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BlackMageGirl!

02-23-2006, 02:59 AM

-Taking a possibly feasible anime idea, making a slight hope that it'll turn out great, and dash that hopes on the rocks of stupid writing.

I'm looking at you Inu-Yasha.

Also:
-An anime that does end well, but there could've been more to it. Thus, needing an encore when there wasn't any. (Kino's Journey for example.)
-Animes that have the same concept. Just HOW many magical girl ones do we need? (If they're cleverly done, then I have no problem...but many aren't. >.<; )
- Horrible Japanese versions. Ones that make you WANT to support dubbing in all it's entirety. (ex. Cowboy Bebop and Gundam Wing)
-When people put only THREE anime episodes on a disk. After awhile, you're too frustrated with the lack of episodes to care anymore. (Note: This is one of the reason that I love Fruits Basket. They have 6 episodes per disk)
-Whenever they kill a well-liked character. Or when the anime turns into a "Everyone fuggin dies!" ending. Also add ruining a good anime with a bad ending, like Evagelion.

And the most obvious: Bad English dubs.

synkr0nized

02-23-2006, 03:14 AM

The fans, mostly.

EVILNess

02-23-2006, 05:45 AM

The fact that anime costs about 20-80% more than a normal show on DVD. Why is FMA $20 a 3 episode DVD, and I can pick up a complete season of almost anything for $50?

And fan boys. Normal people who like anime don't bother me. Its the ones who tout the artistic merits and deep symbolism of the fight between Frieza and Goku. (Yes, someone has.)

Mauve Mage

02-23-2006, 10:49 AM

-Whenever they kill a well-liked character. I'm looking at YOU, Cowboy Bebop and Witch Hunter Robin!! Um... well... that wasn't a TOTAL spoiler, I guess... I didn't say WHO dies...

I hate when they take a good action/adventure plot and end up filling the last three seasons with "Oh, how I love you!" "Oh, my love, we can never be together because we're too different!" "Oh, but let us be in love anyway!" "Yeah, okay." (INUYASHA!!!)

And then they make FULL-LENGTH MOVIES which have the potential to be filled with awesomeness, and then they just turn all THREE movies into "Some fighting, sappy love story between two main characters, then just throw in cameos of the favorite characters who really have nothing to do with the storyline." (Once more, INUYASHA!!)

Fifthfiend

02-23-2006, 11:05 AM

Animes that have the same concept. Just HOW many magical girl ones do we need? (If they're cleverly done, then I have no problem...but many aren't. >.<; )

Agreed but with the caveat that you cannot possibly have enough giant robots.

Horrible Japanese versions. Ones that make you WANT to support dubbing in all it's entirety. (ex. Cowboy Bebop and Gundam Wing)

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Kaelus

02-23-2006, 03:17 PM

Cowboy Bebop's soundtrack is so persuasive that you even forget about the voices. >_>

Okay, more Inuyasha bashing: the damn thing never ends. Naraku always runs away. Inuyasha has the same battle strategy (I.E., none). Kagome never confesses her love. Neither does Sango. Nor Miroku. And on and on the show goes, endlessly... -_- I'd also like to mention every obscenely popular shounen anime that bases its plot in "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FRIENDSHIP FIGHT FIGHT TRY HARDER FIGHT CUTE LITTLE MONSTERS FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT CARTOONISH VILLAINY FIGHT FIGHT DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR DREAMS FIGHT FIGHT THE CHARACTERS NEVER DIE OF SO MUCH FIGHTING AND WHEN THEY DO THEY'RE ALWAYS RESURRECTED, WHEE!". This includes Naruto, DBZ, Yu-Gi-Oh! and some parts of One Piece. Saint Seiya can get a little like that sometimes, but I still love the series. Ever noticed how they bleed an olympic pool every battle and walk around like nothing's happened? Or when they break all of their bones and continue the fight normally? And dammit, when you get killed, STAY DEAD! ><"

What else do I hate?... Oh yeah, annoying female characters. Too fun, too cute, too loved, too positive, high-pitched voice? Screw you bitch, I don't trust you. (Yes, Tohru Honda. I'm talking to you.) Snobbish girls in skimpy outfits beating male characters to a bloody pulp for no reason are also in this cathegory. And apathic and useless ones too. These girls are only good to serve as a weakness of the main character.

Another dreadful thing: high school romance stories. I can't help but think that young people in Japan have a twisted notion of love. Everytime I try to read Ichigo 100% or Love Hina, I throw up. I've never seen anything so childish and perverted at the same time.

Hmm, guess that's it for now. ^^

PS: Mahou Sensei Negima is GROSS.

Aerozord

02-23-2006, 03:22 PM

Well I dont care if they kill off a character, it can add alot to a show. Like FMA and...well you know who.

I hate it when they change voice actors mid-series. some times its good like with DBZ (I was listening to the old ones and it was like nails on a chalk board). Still give us some credit to notice.

4 Kids is the single worst thing to happen to anime. They took a dark ultra-violent anime like yugioh and turned it into a kids show. I cant even watch it anymore. I hate you 4 Kids, you killed my love of saturday morning cartoons.

Majin Darshe

02-23-2006, 03:28 PM

Kaelus

02-23-2006, 03:34 PM

Majin Darshe

02-23-2006, 04:15 PM

Yeah, I know. I have read all the available manga, but couldn't stand watching the whole anime series.

And precisely, it will end at chapter 500. FIVE HUNDRED.

Anime series can be perfect with 13 TV episodes. There is absolutely no need for that much filling.

It's insane.

Some anime series can be told with just 13 episodes, some cannot. Its an entirely case by case basis. Hell, my favorite anime of all time is Haibane Renmei, which is only 13 episodes long, and my favorite OAV is Voices of a Distant star which is only 25 MINUTES long. Some stories drag, some stories just need more room to be told. Looking at the Inuyasha manga, I can't honestly say that I would take out a single page. So far, it's just been one, enourmous and fun experience for me. The anime however, is just padded to death in my opinion...hell, over 1/4 of the series wasn't even in the manga...and that's only ONE of my many complaints about it (what they did to Kikyou...)

Kaelus

02-23-2006, 04:21 PM

If you say it's case by case, I won't argue, then. In my opinion, lots of things in the manga are superfluous, or told in a repetitive way. I was lost in the middle of the story inumerous times... I had to search the previous editions to remember what are were they doing at the moment and why. Some episodes are really good, of course... but I have the urge to burn the manga everytime Miroku tries to use the only teffective attack he has, and the poisonous bees appear. GRAH!

Fifthfiend

02-23-2006, 04:22 PM

4 Kids is the single worst thing to happen to anime. They took a dark ultra-violent anime like yugioh and turned it into a kids show.

I'm sorry, was it something other than a TV show about a card game? What did they do in the Japanese version, wave the cards at one another in a slightly more menacing manner? Occasionally use naughty words in the course of the eight-hour exposition that was required every time someone used a goddamn card?

BlackMageGirl!

02-23-2006, 04:28 PM

gundevako

02-23-2006, 06:07 PM

Another one is how the manga rocks ass, but the anime COMPLETELY kills it. Why can't we have shows where anime and manga are both good? (Note: it's not like they don't exist, but that they're just hard to find.)

So true, I tend to find a lot of anime is just watered down versions of good manga, even in the original Japanese.
I personally prefer manga..period.

Overcast

02-23-2006, 07:48 PM

Ahh but then you get a nice little problem with those who are better as an anime to the manga. For example, many a person I know seems to prefer the anime of Azumanga Daioh to the manga (I guess more stories makes them smile) not saying either version is bad it is just in some people's cases the anime was better. Also you got the from anime to manga instead of vise versa versions like Wolf's Rain which was long enough in the anime but was cut down to two volumes in its manga form. Then you got those which as far as I know never reach manga like those done by Satoshi Kon(even though he mostly does movies you also got Parnoia Agent[aka Mousou dairinin] recently) I choose not to take sides on that for those reasons, it is just in the end which ever way it goes.

BlackMageGirl!

02-23-2006, 08:08 PM

True true, what I was referring to were the animes that were horrible. Just because both versions are different (DN Angel anyone?) doesn't mean they were bad. Just the same story told in two different ways.

gundevako

02-23-2006, 08:22 PM

Sorry I think I should have expressed myself in other words. Although there are anime that are good that are based on Manga, there are also a lot which are just marketing ploys. Most of my favorite manga does not have a respective anime worth talking about.
My personal opinion is that I like manga more, however that does not mean I do not like some anime. I am just saying, good manga does not good anime make.

Novasol

02-23-2006, 08:31 PM

I'm sorry, was it something other than a TV show about a card game? What did they do in the Japanese version, wave the cards at one another in a slightly more menacing manner? Occasionally use naughty words in the course of the eight-hour exposition that was required every time someone used a goddamn card?

