd part is that if they had just Garland alone in the first place, none of this would have happened. Interesting, huh?

[Locke cole]

I doubt they'd engage in an erotic adventure when trying to find a giant squid or a technological advanced dragon.Given how nothing happened when they fought against Kary which was pretty much a Lilith and there was no sexual innuendo...Actually, there was a bit of innuendo, in episode 474.


Lady, if you weren't trying to kill me, and half made out of snake, I'd be on you like blood on my knife
Quoth the Black Mage.

[bolevar321]

How is that an innuendo?

He meant stabbin', not other stuff!

Geez, head outta the gutter!

[Attila]

How is that an innuendo?

He meant stabbin', not other stuff!

Geez, head outta the gutter!
Gee, let's look at the guy's track record. Of course, if you say he meant stabbing, we'll believe you... :whee:

[Preturbed]

The fourth fiend is Tiamat, the evil counterpart of Bahamut, and she controls the winds. She lives in a high-tech floating tower and has robotic guardians at her disposal. Her magical abilities are on par with black mage, and she has five heads, which means she can hit all of the Light Warriors at the same time, including White mage if she rejoins the party. Tiamat will probably be their most challanging opponent until they take on Lord Chaos. (I know way too much about this game) :sweatdrop

Apparently not quite enough. Tiamat falls to BANE. I think its a near 100% success rate, especially if you have the Bane Sword and a BM to cast it again.

The toughest opponent in the game is, hands down, WarMech. This sweet lil fella lives on the long bridge to Tiamat's shrine room. Try beating him with your Single White Mage Challenge game (I don't know if it can be done).

I imagine the Light Warriors will have to face WarMech at least once, probably after defeating Tiamat.

BM: This wasn't here before. Go check it out, meat-shield.
Fighter: -knocks on the metallic pile of junk-
WarMech NUKES the party.
Everyone: -faceplant death-pose-

[XSarustaX]

after noting about the four elemental monsters, I realise FF9 has to do with them too, (in different names, but)

a water, wind, earth, and fire boss, Earth is Lich, Fire is NOT named Kary but looks the same, Water is Karaken, and Wind is tiamat.

how interiguing.

on topic, i believe the light warriors are ALL the 4 main characters, WM n BB (well, previously) WERE half-mains, as were the Dark Warriors. The True Light Warriors serve as nothing more than filler. And means of transport. (the boat in the cultist ice caves...)

[ryu_planeswalker]

Those were a direct Reference to the FF1 fiends actually.

[Leon-the-Dark-Knight]

Apparently not quite enough. Tiamat falls to BANE. I think its a near 100% success rate, especially if you have the Bane Sword and a BM to cast it again.

Well if you must know, my fighter and Black Belt were able to take her out both times in one round with haste cast on black belt. My melee was so powerful that I did not even consider using other spells. WarMech was sooooo hard, it took me two whole rounds to defeat it.:p

[Preturbed]

Obviously you were running some pretty high level guys, then. You didn't put it in context with Tiamat or Chaos, so I presume you took them out pretty easily as well.

[death_trooper]

the BEST part of this thread is I started the 4 fiends thing :)
I wonder how brian will make tiamat and kraken....
Evil, dumb, funny...
So much to choose...

Garland promptly reveals himself as the Lord Chaos.

WAIT A MINUTE!
if chaos IS garland....and garland in 8-bit theater is pathetic....
OH HO! imagine how funny it'll be when he reveals himself...
God, im laughin already..

[Clord]

Garland didn't knew that he is Chaos in other time. ;) Also Garland before reveals his new more powerful form tell in FF I to Light Warriors that he created time loop. Making same things happen over and over again until Light Warriors defeat he so they broke that time loop.

[rodent347]

I doubt they'd engage in an erotic adventure when trying to find a giant squid or a technological advanced dragon.Given how nothing happened when they fought against Kary which was pretty much a Lilith and there was no sexual innuendo...
Kraken is a monster. He has loads of tentacles. That makes him a tentacle monster...
If there's Bahamut/Matoya, what's to stop Brian from releasing Sarda/Tiamat upon the world?

Also,
And, for the record, I'm not sure if anyone will "become" Chaos.