From what I understand (I don't follow the show, but I've seen nerds bicker about it), they've done the following:
- Cut out the entire first season, which consisted primarily of Yugi killing people by breaking their minds.
- Removed several deaths, gory scenes, and even hints at deaths. Example of this sort of change (paraphrased): Kaiba in the original: If you play that card, I'll jump off this castle and commit suicide.
Kaiba in the dub: If you play that card... I might fall and get hurt!
- Shadow realm didn't exist. They just fucking died.
- That saw of psychic energy in some of the episodes of Battle City? It was just a plain ol' saw in the original. And it sawed the legs off of the loser of that duel (incidentally, this was also cut).

Probably lots of other things I don't know about.

CelesJessa

02-23-2006, 09:57 PM

One thing that annoys me about some animes is when they basically milk it for all it's worth. (*coughinuyashacough*) After awhile it's like "Oh look, Kagome got kidnapped AGAIN!" or "Someone stole the jewel... again!" It just drags on FOREVER when it could have ended really well earlier.

POS Industries

02-24-2006, 12:27 AM

- Cut out the entire first season, which consisted primarily of Yugi killing people by breaking their minds.

Well, from what I saw of the manga, he wasn't just breaking their minds. Dude was putting together elaborate game-themed death traps for people who did terribly unimpressive things like making the girl he liked cry. Because a show about a boy possessed by the ghost of a psychotic egyptian king wandering the streets killing people on whim should totally be brought stateside and shown to little kids.

It just makes sense.

Fifthfiend

02-24-2006, 10:15 AM

From what I understand (I don't follow the show, but I've seen nerds bicker about it), they've done the following:
- Cut out the entire first season, which consisted primarily of Yugi killing people by breaking their minds.
- Removed several deaths, gory scenes, and even hints at deaths. Example of this sort of change (paraphrased): Kaiba in the original: If you play that card, I'll jump off this castle and commit suicide.
Kaiba in the dub: If you play that card... I might fall and get hurt!
- Shadow realm didn't exist. They just fucking died.
- That saw of psychic energy in some of the episodes of Battle City? It was just a plain ol' saw in the original. And it sawed the legs off of the loser of that duel (incidentally, this was also cut).

Probably lots of other things I don't know about.

So instead of sending each other to the Shadow Realm by playing cards at each other, they outright murder each other... by playing cards at each other.

...nope, still just as stupid.

Maybe even stupider, I'll have to think about it.

Novasol

02-24-2006, 11:20 AM

So instead of sending each other to the Shadow Realm by playing cards at each other, they outright murder each other... by playing cards at each other.

...nope, still just as stupid.

Maybe even stupider, I'll have to think about it.

Wasn't always by playing cards at each other.

Look, I'm not saying it's a paragon of storytelling here. I'm just saying that 4Kids absolutely sodomized something that was even more violent and crappier than what they produced as a result.

Donomni

02-24-2006, 01:09 PM

Yeah, we can all agree with 4kids being evil incarnate.
One thing I'm annoyed about is the fact that if you want to watch anime on TV, you need to be a friggin' insomniac to do so(Which is not possible during the last year of high school).

Mauve Mage

02-24-2006, 01:31 PM

I hate cutesy animal sidekicks. HATE them. With a PASSION. Even though most animes involving cute animal sidekicks suck to begin with. But the cuteness just forces them further down the road of destruction and doom.

When I first saw Momo, or whatever the heck the flying squirrel's name was in Samurai Champloo, I thought I was going to cry. Why the hell include a flying, sqeaking squirrel in a show involving samurai hacking limbs off people? Luckily, the creators have the decency to keep his/her involvement in the plot to a bare minimum.

The only exception to this rule would be Ein from Cowboy Bebop. He's cute, but he's not annoying-cute. He doesn't talk or squeak or grow cute little wings or save the planet with the help of his magical-girl friend and her magical deck of cards/ wand of power/ magic animal transformation power.

Kitana Paladine

02-24-2006, 09:48 PM

Bad English dubs are bad, but have you ever seen an English sub where they get the names of two of the main charries bass ackwards? I saw a very very bad sub of Yu Yu Hakusho during the Dark Tourney arc, and the sub named Hiei Kurama and Kurama Hiei.

Another problem I have with Anime is when, just because of the timeslot its being aired in, they cut most of a fight out just to avoid showing all the blood(YYH, Kurama vs Karasu). Or! They cut out how a charrie beat someone in a match because they used a cigarette(again, YYH, during the tourney at Genkai's).

Then there is taking a 6-part manga like Akira and turning it into a movie that cuts most of the story in the manga out just to save time. Granted, I like the movie, but after reading as much of the manga as I have, I have to admit the manga is so much better. Adding to this, take the anime for Rurouni Kenshini. They covered up to the Kyoto arc(with Shishio), and touched a little on the next manga arc, which had something to do with a betrayal in Kenshin's past, then jumped to anime-only storylines. They never finished animating the manga, and from what I understand, don't plan to either. Which irks me, because manga where I live is rather pricey, and watching the anime is all I can do 90% of the time.

Okay. Enough of that. Sorry for the rant!

CelesJessa

02-25-2006, 11:48 AM

Adding to this, take the anime for Rurouni Kenshini. They covered up to the Kyoto arc(with Shishio), and touched a little on the next manga arc, which had something to do with a betrayal in Kenshin's past, then jumped to anime-only storylines. They never finished animating the manga, and from what I understand, don't plan to either. Which irks me, because manga where I live is rather pricey, and watching the anime is all I can do 90% of the time.

Also the next manga arc is very good, having to do with Kenshin's brother-in-law and a group of other "people" hunting down Kenshin and getting revenge for Kenshin's past transgressions. (it has a lot of information on Kenshin when he was a cold hearted hitokiri, which I think it quite interesting, as well as how he got his two scars (I don't know if the anime tells about that, but that's the story arc where they were supposed to tell about it.) So it would have been nice if they included that too.

One thing that annoys me about anime fans is the people who refuse to watch an anime simply because it is "mainstream" and treat those who watch those animes as lesser anime fans because of such. Appearantly if a lot of people like it, it automatically must not be very good?

Aerozord

02-25-2006, 07:37 PM

I'm sorry, was it something other than a TV show about a card game? What did they do in the Japanese version, wave the cards at one another in a slightly more menacing manner? Occasionally use naughty words in the course of the eight-hour exposition that was required every time someone used a goddamn card?
well that for one, its not a show about a card game. Its a show about a master gamer that uses black magic. Challenges range from the roll of a die to defeating a serial killer while being chained to him. The card game didn't even appear untill late in the first season.

The stakes also varied. In the show they always its your soul, but often it was death plain and simple. One example was the loser was blown up, another was his legs were chopped off. When it actually was the shadow realm, they weren't just casted into it, their souls were tormented in various ways. When Kiaba lost first time (the real first time not the one you saw on TV) his punishment was having his body being devoured by his monsters again and again. Do you wanna know why Kiaba is after him? Its because he literally went insane from the pain.

Now I am not saying its the best show ever, but what made it good was it was about using twisted games to tourment and kill people. I mean if you dont like stories about using black magic to kill peoples minds and shred their souls then you wouldn't like it. If your a gamer with an inner sadist then its the show for you

Fifthfiend

02-25-2006, 08:13 PM

well that for one, its not a show about a card game. Its a show about a master gamer that uses black magic. Challenges range from the roll of a die to defeating a serial killer while being chained to him. The card game didn't even appear untill late in the first season.

The stakes also varied. In the show they always its your soul, but often it was death plain and simple. One example was the loser was blown up, another was his legs were chopped off. When it actually was the shadow realm, they weren't just casted into it, their souls were tormented in various ways. When Kiaba lost first time (the real first time not the one you saw on TV) his punishment was having his body being devoured by his monsters again and again. Do you wanna know why Kiaba is after him? Its because he literally went insane from the pain.

Now I am not saying its the best show ever, but what made it good was it was about using twisted games to tourment and kill people. I mean if you dont like stories about using black magic to kill peoples minds and shred their souls then you wouldn't like it. If your a gamer with an inner sadist then its the show for you

....

Fair enough, actually.

I mean the endless exposition and ridiculously convoluted insistence upon using a card game as a standin for actual murderings makes sense in the context of them all being a pack of sadistic psychopaths.

Y'know, it'd be like complaining why does the Riddler go leaving clues for Batman all the time, it's cause he's a crazy nutter, that's the point.

I mean I don't know if that would make it watchable, but, at least I can understand.

Red Fighter 1073

02-25-2006, 08:35 PM

The one thing i do NOT understand at all is why American networks want to play these violent animes if they have to cut out of all the violence. Like with DBZ, One Piece, Yu Gi Oh, why play these violent shows? I guess it would make sense if Japan found these shows to be popular, but how could these shows be popular in America if so much has been cut out.

With Rurouni Kenshin, I actually liked the anime for a while, and i have never really read the manga. (for really any japanese show as a matter of fact..) anyway, i actually enjoyed it for a while. its just that after a while, i started growing tired of how after each sentence Kenshin would end his sentence with "That it is.." Also, i just got sick of how unrealistic his moves were. How he could jump up to the ceiling and bounce off and kill someone is beyond me..

Mondt

02-25-2006, 10:16 PM

The Lower Body : Upper Body proportions.

How he could jump up to the ceiling and bounce off and kill someone is beyond me..
I don't think it was supposed to be realistic, as I remember the guy who disappears by moving so fast and killing somone by slashing them 3 times across the chest.

Majin Darshe

02-26-2006, 01:54 PM

With Rurouni Kenshin, I actually liked the anime for a while, and i have never really read the manga. (for really any japanese show as a matter of fact..) anyway, i actually enjoyed it for a while. its just that after a while, i started growing tired of how after each sentence Kenshin would end his sentence with "That it is.." Also, i just got sick of how unrealistic his moves were. How he could jump up to the ceiling and bounce off and kill someone is beyond me..

Kenshin's weird speach pattern is due to a massive mistranslation of his dialoge in the english dub. In the original japanese version, he simply sounds super-formal and polite, and thus, had much longer sentences and lip-movements than most people would have when they spoke. The translators for the dub however, apparently didn't know how to deal with this correctly, so they just made him speak like he was freakin' canadian or something.

As for his unrealistic moves...it's anime. Moves like that are so common, it SHOULD NOT be an issue, hell, if you still have issues after watching for so long, you probably aren't going to like most anime at all. Oddly enough, RK is probably has somewhat more realistic battle physics than most anime and manga...somewhat.

gizmodude4

02-26-2006, 02:53 PM

Aerozord

02-26-2006, 06:14 PM

As for his unrealistic moves...it's anime. Moves like that are so common, it SHOULD NOT be an issue, hell, if you still have issues after watching for so long, you probably aren't going to like most anime at all. Oddly enough, RK is probably has somewhat more realistic battle physics than most anime and manga...somewhat.
They were unrealistic, although not unbelievable. But what I find odd is how realistic Samurai X is. Heck its based on a true story. I just find the contrast wierd since they are part of the same time-line and everything

Majin Darshe

02-28-2006, 01:29 PM

They were unrealistic, although not unbelievable. But what I find odd is how realistic Samurai X is. Heck its based on a true story. I just find the contrast wierd since they are part of the same time-line and everything

It's not essentially based on a true story, the manga author just based some characters on real people (Kenshin was LOOSELY based on a legendary hitokiri, Kawakami Gensai), and others were his own take on actual historic figures (there WAS a real Saitou Hajime who WAS a member of the Shishingumi), but other than taking place during actual historic events...

IN my opinion, the director decision to make Trust/Betrayel/Samurai X so realistic was a big mistake, as it pretty much missed the point of the what Kenshin is all about (like how Kenshin got the second half of his scar...), which is why I think the original version in the manga is so much better. It says "This is OUR Kenshin. He's darker, more withdrawn, and more pessimistic, but OUR Kenshin is still in there somewhere".

The Kenshin in Trust/Betrayel/Samurai X however, is NOT our Kenshin. Which is why I think that, despite being well animated and directed, it fails on virtually every level.

Dj_StarChild

02-28-2006, 03:24 PM

you know what I hate?

1. People who watch anime on TV. You're 2 years behind japan. I already know how FMA ends. Sorry.
2. All this talk of inuyasha. It's a crappy show. No one liscences good shows, for some reason.
3. Shows that go on and on, and then...don't end. Ranma: 7 seasons, no ending.
4. The 'hip' american character, who speaks in bad engrish, and everyone else thinks is cool.
5.When the subtitles don't include the romanji version of the theme song. I like to sing along.
6. 15 minute long episodes. I want the full 23 minutes.
7. This ties in with earlier ones, but I hate that the only truly good anime I've seen as yet that has been released in the US on TV is FMA.

on a similar note: I love it when characters die. I watch anime for the emotional rollercoasters, not the incredibly repetitive 'OMG I'M GONNA BLAST YOU NOW!' scenes.

Overcast

02-28-2006, 07:28 PM

The theme songs. Don't get me wrong, they're good sonically, but as far as words go, just wow. I've never seen an anime theme song that doesn't either include love, hate, feathers, flying ribbons, naked people, or feelings. Not sayin it's bad, but when you could write a song like, "I love how the naked people with feathers fly above the heavens, hating nobody, as I show my feelings for you through these flying ribbons," there's something wrong.
Hmm strange argument since it is only really half true...I mean sure some of them do include something assimilar(alot of anime are about love or hate and it hard to stop it what can I say...alot of american songs too) but alot of them don't really have a combo. I hate to go into detail but I think I will for a little bit. Hmm lets say one example is boogiepop phantom's theme Yuudachi which lacks any of the things you said are in the anime you found...Then you got Berserk, BlackJack, Bleach, or for a better example the opening "For Fruits Basket"(if you don't know where it is from I will kill you) which talks about feelings and love and never says the words hee hee so that can really give you something since Fruits Basket is a nice shojo romance anime. Hmm I could go on but I just still giggle over the Fruits Basket point. I don't like to be a downer just like to point out some truth.

Red Fighter 1073

02-28-2006, 08:41 PM

1. People who watch anime on TV. You're 2 years behind japan. I already know how FMA ends. Sorry.

Where do you see the Subbed (I'm assuming) versions of the anime then? I'm not doubting that you do see these episodes or anything, but I don't really know where to find any subbed animes on the Internet. I've tried some downloading programs, but they don't seem to come up with stuff.

The theme songs. Don't get me wrong, they're good sonically, but as far as words go, just wow.

ehh.. they're OK. I'll agree about the words. Though, I'm not really sure about what the words actually entail seeing as how most theme songs are in Japanese. Though, I do like a few theme songs. The 2nd season theme song ending for FMA is pretty good even though it's in Japanese. Besides that one, I like Samurai Champloo's Theme Song "Battlecry" by Nujabes. Also, Cowboy Bebop's theme song "Tank!" isn't too bad either.

but, i will agree for the most part that I don't really like the theme songs. Though, I wouldn't really care as much about the Theme Song as long as the anime is good.

Fifthfiend

02-28-2006, 09:49 PM

My favorite part about anime is the theme songs.

Mainly the fact that they're in a language which I in no way understand.

It's a chance to enjoy the human voice on a purely sonic and gut-emotional level. Without a bunch of fucking stupid lyrics getting in the way.

Cause really most lyrics, from any culture, are just fucking stupid and getting in the way.

Overcast

02-28-2006, 09:50 PM

Gah I love some of those theme songs though...and the only reason I feel weird is because all you asaid were mainstream....What about Duvet(Lain)? What about Gardian Angel(Technolyze)? Gawd what about Ride ON Shooting Star(FLCL) and Byakuya(D.N. Angel)? I can calm down but it just felt wierd only seeing the mainstream titles.

Aerozord

02-28-2006, 10:43 PM

Coinspinner

03-01-2006, 04:10 AM

Tres~Ino

03-01-2006, 08:18 AM

I hate the typical hero character. Either he's headstrong, brash, and generally stupid, or he's the strong silent type. Either way, he's get's a entourage, though niether of these character types should. ( I know that was a bad sentance, but I've been up for far to long.)

I don't like crappy film quality when I get my fan subs.
I don't like CLAP. I'm sorry, but I've yet to see they make anything really good.
I don't like japanese voice actors. They sound terrible, most all of the time.
I don't like state side voice actors. They do it for the money, most of them at least. ( If your curious about that, send me a PM, as I ABOSLUTELY refuse to indulge you publicly.)
I don't like when a good anime series ends. ( Odds are, if I watched it long enough for me to see the ending, I didn't want it. Ranma is awesome for that reason. However, I never liked Inuyasha anyway, so it's size doesn't bother me)
I don't like how there is never enough Mecha anime, goods ones. I'm very persnickity about my mechs.
I don't like the very last part of Neon Genesis, because it's hard to tell what is actually going on there. Which means that I need to get my hands on End Of Evengelion, but I'd much rather bitch.
I don't like when fans change characters for their fan fics.
I don't like fan fics.
I don't like how the best characters in an anime or manga, almost never get their own series.
I don't like Naruto, the character. Shikimaru is best. ( If I actually got his name right...)

Anyway, I know I have more, but I'll get into those another time. The way the Kenshin dude speaks, whatever his name was, it actually has a name. I THINK it's called Garuzu...If not, it's something very close to that. I know this becuase the author of Naruto put it in his notes about Kakashi. Kakashi was supposed to use Garuzu, or whatever, but it got cut for reasons I don't remember.