[death_trooper]

may god have mercy on our souls if he does... :P

[Black Sword]

If Sarda/Tiamat occurs, I think that will be pretty conclusive proof that there is not God...

[Leon-the-Dark-Knight]

If Sarda/Tiamat occurs, I think that will be pretty conclusive proof that there is not God...

Don't stop there, maybe Kraken and Warmek will join the fun as well. Mph, get your freak on! (That's it, tomorrow I am definately getting some professional help) :sweatdrop

[Seran]

[Enter FF1 explanation here]

Absolutely correct. Tiamat arose four hundred years ago apparently, then the Kraken two hundred years later, but Marilith and Lich were unspecified. Apparently, Marilith was supposed to be sleeping for a century until she woke to a disturbance -- the fall of Lich, caused by the Light Warriors who were to drive back the darkness swallowing the land.
When did it say Garland loved Princess Sara though?
[I play Dawn of Souls, and never got to finish the original game...there might be things I know and don't know.]

Speaking of which, in Final Fantasy IIIj, they spoke of a past event called the Flood of Light. Four Warriors of Darkness were selected to drive back this blinding power and restore the balance and peace between the two elements. Does this have anything to do with our splendid Dark Warriors?

[Long-Haired Narcissist]

Absolutely correct. Tiamat arose four hundred years ago apparently, then the Kraken two hundred years later, but Marilith and Lich were unspecified. Apparently, Marilith was supposed to be sleeping for a century until she woke to a disturbance -- the fall of Lich, caused by the Light Warriors who were to drive back the darkness swallowing the land.
When did it say Garland loved Princess Sara though?
[I play Dawn of Souls, and never got to finish the original game...there might be things I know and don't know.]

So far as I know in the FF Origins version, Garland just gets pissed and kidnaps Sara. Nothing more and the earlier games had even less info regarding villain origins.

[Leon-the-Dark-Knight]

Sometimes I remember things that did not actually happen. The whole dark warriors from ff3 is interesting. That is one ff I have not been able to get a hold of. I think I mentioned this awhile ago, but King Steve might actually be the Emperor from FF2. If that is true, then maybe the Light Warriors will run into Firion, Maria, Gus, and "Leon the Dark Knight". It could happen.;)

[Seran]

Ooh! Go to coolrom.com, you can find a translated version there!

Heh, if they really did become Final Fantasy II characters, I'd die of insane laughter throughout the whole time. At home in the morning, in school for the day, and home again for the evening. But if King Steve became emperor, then what of dear Lady Sarah?

[Leon-the-Dark-Knight]

I did not say they would become, I said they might run into the characters from FF2. Thanks for the site recomendation. As for Princess Sarah, well so far she is the only competant villain in the comic. Perhaps she turns out to be Ultamecia from FF8, because we already know that she can tear everyone else a new one if she wanted to. Maybe bm should meet a new love interest, Lulu from FF10, now that is a black mage that I can truely get behind.:D

[Ryong]

Maybe bm should meet a new love interest, Lulu from FF10, now that is a black mage that I can truely get behind.:D

Then Wakka pops out of nowhere and uses his blitzball skills to kill everyone.Then he mumbles something about trying to be a good father.

As far as I remember, there's a little too much difference in the worlds of FF1 and FF2 so unless King Steve got warped to another dimension or something...And about the flood of light, I remember seeing something like that somewhere already...Something like a group of heroes used all they had to get rid of the evil in the world forever but then a problem happened:Light became too strong.Physical catastrophes started happening everywhere, and the only hope of stopping it, ironically, is a group of villains trying to conquer the world.

[Seran]

Well, the Flood of Light was not completely described in Final Fantasy IIIj. Or I just didn't get that far. They did hint at abuse of the power of Light though, so Darkness selected four warriors to strike down the Warriors of Light so that neither would overtake the world. It was not meant to be.

Oh, and sorry for mistaking that for being "become" instead of "meet". I guess I was reading too fast...

Speaking of the Dark Warriors, where are they now? It appears that I think something's up with Garland. It's a suspicion that I am unable to explain, but there's just something about him that I can't put my finger on. No, it's not the "becoming Chaos" theory, but just something a little...off.