BlackMageGirl!

03-01-2006, 12:32 PM

I don't like CLAP. I'm sorry, but I've yet to see they make anything really good.
Confused, did you mean CLAMP?

I don't like the very last part of Neon Genesis, because it's hard to tell what is actually going on there. Which means that I need to get my hands on End Of Evengelion, but I'd much rather bitch.
The End of Evangelion didn't clear things up, really. Not only did it rape your mind, but it left you goin' "...why is this happening? Why??" Suffice to say, don't watch it. It's a waste of money.

Kaelus

03-01-2006, 01:14 PM

In fact, The End Of Evangelion was only good to give the characters epic deaths. I advise you to watch for the action, and pay no attention to the plot. Seriously, the first OVA (Death and Rebirth) is MUCH better and enjoyable to watch.

Tres~Ino, I bet you only dislike CLAMP because they do shoujo stuff. ._. X/1999 is one of my favorites... it IS possible to get emotional without being melodramatic. >_>

Mauve Mage

03-01-2006, 01:36 PM

My favorite part about anime is the theme songs.

Mainly the fact that they're in a language which I in no way understand.
[...]
Cause really most lyrics, from any culture, are just fucking stupid and getting in the way. It's fun to sing the japanese version, without knowing what the hell you're really saying.

I haven't seen an episode of Cowboy Bebop in at least a year and a half. I can remember the Japanese words to the ending theme, but I barely remember the English translation. It's much more fun to just belt out the Japanese and pretend you know what you're talking about.

You either love anime theme songs or hate them with all your heart. For the most part, anime theme songs fit into either: A) Really pretty-sounding B) Annoying as heck or C) Annoying, but they eventually grow on you until you find yourself humming them. Most Inu-Yasha songs fit into categories C and A. The Trigun and S*cry*ed (SP? Never watched it that often) songs fit into B. Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop fit into A.

Raiden

03-01-2006, 01:43 PM

But the S-cry-ed theme songs are on my IPod. Hell, it's what I exercise to!

Plus the first FMA theme song is on there, too. So I'm cool.

Kaelus

03-01-2006, 01:48 PM

(Kimi no te de kirisaite tooi hi no kioku wo... okay, okay, I'll stop. ._.)

Everytime I hear an anime song, I have the urge to download it (http://gendou.com) and find out what is it saying (www.animelyrics.com). Then I start humming it for months, annoying and/or freaking out my colleagues.

It's just almost all songs sound above average to me. XD And when I listen to a theme song, I instantly remember the anime... oh well. That makes me smile a little.

Mondt

03-01-2006, 03:04 PM

7. This ties in with earlier ones, but I hate that the only truly good anime I've seen as yet that has been released in the US on TV is FMA.I agree for the most part. I really liked Rurouni Kenshin (sp?) for the reasons that there were violence and the Kenshin is kind of like my brother... y'know, with crazy samurai skills.You either love anime theme songs or hate them with all your heart. Ha! I'm indifferent. Take that!
And since you mentioned it, I like Cowboy Bebop too.

phil_

03-01-2006, 05:23 PM

I hated the S-cry-ed theme the first few times I heard it. Then I heard the guy yell, allegedly, "Sympathy!" It was one of the funniest things I ever heard and I began to look foward to S-cry-ed just for the theme song.

Also, I think it's fun to imagine Raiden working out in a white undershirt, black bike-shorts, and pink sweatbands and leg warmers. He thrusts his fist in the air every time an English word shows up as he does high-steps. What joy.

But, this isn't a thread about being positive, is it? Since Starky set the precendent of anime gripes including fans, I believe this fits.

I hate it when people dislike an anime due to horrible localisation that might happen at some point twenty episodes down the road that they've convinced themselves will, without a doubt, happen.

Guess what? Haku's a boy and Gai's favorite student is Rock Lee.

Premonitions

03-01-2006, 06:23 PM

Arbitraily placed androygenous characters that are too good at being the opposite sex.
Envy's a dude
Haku's a dude
That guy with the wierd sword from Inu's a dude. If you want a character to be that way cool, your business, but don't just plop that kinda confusion on everyone, at least get a male voice actor so we can guess. Then, you allow all the characters to know off the bat when realisticly if you saw Haku walking down the street....

Overcast

03-01-2006, 07:07 PM

But....that is just it you aren't supposed to know it is a dude...Envy had his little problem sure but if you look at the name it kinda fits. And Haku has that way to make things seem underestimative. Also depending on what goes on the voice actor/ress won't affect much...like the voice for Naruto in the Japanese voice over is a girl. Knowing ruins the charcter(hell haku is supposed to be mistaken in the seiries) so you can't take that out. Just be happy that it isn't something that happens toooo often.

Premonitions

03-01-2006, 07:16 PM

That's the thing they all knew, in every instance when such a character comes up, the main character's know. And I think freiza was'nt supposed to be such a character but, god dammit, Shim looked like a female, talked like a female and even behaved like a mean old lady until he went "TO THE NEXT POWER LEVEL!!!" That guy from The band of Seven, I'm sure there was something that was supposed to be mentioned but they just let it roll. I'd prefer some kind of warning.
Yep, I want a "STRANGE, GENDER CONFUSING CHARACTER COMING UP" screen before being introduced
edit:I can't beleive I forgot all the racism smacking up and down some anime. How did I let that slip

Overcast

03-01-2006, 07:28 PM

Hmm well as you might want is how you say (I must admit freiza was pretty bad) And yeah Jakotsu was actually a dude the whole way and was revealed to be pretty early in his appearence in the sub I got(I haven't watched it in a while since I lost it) but yeah definitly a dud and never really explained that in the one on adult swim.

Aerozord

03-01-2006, 11:25 PM

I kinda wonder if Frieza is asexual like Namiks. But when he is in his second form, that is a guys voice. Band of Seven, I think he was just supposed to be gay, steriotypical to a point. Envy...I think Envy should have been a girl period, but for the record Envy isn't really a guy or girl since he doesn't recall his original form so for all we know Envy was a girl. Point is Envy is whatever gender he/she wants to be

Tres~Ino

03-01-2006, 11:55 PM

I did in fact mean CLAMP. I misspelled it because I'm lazy, and I don't look over my posts.

On the Racism note, I must agree. Although it is funny to see the black dudes with the overly big lips, it's also...well, it's just sort of annoying. ( That's my simple touch on that matter)

As for Evangelion, I actualled liked the plot. I can't stand action with no plot, it's annoying. I understood the end, just at the very last moment, I had no idea what the hell was going on, and that pissed me off. However, I still want to see both movies. Death And Rebirth, is the first one, I think, and End Of Evangelion is the second.

Anyway, I don't like most drama style animes. They just aren't gripping.
Fantasy Drama is the exception. Example: Spirited Away. I loved it. It's a drama as far as I'm concerned.

OH! And another thing. I can't stand X. Why? Becuase ti was just horrible the whole way through. It had one of the worst endings ever, and the card game of WSC sucks because the cards don't have numbers, so I can't find a translation guide, so I have to play somewhat blindly. Other than that, I actually like the card game. It's neat.

synkr0nized

03-02-2006, 12:27 AM

Aerozord

03-02-2006, 12:34 AM

quick Eva question. Its been so long I might be totally off, but is Pilot Cadet (somthing like that, been awhile) taking place in the same time-line/universe. Their mechs are alot like Evas

synkr0nized

03-02-2006, 03:36 AM

Candidate for Goddess is in no way related to Shin Seiki Evangelion, unless you want to make artisitc comparisons or something like that that is external to the story/plot.

Fifthfiend

03-02-2006, 09:50 AM

I like how this thread makes me agree with my own post, what with all of the opinions being used as quantitative measures of "correct" fandom or foundations for concrete denotations of what is "good" and "bad."

I'm sorry that you have such an aversion to strongly stated opinon, though I should think that this would be at least somewhat ameliorated by the thread stating in the title and opening post that it is intended for pet peeves and personal complaints, which presumably would indicate to readers that comments thereafter are intended to be taken as such, regardless of such wording as may have been used by an author to affect a desired voice or tone.

In regards to Evangelion, who wants to be corrected first?

In regards to Evangelion, it is indisputably correct that Evangelion sucks balls!

Kaelus

03-02-2006, 04:45 PM

Anyway, I don't like most drama style animes. They just aren't gripping.

...how can you say that you don't like drama and compliment Evangelion's plot? If you think Evangelion is all about the bloody, cannibal battles, there must be something very wrong with you. o_O'

Eva had everything to be the perfect anime, but it's way too depressive. They show the characters facing their flaws, but not overcoming them. They just all die in a very confusing and rather meaningless way.

OH! And another thing. I can't stand X. Why? Becuase ti was just horrible the whole way through. It had one of the worst endings ever.

The ending in the anime and movie don't match the manga ending. And it ends just like Eva: everybody dies and only the angsty teen survives, whee! And you're only saying it's horrible because you don't like drama, and probably shoujo too.

PS: androgynous charismatic characters RAWK.

Premonitions

03-02-2006, 06:06 PM

Also, I think it's fun to imagine Raiden working out in a white undershirt, black bike-shorts, and pink sweatbands and leg warmers. He thrusts his fist in the air every time an English word shows up as he does high-steps. What joy.
They're purple. They are the only goddamned things he wears when he exercises. Yeah, that thing, You know the wierd looking thing that you can't remember where it came from? Yo. Don't look into the camera, It breaks the fourth wall.

Aerozord

03-02-2006, 06:09 PM

They're purple. They are the only goddamned things he wears when he exercises. Yeah, that thing, You know the wierd looking thing that you can't remember where it came from? Yo. Don't look into the camera, It breaks the fourth wall.
Please! if you have any mercy do not tell us how you know that. AAAHHH the image is already entering my head:gonk:

Premonitions

03-02-2006, 06:26 PM

He's got a scar right above his- I'm now holding your sanity ransome. If you wish to not hear the end of that sentence, You will send 12,000 dollars to 729 37 street Savannah georgia.

synkr0nized

03-02-2006, 06:51 PM

I'm sorry that you have such an aversion to strongly stated opinon, though I should think that this would be at least somewhat ameliorated by the thread stating in the title and opening post that it is intended for pet peeves and personal complaints, which presumably would indicate to readers that comments thereafter are intended to be taken as such, regardless of such wording as may have been used by an author to affect a desired voice or tone.

In regards to Evangelion, it is indisputably correct that Evangelion sucks balls!

I never stated an aversion to them, though I suppose you are welcome to read that into my post. I'm only stating that such things make it easier to dislike fellow fans. Also, I think we're failing to notice the hypocrisy of me posting something like that.

Furthermore, the latter bit of your post has thus rendered your opinion null-and-void due to the fourth paragraph of the seventh charter drafted by the Council of Fanboy/girl and also possibly the Murdock Institute.

In anime, foreign people all speak Japanese. At least English audio versions, horrid acting or not, provide accents.

Majin Darshe

03-02-2006, 08:04 PM

The ending in the anime and movie don't match the manga ending. And it ends just like Eva: everybody dies and only the angsty teen survives, whee! And you're only saying it's horrible because you don't like drama, and probably shoujo too.

PS: androgynous charismatic characters RAWK.

The X movie is one of the greatest abominations in cinimatic history. The TV series is much better (although the TV series ending irked me a just a little bit, and the manga has been on indefinate hiatus for the past couple years, as the publishers of the magazine it was serialized in pulled the plug on it, due to the "unacceptable" amount of violence the series had, and apparently they also wanted CLAMP to change the way the manga would end...unfortunately they decided to put the manga on hiatus when it was at THE MOST ENORMOUS CLIFFHANGER EVER!!!!)

At least we have Tsubasa...Seishirou dressed as a priest...so hot it should be illegal.

PCD

03-02-2006, 11:59 PM

Tournaments.

I'm not saying they can't be interesting, but they... they're just so overused. Yuyu Hakusho has had, what, three now? And Shaman King was nothing but one big, stinkin' tournament. Then there's the Dragon Ball series. Why were those things so important, anyway?
They just drag on. It's a convenient way for the main character to fight the bad guys, but stalling by making you wait until the very last round, fighting a bunch of people who are only partially important, if at all. I'm sorry, but it's just so unoriginal.
I especially hate when they do it in manga; one battle takes a whole volume. It's a complete waste.

willyolio

03-03-2006, 12:19 AM

Where do you see the Subbed (I'm assuming) versions of the anime then? I'm not doubting that you do see these episodes or anything, but I don't really know where to find any subbed animes on the Internet. I've tried some downloading programs, but they don't seem to come up with stuff.
i suppose you haven't heard of google, either, since the first 3 results give more than enough to get started.
Eva had everything to be the perfect anime, but it's way too depressive. They show the characters facing their flaws, but not overcoming them. They just all die in a very confusing and rather meaningless way.
as it should be. happy endings suck ass.

Donomni

03-03-2006, 12:26 PM

Here's one common in forums:

The neverending bickering between Rahxephon and Evangelion. I liked them both myself. :D

Majin Darshe

03-03-2006, 04:46 PM

Roland

03-09-2006, 10:47 PM

Let's see...

Children saving the world.
The unlikely heroes of an anime involving unlikely heroes being able to live normal, everyday lives.
The combination of the above, plus the fact that they do this by themselves, with no help from anything. No, not even cute cuddly monsters.
People dying pointlessly. It's one thing when they foreshadow a death, or give some meaning to it. But you don't need to introduce characters, then kill them off seconds/minutes/episodes later for a plot device.
Unreasonable characters. Y'know, the types that try to do everything themselves, while displaying incredible abilities. Then somebody dies, and they go rogue, beating the crap out of everything in sight. Those people.
Cute, cuddly little animals. Especially when they can become not-so cute or cuddly.
Tournaments. A well done tournament is good, as stated earlier. A poorly done one is just an excuse to introduce more characters.
The whole "Yeah, now I'm the most powerful blah blah in the blah blah!" kind of thing that happens. Not so much because of that specifically, but...
When a series just doesn't end. That, along with the above, leads to more and more powerful characters, eventually leading to...
The GT Principle. The fact that at one point, a character is regarded as the most powerful being in existance, and then, some no-name organization comes out of nowhere, and they have fighters even more powerful than the last godly being. Why do I call this the GT Principle? Because it never makes ****ing sense. They'll even make a character WEAKER so that the fights should be more interesting, then state that (current villain) is MORE powerful than the last villain.

That's all I can think of, at any rate.

Major Blood

03-11-2006, 01:21 AM

The fact that in any anime show. Each major villian they face from the beginning of the series to the end goes from weakest to strongest. This may be pheasable if it was the same enemy all through the series but its always a different enemy. It makes no sense.

kirbydjinn

03-12-2006, 07:16 AM

I hate how they dub anime and cut out all the fights/ violence. Have you seen what they have done to the kirby show?!? It's like 2 idiotic kids and one puff ball go on stupid adventures, have 2 minute fights where the enemy dies in one hit and obviouse plots. All dumped in the idiotic dialoug and stinky dubs.

Bamboozehound

03-16-2006, 08:55 PM

I hate manga-to-anime conversions. It's either good manga, or good anime; it can't be both. Manga is simply more flexable with timing/length for obvious reasons, but if the manga is popular it will be butchered into a series of 23 minute episodes. :/

The sheer amount of time wasted with gawking-crying-shouting-shooting-dust-flying-still-frames in anime that attempts to make up for the difference in mediums is enough to make me hate an anime series that is based on a manga I like.

That, and follow-up series. "Hey, we just killed the devil so let's all go home... WHAT?! There's another one, and he's even more evil than the father of all evil??!?!?!?!?! Thank goodness it didn't show up five minutes earlier!"

Leon-the-Dark-Knight

04-11-2006, 04:35 PM

Majin Darshe

04-12-2006, 08:53 AM

"The Tenchi principle": An awkward young man lives in house with like six hot young girls, but he is afraid of all of them. That gets old fast, which is why I did not watch very much of Tenchi Muyo or its subsequent derivatives. I mean geez, just pick a girl and do your thang already!:rolleyes:

Tenchi and Vandread are the only series to do this. It IS worth noting that Tenchi did "pick" Ryoko in Tenchi Muyo in Love 2, which is the epiloge to the TV series.

The OAVs are still being made, but it looks like he'll pick Ryoko there too.

And "stinky dubs"? God, what are you? 12? What grown man uses the word "stinky"

Fifthfiend

04-12-2006, 10:58 AM

Tenchi and Vandread are the only series to do this.

Evangelion probably counts too.

Also Full Metal Panic.

And "stinky dubs"? God, what are you? 12? What grown man uses the word "stinky"

The same kind of grown man who spends his time arguing about Japanese cartoons?

Kaelus

04-12-2006, 07:37 PM

Tenchi and Vandread are the only series to do this.
And Love Hina, and Sister Princess, and Happy Lesson, and Mahou Sensei Negima, etc... you could say that there's an entire genre for this kind of insanity. o_O~

synkr0nized

04-13-2006, 12:47 PM

It IS worth noting that Tenchi did "pick" Ryoko in Tenchi Muyo in Love 2, which is the epiloge to the TV series.

The movies are not part of official canon. Especially considering how much of the OVA plot is altered or flat-out rejected in them, such as Yosho's past in this movi, for example. Also, which television series? Both the first and second series weave their own versions of the story (though I do like how the first one makes references to the OVA).

Believe me, I feel that he should be picking her over the rest, but the only way to be sure of what he's going to do is to stick with the OVA. Which seems to not really end correctly, but that's a whole other story. He claimed to be making five sections, but it appears he's going to end on the third, which is lame...

Kima Azure

04-13-2006, 09:22 PM

And Love Hina, and Sister Princess, and Happy Lesson, and Mahou Sensei Negima, etc... you could say that there's an entire genre for this kind of insanity. o_O~Yeah, it's called 'harem animé'.

That said, I think I lost a potential reader. Not that it needs to be corrected yet...

Rezero

04-14-2006, 03:14 PM

Know what I hate? When they take all the orchestrated music out when it gets imported to America and replace it with soulless pop and rap crap.

Fifthfiend

04-14-2006, 03:41 PM

Know what I hate? When they take all the orchestrated music out when it gets imported to America and replace it with soulless pop and rap crap.

Oh c'mon, the One Piece theme was catchy!

Hi-oh Hi-oh, oh-oh!

Yeah, it's called 'harem animé'.

Nah, 'harem' sort of implies someone's actually getting laid.

Majin Darshe

04-15-2006, 03:11 PM

The movies are not part of official canon. Especially considering how much of the OVA plot is altered or flat-out rejected in them, such as Yosho's past in this movi, for example. Also, which television series? Both the first and second series weave their own versions of the story (though I do like how the first one makes references to the OVA).

Believe me, I feel that he should be picking her over the rest, but the only way to be sure of what he's going to do is to stick with the OVA. Which seems to not really end correctly, but that's a whole other story. He claimed to be making five sections, but it appears he's going to end on the third, which is lame...

Actually, The second and third Tenchi movies ARE part of the Tenchi Universe TV series cannon (The TV series is a complete remake of the OAV if I need to remind everyone, so it's kind of hard ot say that it ignores elements from the OAV if takes place in it's own seperate universe). It should also be noted that Tenchi Universe and the second and third movies all share the same director/writer. The second movie, Daughter of Darkness, was actually based on a novel side-story and is kind of in a continuity of it's own. And the other TV series, Tenchi in Tokyo (Shin Tenchi Muyo) is also a complete remake...and a rather bad one at that.

And I should rephrase because I misstyped what I said eariler: Tenchi and Vandread are the only GOOD harem shows ever made. I said it wrong, and everyone thought I said Tenchi adn Vandread were the only harem shows period. Sorry for the mixup!

Leon-the-Dark-Knight

04-15-2006, 03:51 PM

I did actually like Vandread, although more for the "galactic war against a mother earth that is harvesting organs from everyone else" than the harem part. If it is, as you say, as good as Vandread I might try watching it again.

SpaceDrake

04-19-2006, 06:32 PM

Add my voice to the pile for "neverending stories". One of the reasons FMA is so awesome is because it was obviously built, from the ground up, to be two seasons long. (Yes, it's based on a still-running manga, but the show was fully crafted practically before they started drawing the anime series.) There's a very smooth narrative curve in FMA, and (nearly) everything feels as though it has been included for a purpose. Combined with good writing and good acting in both versions, and it's a winner.

Contrast it to something like DBZ or Inuyasha... bleugh.

Of course, you can extend that criticism to other media as well... Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek, American comics vs. lots of "short run" manga... having a set end for your story really improves the overall narrative quality.

synkr0nized

04-19-2006, 11:31 PM

Actually, The second and third Tenchi movies ARE part of the Tenchi Universe TV series cannon (The TV series is a complete remake of the OAV if I need to remind everyone, so it's kind of hard ot say that it ignores elements from the OAV if takes place in it's own seperate universe). It should also be noted that Tenchi Universe and the second and third movies all share the same director/writer. The second movie, Daughter of Darkness, was actually based on a novel side-story and is kind of in a continuity of it's own. And the other TV series, Tenchi in Tokyo (Shin Tenchi Muyo) is also a complete remake...and a rather bad one at that.

You misunderstand what I mean by canon (note only one N). The official story, as originally conceived and intended, is told in the OVAs. The movies draw from the television series (both of them, actually) as well as the OVAs in part, thus making them not part of this official plotline -- they are, rather, portions of various retellings for our entertainment. I clearly stated this in my post, and I also stated that they were related to the television seasons.

However, you do well in bringing up that fact that the second movie is even more removed/divergent, as there are a lot of side-plots and alternate tellings within the overall umbrella of Tenchi Muyo!. This does not preclude one from enjoying them, but just that they aren't valid as resources in regards to drawing conclusions about events and characters for application in a different setting/version of the story than the one in which they originate.

Also, that's one fucked up family tree.

Fifthfiend

04-19-2006, 11:49 PM

I'll say for Van Dread that it at least makes the 'harem of hot ladies with whom he is somehow unable/unwilling to score' somewhat believable, up to a point.

I mean if there's anything that would make you not give it up to an entire spacecruiser full of girls who are totally all up on your cock, being raised on a world restricted utterly to males in which it is indoctrinated from birth that 'women' are an utterly irrational force of violent destruction which composes the single and greatest existential threat faced by all of what you know as 'human'-kind would just about do it.

If they only cut out some of the awful 'the purpose of my existence' speeches it'd be pretty okay.

synkr0nized

04-20-2006, 12:06 AM

Fifthfiend

04-20-2006, 12:21 AM

As I recall the original purpose of this thread again...

Just once, I'd like to watch a series and see the two characters obviously interested in one another "get it" without taking twenty-six episodes.*

* Yes, this is a slightly cynical generalization.

Or go through twenty-six episodes and still not get it, necessitating an entire subsequent series to facilitate them going right on not getting it coughfullmetalpaniccough.

Kima Azure

04-20-2006, 07:40 AM

Please, let's try to think of saver topics.

...stupid Z-Saver. Anyway, another gripe (looking at you, Saint Seiya) is the fact that sometimes, the characters have, say, three or four moves... and yet, they only, always, permanently, ever use THE SAME ONE!

Don't you know other moves? Like, say, BEATING THE OTHER GUY UP WITH YOUR FISTS AND FEET, RATHER THAN WITH THE SAME MOVE YOU'VE USED FOR THE LAST FIFTEEN TIMES ON HIM?

Or, at least, try to do different stuff rather than let yourself get all beaten up, and then, due to the power of the Plot, use that move and get an insta-win. (Because everyone knows that, whenever a good guy is at his weakest, he'll automatically win every battle*.)

*Exceptions being scripted battles.

Green_Ogre

04-23-2006, 09:31 AM

Meh, after watching a lot of anime imported here in the USA, I've found a few of these things to be pretty consistant with most anime.

1. Some hero is always trying to save the world
2. (This applies to the main Adult Swim Anime) Most of either the ending or beginning theme songs are mostly japanese in the beginning, and then end in english. (IE, Ghost In Shell, Inuyasha, Full Metal Alchemist)

3. Anime fans are generally pissed off by or don't like english dubs. (I find MOST to be quite good. Especially the ones on Inuyasha and FMA.)

4. The Kiddie-fied anime that they show on saturday mornings, they slash the orchestral music in favor of rock or rap music.

Majin Darshe

04-23-2006, 03:58 PM

You misunderstand what I mean by canon (note only one N). The official story, as originally conceived and intended, is told in the OVAs. The movies draw from the television series (both of them, actually) as well as the OVAs in part, thus making them not part of this official plotline -- they are, rather, portions of various retellings for our entertainment. I clearly stated this in my post, and I also stated that they were related to the television seasons.

However, you do well in bringing up that fact that the second movie is even more removed/divergent, as there are a lot of side-plots and alternate tellings within the overall umbrella of Tenchi Muyo!. This does not preclude one from enjoying them, but just that they aren't valid as resources in regards to drawing conclusions about events and characters for application in a different setting/version of the story than the one in which they originate.

Also, that's one fucked up family tree.

I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying, but you are right. I was just trying to clarify the whole thing for those on this board who may not understand

Donomni

04-24-2006, 12:56 PM

Oh c'mon, the One Piece theme was catchy!

Hi-oh Hi-oh, oh-oh!

Do not, under any circumstances, make me want to kill the general population again.

Fifthfiend

04-24-2006, 01:11 PM

He's the king of the pirates!

He's gonna be king!

Black Sword

04-28-2006, 06:55 PM

Thanks, fifthfiend. Now Donomni is going to end up killing the general population. There goes my dreams of world domination...

Anyway, one gripe I have with anime is anime that just makes no sense from the get go. Pilot Candidate, I am talking to YOU. I mean, sure, it made a vague sort of sense at the start, but as it went on, everything just lost meaning, and you're left wondering what the deuce happened, especially since it got canned.

Kenryoku_Maxis

05-19-2006, 03:14 PM

1 - Recap episodes = NOT NECESSARY

They are necessary when you are only watching 1 episode a week and some Anime series have large plots. And some of the shows that have the largest plots don't even do recap episodes such as Slayers. And these episodes are needed even more when sometimes there's a 2-3 week gap from one episode to the next due to another show having a 1 hour special that overlaps into it (happened to Naruto once) or because a show had to wait a couple of weeks to finish the rest of the episodes which were still being finished (which is what happened to Cowboy Bebop). then there's the reason most companies give to why they made them, because a lot of a shows fandom doesn't start watching the show with episode 1. So they need to know what happened in the previous episodes. That's where a re-cap episode can tell them.

See, we just get all our Anime on DVD in America where we can watch an entire season of a show in a 12 hour sitting straight. So of course it looks strange that they make recap episodes. But if you're in Japan watching the show as it is coming out, you may want a recap after 13 WEEKS. I guarantee you're not going to remember everything and especially if you're watching a Gundam or some kind of heavy plot show, you're going to need a recap to remember stuff from episode 7 that's going to connect to like episode 43 or something random. Heck, even watching it all straight in te preiod of a few days, if the series is something like Gundam, you'll probably need a recap for the same reason.

Oh and uh...stuff I get tired of Anime doing. Hmm...

-Replacing 'character' moments with 'girl stepping out of the shower naked' or 'crazy "bad-ass" fight or "dramatic" scenes that don't really make a character better, just make them look cool for a few seconds'
-Doing in 10 episodes what you could have done in 3 (Naruto, Fishugi Yuugi, Groove Adventure Rave) Good Changes of this mold were Hajime no Ippo and CCS which easily could have been drawn out over hundreds of episodes due to their popularity but thankfully weren't.
-5 girls + 1 guy where all the girls like the guy but he's both a jerk and tries to ignore all of them (Tenchi, Ranma, half the Anime from 2002 on) Love Hina was a good change from this mold. Just because he did like two of the girls and he actually showed reaction to the other girls who liked him.
-Main Girl who is a Tomboy and runs the show + Main Guy who like each other but never advance farther with it than they did in the first 1-3 episodes (More Anime than I can count) Slayers did it well and a lot of shows in the mid-90s did it making it funny....but its just being repeated over and over and over again, especially in anything GONZO makes (GateKeeers and Full Metal Panic as two obvious examples). And since they make a ton of shows a year, its getting STALE.

And of course stuff like ending a series halfway through (GTO, Star Ocean EX, Kare Kano) or not making sequels when it feels like they really needed to (Slayers, Angelic Layer, Hajime no Ippo) but these things aren't really always the fault of the creators, unlike the examples above which are straight problems with the story and characters.

Majin Darshe

05-20-2006, 02:14 PM

^I believe they WEREactually planning to do a 4th season of Slayers called "Slayers Again", which would follow the last story arc of the novels. But apparently they couldn't get it off the ground with Megumi Hayashibara becoming pregnant and going into semi-retirement. Oh well...

I series ending halfway or being cancelled has always been an annoying peeve of mine, which is why I normally implore people to read the manga instead. There are only TWO series I know of who can get away with this: 12 Kingdoms and Giant Robo

And I also agree about CCS, probably one of the best "long-hand" magical girl series, hell anime series in general ever. Considering that the manga was only 12 volumes, and they were able to keep the quality of the story, characters, and animation so consistantly good for so long is a real triumph. Especially the animation, when you consider the fact that there is very little actually stock footage, and the fact that Sakura (and most of the other cast) change outfits almost every episode.

2. (This applies to the main Adult Swim Anime) Most of either the ending or beginning theme songs are mostly japanese in the beginning, and then end in english. (IE, Ghost In Shell, Inuyasha, Full Metal Alchemist)

Um....huh? What the heck are you talking about. How is this a problem if some songs are sung in differant language? Hell, neither Inuyasha or FMA have any english songsthat appear on their Adult Swim runs, and several of Ghost in the Shell's are actually in RUSSIAN.

Kenryoku_Maxis

05-20-2006, 07:51 PM

Fifthfiend

05-20-2006, 08:03 PM

-Main Girl who is a Tomboy and runs the show + Main Guy who like each other but never advance farther with it than they did in the first 1-3 episodes (More Anime than I can count) Slayers did it well and a lot of shows in the mid-90s did it making it funny....but its just being repeated over and over and over again, especially in anything GONZO makes (GateKeeers and Full Metal Panic as two obvious examples). And since they make a ton of shows a year, its getting STALE.

It'd be okay if the guy and the girl at some point actually fuckin' got together.

I mean it's believable up to a point, but past that, you're just sitting their being like this is fuckin' stupid, just have them get together.

Kenryoku_Maxis

05-20-2006, 08:08 PM

It'd be okay if the guy and the girl at some point actually fuckin' got together.

I mean it's believable up to a point, but past that, you're just sitting their being like this is fuckin' stupid, just have them get together.

Exactly. Which usually those shows don't do until the last episode if at all.

Slayers it was great! Ranma was kinda funny. Love Hina did it ok. GateKeppers...ok its getting kinda old...Full Metal Panic OK ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!

Fifthfiend

05-20-2006, 08:14 PM

Exactly. Which usually those shows don't do until the last episode if at all.

Slayers it was great! Ranma was kinda funny. Love Hina did it ok. GateKeppers...ok its getting kinda old...Full Metal Panic OK ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!!

I mean hell, if they reach the last episode and then they get together, at least that's something.

Full Metal Panic, I mean, they had so much them-not-ever-goddamn-getting-together to fit in that they had to start a whole new goddamn series to have them not get together in.

Kenryoku_Maxis

05-20-2006, 08:51 PM

I mean hell, if they reach the last episode and then they get together, at least that's something.

Full Metal Panic, I mean, they had so much them-not-ever-goddamn-getting-together to fit in that they had to start a whole new goddamn series to have them not get together in.

And now to annoy us even more, they're making an OAV with Tessa as the focus, just to make the show go on even longer. And since we all knew Tessa wasn't going to be anything in the plot back in episode 3 of the first season, why are they still trying to keep up this stupid crappy love triangle!

I really think these types of shows screw themselves because they make it so obvious who the 'chosen girl' is and so if you end up liking the other girl, it sucks for you... And I like Tessa both as a character and over Kagome as who Sosuke should pick...so I just gave up on Full Metal Panic a long time ago. Although I want to see the OAV cuz well, its about Tesstarosa.:D

But yeah anyway, since this formula was created way back in the early 80s and pretty much came together in the show Kimagure Orange Road (1986), they need to let it die unless they can really revolutionize it. It was nice back then but now 25 years later, its really just hurting all these shows who try to do a similar character setup but can't do it as good as shows that came out 10-20 years before did....

synkr0nized

05-22-2006, 06:47 AM

I really think these types of shows screw themselves because they make it so obvious who the 'chosen girl' is and so if you end up liking the other girl, it sucks for you... And I like Tessa both as a character and over Kagome as who Sosuke should pick...so I just gave up on Full Metal Panic a long time ago. Although I want to see the OAV cuz well, its about Tesstarosa.:D

Whoa, did you just create a crossover? That's a good idea. Sosuke gets Kagome, and Inu Yasha will take Chidori. The fans get Tessa.

Kima Azure

05-22-2006, 07:47 AM

I wonder what you people would say of my ideas...

popularnerd

05-22-2006, 10:11 AM

Not enough mecha.

And emo little kids who somehow have to pilot the mechs. Why don't furturistic militaries use full grown adults for their mechs?

Squishy Cheeks

05-22-2006, 10:21 AM

Not enough mecha.

And emo little kids who somehow have to pilot the mechs. Why don't furturistic militaries use full grown adults for their mechs?

Because we all know the emo kids trained hard by playing mind enhancing videogames since birth and the adults are just not hip enough to be that Elite, or should I say "l33t"

Savage Thinking

05-22-2006, 01:15 PM

One thing that irks me is that how a lot of the main characters are basically the same. What I mean is, like in Naruto, or InuYasha, One Piece, etc... The main character is stubborn and really doesn't give a shit what anyone else says. Also, when the main character just will not do anything if they're hungry (DBZ, One Piece).

What really makes me mad is when there's a serious conversation going on, but then you hear someone's stomach rumble from being hungry. Basically what I'm saying, is that when something of somewhat interest is happening, and then some asinine little incident causes them to stop what they're doing and just ruins the "mo-jo".

Another thing, is when the main characters are downright poor (Cowboy Bebop!)... At first, I found it interesting, but after seeing more anime (InuYasha, Samurai Champloo, One Piece, etc...) using this, it just gets really cliche for me. Even when an something happens to them and they manage to get a shit load of money, something has to happen that they end up flat broke. Like they gotta pay for repairs of all the destruction that happened, it's stolen, etc.... I just couldn't help myself from bashing on Cowboy Bebop.

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I finally got to post no. 50 (not including off-topic)! Well, it took forever, but I thought it was worth a special mention. Also.... Uh.... 4Kids is the worst dubbing company in the history of exsitance. Proof being One Piece, Yu-Gi-Oh, and so forth...

Kenryoku_Maxis

05-22-2006, 07:13 PM

And emo little kids who somehow have to pilot the mechs. Why don't furturistic militaries use full grown adults for their mechs?

Cuz Mecha shows are aimed at the teenage market. So they have teenagers pilot the mechs. Only exceptions are stuff like Eva or Mecha shows obviously aimed at the child market.

But also, eventhough something like Escaflowne has a teenager aged person piloting the main mecha, they give it a better explination than most other mecha shows as to why a teenager is (cuz his 50+ year old father was murdered and he was the only survivor of his line). And a lot of the other people in that show were over the age of 20 piloting the other Mechs.

And I believe Macross had a lot of pilots over 20 in its shows. Although those are only half mecha.

Whoa, did you just create a crossover? That's a good idea. Sosuke gets Kagome, and Inu Yasha will take Chidori. The fans get Tessa.

Lol, whatever her name is! It starts with a K I believe. But that shows just how much I didn't care about her character. She's like Naru buth without being as hot and having a few good moments where she actually connects with her male co-star. Which, speaking of which, there's a lot of similarities between FUll Metal Panics love triange (if you can call it that) and Love Hinas. If you take out the Mecha and sort of interesting story, Full Metal Panic would just be another of the billion Love Hina clones we've been seeing since about 2002 and on. All you have is different extremes in character, but they all fit their respective molds when it comes to how they interact with each other. Keitaro is Sosuke, Chidori is Naru and Tessa is Mutsumi. And hmmm....I liked Mutsumi the best in Love Hina and like Tessa the best in FMP....COINCIDENCE?! [/sarcasm]

One thing that irks me is that how a lot of the main characters are basically the same. What I mean is, like in Naruto, or InuYasha, One Piece, etc... The main character is stubborn and really doesn't give a shit what anyone else says. Also, when the main character just will not do anything if they're hungry (DBZ, One Piece).

What really makes me mad is when there's a serious conversation going on, but then you hear someone's stomach rumble from being hungry. Basically what I'm saying, is that when something of somewhat interest is happening, and then some asinine little incident causes them to stop what they're doing and just ruins the "mo-jo".

Another thing, is when the main characters are downright poor (Cowboy Bebop!)... At first, I found it interesting, but after seeing more anime (InuYasha, Samurai Champloo, One Piece, etc...) using this, it just gets really cliche for me. Even when an something happens to them and they manage to get a shit load of money, something has to happen that they end up flat broke. Like they gotta pay for repairs of all the destruction that happened, it's stolen, etc.... I just couldn't help myself from bashing on Cowboy Bebop.

EDIT: On an unrelated note, I finally got to post no. 50 (not including off-topic)! Well, it took forever, but I thought it was worth a special mention. Also.... Uh.... 4Kids is the worst dubbing company in the history of exsitance. Proof being One Piece, Yu-Gi-Oh, and so forth...

Actually, a lot of the things you mention are things multiple types of animation or even sometimes live action shows in America do because well....they lack creativity or good writing. I've seen a lot of Disney stuff do the stomach growling. And it gets really annoying when a live action show in America replaces trying to think of a good setting or senario for a character to be in with them being poor or locked in a bad life they can't get out of and have to work their way out of it (Rocky). Or one of my least favorite, when you watch a movie and a character is the star, but everyone hates him and/or doesn't think he can be what he wants to be because of his social status or lifestyle and OMG HE MADE THE BIG BASKET TO WIN THE COLLEGE BASKETBALL CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! *Raises star on teams shoulders and parades them around with sappy James Horner victory music, fade to credits*

popularnerd

05-22-2006, 07:21 PM

FMP! had pretty good mech designs.

It wasn't like say...Gundam Seed Destiny where Infinity Strike Freedom or whatever piloted by Kira 'Jesus' Yamato can get hit with a battleship cannon and survive without a scratch.

No, in FMP! and it's sequels, it treated the mechs as what they were, vertical armor. Case in point, in the first episode of TSR, the Arbalest get's hit in the back and suffers actual damage. Though I wonder why it's fire control is in the back.

Sesshoumaru

05-29-2006, 02:19 PM

Actually, it was the Akatsuki that got hit by the battleship cannon, and it survived 'cause it has super reflecto armor (not much better, I'll admit). That reminds me of a GSD specific gripe, you just can't shake the feeling that the whole series is just an excuse to roll out more gundams (possibly for sales revenue of models).

Kenryoku_Maxis

05-29-2006, 03:37 PM

That reminds me of a GSD specific gripe, you just can't shake the feeling that the whole series is just an excuse to roll out more gundams (possibly for sales revenue of models).

Well, since the first Gundam series was made to help sell the Gundam toys...its not surprising a lot of others might not do the same thing.

Sesshoumaru

07-03-2006, 12:57 AM

I got another one: when a show that used to be awesome decides to take a 2+ year break of meaningless filler (and yes, I'm talking about Naruto).

Kenryoku_Maxis

07-03-2006, 03:21 AM

I got another one: when a show that used to be awesome decides to take a 2+ year break of meaningless filler (and yes, I'm talking about Naruto).

As much as I don't like the Naruto filler either...I have to say one thing. Without it, the show might very well have never come back on the air.

Hajime no Ippo, one of the best shows I have ever seen and one that was also serialized in Shounen Jump, ended at episode 70 (and 2 OAV episodes). But I would have GLADLY put up with 2 years of horrible fillers if they would have at the end of that returned and made more of the amazing show they did before.

So, while Naruto isn't omg the best show ever, I understand why they did the fillers. No excuse, but understandable.

Eltargrim

07-04-2006, 01:56 AM

Um....huh? What the heck are you talking about. How is this a problem if some songs are sung in differant language? Hell, neither Inuyasha or FMA have any english songsthat appear on their Adult Swim runs, and several of Ghost in the Shell's are actually in RUSSIAN.

Actually, both Ghost in the Shell seasons only have one OP and ED (Per season, that is). SAC has Inner Universe, which is primarily Russian, with touches of English and I believe Italian, although I could be wrong. Rise, for 2nd GiG, is just Russian/English hybrid. Their EDs, though, straight english.

My gripe about anime? More about literature in general. Deux Ex Machina endings, or endings that make no fucking sense.

Kenryoku_Maxis

07-04-2006, 03:09 AM

Actually, both Ghost in the Shell seasons only have one OP and ED (Per season, that is). SAC has Inner Universe, which is primarily Russian, with touches of English and I believe Italian, although I could be wrong. Rise, for 2nd GiG, is just Russian/English hybrid. Their EDs, though, straight english.

My gripe about anime? More about literature in general. Deux Ex Machina endings, or endings that make no fucking sense.

Watch some other shows....there's pleanty that have endings that conclude the show and make sense. CCS, Slayers, Kenshin, Sailor Moon, etc etc

Chipper173

07-04-2006, 09:31 AM

The fans, mostly.
You are absolutely fucking right. I'd be more into anime if the fans wern't such nutjobs.

Not to say that gaming doesn't have it's share of nutjobs, too. They're just my kind of nutjobs.

Eltargrim

07-04-2006, 12:06 PM

Watch some other shows....there's pleanty that have endings that conclude the show and make sense. CCS, Slayers, Kenshin, Sailor Moon, etc etc

And Haruhi. Sweet, sweet Haruhi. Too bad it's over now :(

Sesshoumaru

07-04-2006, 03:14 PM

I can stand endings that don't really make sense, what I can't stand are endings that aren't actually endings (what basically amounts to "and they had many adventures after this and blah blah blah...........). Although to be fair, most of those are because low ratings force them to cancel the show.

Kenryoku_Maxis

07-04-2006, 04:28 PM

And Haruhi. Sweet, sweet Haruhi. Too bad it's over now

Well, as much as I liked its ending...they have left it open for possibly more. Part of me wants more and part of me wants it to be the end. But really, there is more they can do and if you take the 'last' episode of the show chronologically, they left the show totally open to more 'adventures'. They also never explained the cat, half of Mikuru's stuff and a few other loose ends.

I can stand endings that don't really make sense, what I can't stand are endings that aren't actually endings (what basically amounts to "and they had many adventures after this and blah blah blah...........). Although to be fair, most of those are because low ratings force them to cancel the show.

I have to laugh that you're complaining about endings...but have an Inu Yasha avatar. -_-